For the new thing, can collect them here. Please don’t expect things to change just because you post something.
Post Separator “Divider 2 (line)” the line should be more prominent (stronger stroke and/or across the entire post).
The day before yesterday at 6.50pm
Pet peeve of mine for the whole damn web. Could we have the date appear instead? Or at the very least, “two days ago”?
Also, I don’t see a “quote” feature, and the italics I did use do not look italicized at all, at least in the original posting box.
Also, I don’t see a “quote”
You have set the Mid Century Modern style, which uses Univers for body text, and that has horrific italics, so I changed it to a colour for emphasis. All the other ones have italics.
The quote feature is the button on the editor with a pair of inverted commas to the top left of a bunch of text, i.e. to the right of numbered list.
Maybe I’m just not seeing it but how do you get back to the list of threads underneath a board after clicking into a thread? I can see how to get back to Site New Answers and the home page, but what if I’m looking at a thread on ILE and I want to go back to the list of threads tagged to that board? Is that direct navigation path no longer there or am I blind?
Or is it just the back button on the browser?
Well that or the board link, Dan.
i.e. Keith’s Board on this one.
Thought it worth noting: email for log in is case sensitive. Most keyboards autocapatilise the first word in a box. Took me a while to figure out why I couldn’t log in
Ah right, thank you. I had not noticed. I will sort.
Well that or the board link, Dan.
Huh, I tried to click that and it didn’t seem to do anything. I’ll chalk that up to user error.
Someone else got to the case-sensitive email, which is a pain when you’re on a device that wants to capitalize everything
Are the board shortcuts in the settings working for other people? They don’t seem to work for me.
Got to say, despite being a change-hater my feelings are generally positive about most of the features over here—will have more considered feedback when I’ve got used to it, for now I’m just poking at things.
I guess the board shortcut thing is sort of similar to DJP’s issue? I thought I would solve it with the settings but it doesn’t seem to work.
I’m going back and forth between the browser and Zing and it seems like embedded threads take you out of Zing and into a browser window. I’ll do a little more fiddling to confirm.
Yeah. Only seeing this from a phone browser and have some real worries re: reactions and text size. But otherwise, cosign e.mily overall positive impression
Also missing who updated a thread in the landing page. More important than who posted imo, but please find a way to keep both!
I haven’t done much on phone browser stuff, because of Zing, so I would expect it will be a bit ropey at that size at the moment anyway.
Thanks, Emily... I can see a board shortcut in the menu okay. Happy to fix, but not sure what the issue is.
Actually let me be clearer about what I’m talking about; I don’t see a link back to the board when reading a thread on the browser. I see the icons across the top that can navigate me back to the board list or recent activity but I don’t see a direct link from here to Keith’s Board. If I click Bugs, Comments etc link, it reloads this thread.
Yes, it’s not in the menu, I mean above the thread title, e.g. “Bugs, Comments Etc.” in this case. What Emily’s talking about is that you can go in settings and pick boards you do want in the actual menu, and they’ll show left of Recent Activity.
(In Zing, the app’s back button is context sensitive, so it will go back to either Recent Activity or the thread’s parent board based on where I opened the thread from)
Oh do you mean in Zing?
Also, if you’re in a wide enough browser, there’s a breadcrumb trail on the left, but it does get removed if there’s not enough room on the screen.
That is what’s happening. On my iPhone, the board name is being removed from the display if the phone is in portrait orientation. In landscape orientation, I can see the board name.
So when I go into settings and click a board to add as a shortcut, it just zooms me up to the top of the page, then when I scroll down the box remains unticked and no shortcut added. Could be my old set-up again, but wanted to know if it was doing it to anyone else!
I am seeing ‘Keith’s Board’ etc at the top of threads (and am also on a laptop not phone), so not the same issue as DJP in fact.
That is weird, Emily—don’t know what it is at the moment and am off to Glasgow for a while so will take a look later. Sorry about that.
Dan, right, I get you now—it’s easily fixable, the context is I didn’t expect people to be using the website in a mobile browser—I expected them to be using Zing, so I did the kind of minimum to make it work there. I will sort it when back from Glasgow.
And Emily, yeah it’s supposed to have a little button on the menu for each board you have chosen to be on the menu.
Thanks Keith, no rush at all.
The quote feature is the button on the editor with a pair of inverted commas to the top left of a bunch of text, i.e. to the right of numbered list.
Gotcha.
I chose Default (Swiss) for Typography, which works on the main pages and user names, but not for the post text (or here in this editor), which is a serif. Maybe by design?
OH. It’s that guy. In the icon menu, I thought it was Reginald Van Gleason III trying to fight me.
Hmm.
Image hosters like imgbb.com or imgur don’t make it easy to grab the specific .png URL of an image. Not a complaint about the new pop-up window, but more of a “just sayin’.”
PJ Harvey
God bless the USA
The bolding of capital letters in Book font is, uh, interesting.
VERY interesting.
Reported you for this
Hmm ok replying doesn’t really do what I expected
Not what you EXPECTED or not what you EXPECTED?
(First one is just all-caps. Second one is all-caps with the bolding.)
Oh, the new posts bounce. Like a newspaper hitting the front porch.
If the new format really has 14,500 lines of code, I’d bet that we can get that under 13,500 by the end of the week!
Also not a fan of the auto-break that happens on long words at the end of lines.
First, huge thanks for all the work you’ve out into this.
One recommendation for a UI improvement: on mobile, can the username under posts be distinguished (e.g. different colour or font size) from the post text—I keep reading usernames as if it were part of the post. Thanks!
The day before yesterday at 6.50pm
Pet peeve of mine for the whole damn web. Could we have the date appear instead? Or at the very least, “two days ago”?
Also, I don’t see a “quote” feature, and the italics I did use do not look italicized at all, at least in the original posting box.
also a supporter of having a time/date appear instead
It can even be 6 August, 21:01, or however you write it in metric.
it’s probably like Aug 6 stone kilograms or something
i like the “work” mode in the settings! i honestly didn’t realize i’d selected it and was confused why everything was grayscale (my mac is dying and figured it might be related). but it’s a good option for those browse at work, seems like a good new feature thanks
The date thing. Sorry, I’m a bit confused. Are you saying you want it to display a local date, as in your time, wherever you are in the world as a date and time, rather than some English representation of a relative time?
I’m confused because you kind of mention both, and also I’d have thought the date time is by far and away the most common around the internet.
I’m sure I can do it, I just need to be sure what you’re looking for.
Are you saying you want it to display a local date, as in your time, wherever you are in the world as a date and time, rather than some English representation of a relative time?
Yes. It can even be GMT.
I can’t remember what the day before yesterday was, but “Tuesday” would spell everything out.
Okay. The I’ll add it to the list, although please bear with me as, as you might imagine, the list is growing.
I can’t find where someone mentioned it, but there were two issues with usernames and passwords, case sensitivity and Apple’s password manager not dealing with it well... I’ve sorted the former and tried to sort the latter, although that stuff is kind of voodoo (because their browsers guess at stuff), but you can let me know if it’s made a difference or not.
Also Dan, I put the board back on the mobile view.
Currently, the only way to determine if a post has been edited is to click on it, correct?
Yes, I thought it would be too intrusive to have some kind of notifier, given 99% of edits are likely to be just typos.
No “last updated by” or am I missing it
Someone else mentioned that, (7, 4) and I’m not sure what they mean... I think it’s showing basically the same info it used to, but I must be missing something. Whereabouts are you meaning?
I’m on mobile & this is what I see on the SNA equivalent:
Recently updated threads |
|---|
KB  Started yesterday at 2:22 pm by Keith 58 posts. |
ILE Started the day before yesterday at 1:56 pm by pfunkboy of the Sandbox 41 posts, two new since you last read. |
ILM  Started yesterday at 1:15 pm by peas, ma’am (rusty flathead screwdriver) 2 posts. |
So it’s showing started by (poster) at (time) but not updated by (poster) at (time)
Ah on mobile... Right yes, that makes sense, it does hide a bunch of stuff, but basically so there’s enough space. Again, that’s not a trivial fix, because it’s basically removing the second column from the table that’s shown on a larger browser, so afraid I can’t sort that in short order. I will consider it along with the other suggestions that are in the same space. They are ordered by most recently updated though.
Worth reiterating, I assumed people on mobile would be using Zing, so haven’t done loads of tweaking there...
The ‘unfollow’ button should now not be showing for non-admin. It wouldn’t have worked anyway if you’re not an admin, but the button shouldn’t have been there.
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Larry, you want to insert them either with the little paperclip icon in the menu, or just post the URLs... Don’t bother with the BBcode stuff.
Small thing here, but I just noticed that, in Dark Mode, the Giovanni Typeface doesn’t display the board names on the home page.
Also Dan, I put the board back on the mobile view.I noticed, thanks!
Right you are. I suspect it was all things in dark mode, so hopefully works now.
TBH dark mode was quite late-breaking and is quite hard, mainly because there are so many bits of the site, I forget what they all are in order to check them all, so feel free to let me know if you see any other issues.
And you caught another one there to do with editing posts with replies in them. Cheers.
Just popping in to say that the board selection settings seem to work for me today, so now I have the most important boards up top, excellente.
One question: is there a ‘my recent posts’ function like there is on the current site? Couldn’t quite remember if I’d posted about board selection in this thread or another one and would’ve been handy to locate it faster that way. Honestly not actually that bothered if there isn’t one and can’t be one, but wondering if there is and I just missed it...
Yes, on the search page.
Awesome, thank you!
This looks so much better on mobile browser with the username below the post, than on desktop browser with the username to the left of the post.
No bother! Glad the other thing works too.
I kind of cringe even making this suggestion, but would you consider making the black background in dark mode more of a dark grey? The high contrast isn’t as chill on my eyes as dark modes that are less contrasty. This is why I’d some kind of love color themes, but if that’s even possible maybe it’s something to play with down the road...
Yeah, I think that’s fine. Just bear with me, might take a bit of time, as Dark Mode is a massive pain in the arse to get right. I’d love to believe it’s me just changing one variable, and it probably should be, but it probably isn’t!
The front page is only spottily updating, which is to say I have looked at (and updated, and unbookmarked and re-bookmarked) the “The Future of ILx” thread and the recent activity insists there is a new post since my last visit.
Yeah it’s gone now of course.
That is odd... Have to go right now, but I’ll keep an eye out.
Hmm yeah that happened again with this one after you updated it, I bookmarked but it still showed up.
Again disappeared when I posted.
Is it because you didn’t click on the “you’ve read up to here”? I think you need to do that if you don’t make a new post.
Nope, clicked on that and the bookmark button. Didn’t even go away when I emojied up your message.
Re: poll results visualisations. I’ve set mine to bar chart as that’s the simplest graphic imo, but it still seems really big to me—is there any way to make the display size smaller? I suspect a lot of people won’t like the graphics at all, so maybe even have a “just text” option for those users? I like it but just want it to be a bit more minimal/take up less screen space.
Noticed that clicking on “Next Page” of a long thread (such as this one) takes me to the first post of the next page. That makes sense.
But clicking on “Previous Page” takes me to the final post of the previous page. In a continuous way, I get that — it’s the most recent post before the page I was just on. However, it should go to the top of the previous page.
If I’m reading a book and the author mentions something that happened on previous page, I’m not going to go back to to that page and start scanning from the bottom up.
On this thread, the disable chat button is messing with the layout of the board and thread title:
Here is a list of musicians. I want you to rank them in order of “I still dig this person” but leave at least one out.
I don’t know if you can see it, Keith, but it’s reproducible by starting a poll thread
Can I post a screenshot? Let’s see…
Let’s see if that works
xpost with current ilx, but i made this suggestion regarding navigating thread pages and stet asked me to post it here:
and also, a quick suggestion—if there isn’t already one, a keyboard shortcut to load the next/previous page of results would be helpful. would love to be on the keyboard more than the mouse
The thing I was experiencing with the persistent notification has stopped BTW.
Oh, no it hasn’t!
Nah, I get it too, Tim. Sometimes clicking you’ve read up to here and sometimes it doesn’t.
Just writing to post that I’m trying it out on mobile now, and it is smooth like butter.
I had a bunch of likes and concerns that I posted in the running thread on the main site, but it’s pretty deeply buried in the discussion on that thread, so I’m just going to repost it here, where they will be more relevant. Nothing major or impassioned, regarding the suggestions, either. I really appreciate the work that you’ve put into this Keith, and overall I’ve been really excited since PFunkboy announced this.
peace, man at 7:27 6 Aug 26
I’m putting my feedback in list form. This is not comprehensive—just a few things that have jumped out for me over the past day. Might come back with more, in time.
Likes
New poll fun
Watch Party feature
Mute/Unmute User (Ooo! Who should I mute first?)
Saved posts
Post editing
New formatting options (R.I.P. bbcode—you were a good code)
Suggestions
Recent Activity should be named Site New Answers
New Threads/Recent Activity would be easier to read on separate pages
Reactions—like most, not in favor. Seems out of character with the culture.
Report – the new “Reason” box would mark a huge change in the FP system. I’m not saying this is bad, but as a former mod, I’m just thinking about having to deal with it on the backend. Like, not only do you have the headache of looking at every meanspirited/offensive post that has been flagged, but then the users doing the flagging get a chance to offer a free-text explanation to the mods. It’s just that sometimes, the users who are doing the flagging are being assholes themselves. This could give them another avenue to express their assholery, but specifically towards the mods, who are already beleaguered. (Adding that this is probably an issue for the actual current mods to sort out, if they want to)
Favicon looks very similar to the Home Depot favicon, so if I’m browsing ilx while comparing prices on bandsaws, I might get confused. :)
Re: poll results visualisations. I’ve set mine to bar chart as that’s the simplest graphic imo, but it still seems really big to me—is there any way to make the display size smaller? I suspect a lot of people won’t like the graphics at all, so maybe even have a “just text” option for those users? I like it but just want it to be a bit more minimal/take up less screen space.
Happy to consider a ‘just text’ option if people want that.
Thank you very much for your considered views.
Site new answers: I know people are now used to it, but I do remember when a list of people called me a **** for calling it that back then! I think recent activity is more obvious to someone who isn’t used to it—answers on its own is an odd vestige of the original Greenspun design—most threads are not questions and answers... HOWEVER, that’s just my view, the more practical thing is just room on the menu... I have done loads of work just trying to neatly fit the stuff on that top menu without it spilling over on to the next line, which is both ugly and takes up too much room on mobile devices
Quite a few people have mentioned the new threads thing, so I will add that to the list
Reactions have clearly generated a strong ‘reaction’ from some. Some criticisms I think are fair and some seem like catastrophising, but I have heard the points
Providing a reason is a legal requirement, so I’m afraid it’s not really a question of whether we like it or not
I’m afraid I don’t even know who Home Depot are. I didn’t copy it!
For Flickr photos, you just post the URL of the Flickr page. Yes that’s not ideal, Dan. I’ll sort it.
Okay, hopefully sorted.
It’s definitely nothing to do with “You’ve read up to here”. On a thread you’ve bookmarked, clicking update or remove will make it go away, unless something is broken, although I can’t see any issues with it at the moment...
I will keep my eyes open.
FYI clicking read up to here (or the similar bookmark message) just makes it disappear from the screen, nothing more, nothing less. Just because it might be getting in the way of an image you’ve expanded.
Noticed that clicking on “Next Page” of a long thread (such as this one) takes me to the first post of the next page. That makes sense.
But clicking on “Previous Page” takes me to the final post of the previous page. In a continuous way, I get that — it’s the most recent post before the page I was just on. However, it should go to the top of the previous page.
If I’m reading a book and the author…
Not sure I agree with this, PP. You never read a book backwards, but you might read a thread backwards, although it’s probably unlikely . It seems to me if you are going backwards, and you’re reading e.g. message 101, then the next message you want to read is message 100, not message 50.
That said, it’s an unusual use case—if loads of people agree with you then fine, I’ll change it.
xpost with current ilx, but i made this suggestion regarding navigating thread pages and stet asked me to post it here:
and also, a quick suggestion—if there isn’t already one, a keyboard shortcut to load the next/previous page of results would be helpful. would love to be on the keyboard more than the mouse
Sure, although what results do you mean? Search results? Keyboard stuff can be tricky because you need to not be e.g. focussed on an editor and the operating system takes control of a lot of keys, so as long as there are keys available I don’t mind doing this, but please let me know what results you’re meaning...
Getting some rather slow page loads today, it seems to be hanging on “Waiting for use.typekit.com”
That sounds like Adobe fonts... It should give up and just go with shitty fonts, but I’ve found whilst that does happen once in a blue moon, it’s not very often.
On current ILX I can see the titles of ~30 recently updated threads at a time when viewing a board or Site New Answers. On here I can see 6 at a time, which makes it a bit harder to navigate.
I understand it may be a PITA, but in an ideal world it would be great to have a “hide” button for the New Threads column — not another option on the preferences page, but a hide/show toggle on the column itself.
Could we put adding reactions to a vote? Maybe by e-mail like the year-end polls?
I really understand a lot of the negative feedback around layout... I think at a minimum it might be a good idea to consider a layout flag that simplifies things significantly (no “you’re read up to here” arrow, simple text only UI similar to the old site, etc). Part of the reason I love the OG site is it’s quite “text only” (I have the images/embeds turned OFF to really hammer this home). Also can a text only poll visualizer option exist too to support this?
UI animations can be slick, but what I’ve seen so far isn’t exactly super “useful” over time when they aren’t “useful” they get more annoying.
I do like the live updating though! very nice, especially while typing.
And a question: if/when this is replacing the OG site, will it pull off the archival data? Can we use the new search to find things from the old site? And will the old site still coexist in some fashion or will it be fully deprecated?
Is there any appetite for running some polls on the old site to take temperature on where everyone stands with certain significant features like reactions, layout, etc?
Edit: testing editing! noice
Edit: 2nd edit.
I mean, it does say “Previous Page,” not “Previous Post”.
You and I probably pronounce the word “tomato” differently too.
Not sure I agree with this, PP. You never read a book backwards, but you might read a thread backwards, although it’s probably unlikely . It seems to me if you are going backwards, and you’re reading e.g. message 101, then the next message you want to read is message 100, not message 50.
Hmm. How did you get the “Pleasant Plains said:” tag on your quote of my post?
And ha, this might be counter to all of the “too much excitement” feedback you’ve recieved, but would there be a way for me to tag someone on a post, like @Keith, check this out!
do we have to now post feedback here to get any sort of response? there’s a lot of feedback in the mainsite ile thread (amongst all the arguing about the process) that it would be good to see some sort of response to
i’ll also reiterate my main point from there:
it would be very helpful if there could be a post (probably ideally in a new thread) going through all the changes & new features, explaining what the thinking behind them is, and broadly giving some idea of how feedback is intended to be incorporated? like there may be good reasons behind some of the more initially disagreeable decisions, or maybe not, but it’s much easier to provide useful feedback if we understand where you’re coming from
Whether “catastrophizing” or not, people don’t want the reactions. Period. If this pretty widely held consensus opinion gets ignored, then what’s the point of giving any feedback on anything else? Asking in all seriousness.
The site does look much better on mobile fwiw, except the reactions ;)
The good: typeography, dark mode, live updates, starring of comments, personal account management functioning properly, and wysiwyg editor (finally!). Genuine quality of life improvements. Love the editing functionality now that I’ve tried it out (and feel the 5 min window is “fine”—it’s similar to Reddit, you can edit a comment before it’s marked with a * for a few mins, i.e. ninja editing, but this still exposes the history)
The meh: the visual layout of a thread—not a big fan of the arrow demarcating where you’ve been caught up... that can be expressed MUCH more concisely and elegantly. Animations are not exactly “useful”, and feel superfluous and a bit annoying, almost like “hey I can do this in JS+CSS, cool!” rather than thinking “just because I can, should I?. At a min, at least allow them to be turned off. And yeah, the way posts are split make it hard to read. We need horizontal lines between posts.
The bad: threads are very inefficient with screen space. The margins and whitespace is genuinely not good when zooming out and it forces a certain view of a thread. Multi column layout of posts in boards is bad—it’s genuinely hard to read different post titles and determine what I actually want to dive into next. The new posts on the right is not useful as a default view. Yeah reactions/emojis are bad, and I think one of the things that no one’s really brought up yet is that they are cheesy, kiss of death here haha. I think it will genuinely stifle discussion and discourage certain people from posting.
Requests:
Tagging/@ing—maybe this is not popular but I’d appreciate this (and maybe it can be an ”opt in“ feature so you won’t be notified by default).
Have different filters/views of threads in a board, like tabs or something that show ”new“, ”last updated“, etc (i.e. how reddit categorizes things).
If there is to be ANY ”reaction“ feature it should focus on this board’s use of ”OTM“ or ”OTMFM/OTFM“. It’s literally the only real means of a ”reaction“ used here.
when typing, lock the wysiwig menu as you scroll, having to scroll to the top of the message to hit ”bold“ is annoying, yes I can use a key combo but still.
Suggestion for a ”General Rule“: Focus on the old board’s tenets of ”simplicity“, and ”focus on discourse“. Celebrate its cultural and design uniqueness and idiosyncrasies! Graphics, charts, animations, these are niche features, honestly—any feature not facilitating a great discussion or reading experience is honestly going to hurt the culture here, because that’s what everything flows around with the existing site. Its limits and ”oldness“ actually facilitate unique discourse. It should be celebrated! Make the defaults simple and closer to the old board. Make features ”opt in“ rather than ”opt out“. If enough existing users ”opt in“, only then consider flipping it on as a default experience. Defining some ILX ”tenets“ would be good, feels like the new site is just kind of a bunch of improv and experimentation for experimentation’s sake.
Any appetite in running polls on the old site for certain features? Does that give the lurkers too much of a say?
stet/Keith, if you are not reading this I’ll post in the new board too, as I have already for some of the things.
Edit: I posted this on the old site too, but copying here for extra visibility
a thought on polls, from another thread, gonna see how it looks if i just link to my post:
thought on polls: why have an end date? for the ones like this where you see the results before you vote, and where you can change your vote afterward. would rather just have it be open! should change over time. like, neil fucking young. i’m gonna do this today and in 20 years i’ll do it again (and the on the beach title track is still gonna be what i have to return to)
also side note but it’s interesting about what makes people (including me!) not like time fades away nearly so much as all the adjacent material!
nice, that worked well! easy way to quote a post from another thread imo.
but, on the topic of polls, i’m sure there will be a lot of ilm people who may have strong feelings about this, but i realized tonight that maybe there’s not any point in waiting for poll results. maybe they should should just up there, like they are now in the default polls, where as votes come in they just show up. and you can change your own vote. and in that case, why ever “close” the poll? the only reason to close a poll is to have a final result/big reveal, but nothing’s ever final maaaan and who cares about big reveals. potentially.
anyway, sorry if there’s already been discussion on this, it’s just interesting and it changes the way a poll feels imo—in a good way.
how can I bookmark a specific message in a thread? say there are 100 new posts, I read 50 and want to bookmark my progress? maybe im missing smth obv in that case sry
Bookmarks only bookmark the latest one now... I know this is different, but there is a way to do what you’re looking for, which is to save the post... If you click the menu and click “Save” it will store it in your saved posts, and you can see that list as the Star icon in the main menu.
Z, forgive me if I don’t get to every point here, but actually I had exactly the same thought a few weeks ago.
I had considered the idea of re-running them, as it could be interesting to see how a group of individuals’ views on something has changed over time, but this is quite a big engineering job.
I think there’s some drama in having a point at which the detail on the results arrives, but it would be entirely possible to leave it open for voting / changing votes.
but actually I had exactly the same thought a few weeks ago.
I had considered the idea of re-running them, as it could be interesting to see how a group of individuals’ views on something has changed over time, but this is quite a big engineering job.
Did you aye? lol
Octo, thank you for your comments. One thing I would say is that twenty years ago, I did design and develop the existing ILX and everyone hated it! There’s a thread here about it somewhere! It is interesting to see that despite not really changing, it is now held up as some kind of pinnacle of web design. I knew literally nothing about design back then and only a minimum of CSS, so it’s difficult for me personally (although I understand it, if you’re not me, and you didn’t go through that) to believe it actually is really amazing vs. people are just used to it.
Your general rules are great, and they actually are what I focus on, but I can only assume you might not think that—or at least, not in all cases. When it comes to aesthetics, everyone always has their view, and everyone thinks that everyone else agrees with their view. so that makes it tricky. Also, things take time to settle in—over time I will make changes, provide options and take on people’s comments. I am already doing so, although responding here is taking up most of my time at the moment. Some of that is pretty easy (already done some) and some will take longer.
The tagging thing is something I have considered, but generally backed away because of its likelihood to be overused and get annoying. It’s a significant feature, with a variety of challenges (persistent notifications; lookup of usernames etc. etc.) but if people in general want it, then I can take a look.
only a minimum of CSSThis is a feature IMO. I really appreciate a site where there are not a lot of different fonts, different font sizes, backgrounds, boxes, rounded corners, icons, columns, animations ... even if it’s not as pretty as a site that’s got lots of design, I find it much more readable!
Sure, and I’m glad you like it. My point is that it’s not that way because I designed it as some kind of feature—it’s because I didn’t know what I was doing!
beautiful DIY fruit
emil.y: Re: poll results visualisations. I’ve set mine to bar chart as that’s the simplest graphic imo, but it still seems…
Happy to consider a ‘just text’ option if people want that.
Yeah, that would be awesome, and I’m pretty sure it wouldn’t just be me—as I say, I quite like having the visualisations available, but they just take up too much room on my screen, so if the size can’t be changed I’d probably have ‘just text’ as my default and then occasionally change my settings to look at some fun graphics.
I seem to get every notification twice.
Yes, I did that to make sure you noticed.
ONLY JOKING. That is odd... Not sure why that’s happening. I will look into it.
Actually, did you just go back to a tab you hadn’t been on for a bit? Because arstetzka and I both did post twice, and it does keep the notifications there until you re-open the tab.
No, I was just hanging out on the one tab.
Were you on another window and then move back to it?
No. I was steadily reading that one post you can glimpse in the screenshot when all four notifications popped up. It seems to happen about half the time.
Hmm, strange. I wonder it was maybe a network thing, i.e. you briefly disconnected, and then reconnected, and all the notifications came at once.
Is this an intentional design feature? All the posts (and usernames) in this thread before my post about duplicate notifications are in a smaller font than the posts after it.
Absolutely not. Has your computer got a virus? 🤣. Seriously, I don’t know what is going on there.
one of the things i love most about ILX is its web 1.0 feel (newold.css for life!)
threads are just text on a screen, unchanging as if they’ve been there forever. especially so with ILX’s deep archive, reading people’s live reactions to an album that came out 20 years ago
i must beg for the ability to turn off all the live update and social stuff.. it might sound a bit weird but it kinda triggers my social anxiety.. i didn’t even like the “x people are logged in” stuff on old-ILX.
THAT SAID. i love that the site has personality and whimsy with a lot of the new features and iconography. that’s something truly missing with modern web/software design. also from a tech perspective, it’s awesome! ...it just doesn’t feel like ilx0r to me
As I get used to this site I’m finding the old one harder to read, and harder to even look at!
And I was just now taking another screenshot of the same font phenomenon (notice how emily’s post is so much smaller than the ones below it) when you posted your virus post and I got another duplicate notification.
Heading offline for the rest of the day! Thanks for looking.
Thank you, I made newold many years ago. You might want to try “Book” here, which isn’t dissimilar. And you don’t need to bed to turn the live update stuff off, I will provide an option to do that.
I can see it, I just don’t understand it. Much more likely to be a browser thing than anything else—I’ve never see it anywhere else.
• Having to click on the “replying to ILXposter” posts in the first place to see what is being replied to is... well, I won’t say it’s difficult, but it’s certainly an extra step, but having an extra tab automatically get opened for each one is a more involved process.
I’m getting to the point where I’m not clicking on the “replying” links because it’s not worth the extra effort. “Is it really that important?” I ask myself.
• When “# of posts since you last read” appears on a thread on the front page(s), do those numbers just stay there forever, ticking up the new posts?
Sometimes, I’ll click on a thread to see what’s happening, go “Nope!” in my mind and move on. I’ll consider more carefully which thread to click on from now on if doing so means that it will be branded in pink on my front page forever.
• And more out of curiosity, at one point does ILX style move from using words for numbers to actual numbers for the numbers? AP Style uses words for only zero to nine (maybe ten) while ILX seems to be using words for everything from ninety-nine and lower.