this is the second straight pretty good SP prospect that the white sox have gotten from the jays in the past five months
but anthopolous knows his shit
clarkspencer clarkspencer
#Marlins make no comment after meeting with pujpls agent for 75 minutes
here’s the full law
Blue Jays get value in Sergio Santos
December, 6, 2011
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With the deal that sends Chicago White Sox reliever Sergio Santos to Toronto for Blue Jays prospect Nestor Molina, the Jays trade maybe their sixth-best pitching prospect for a very effective short reliever (whom they had previously when he was still a position player). This should take Toronto out of the market for free-agent closers, most of whom end up overpaid thanks to the winner’s curse and the short peaks of most relievers’ careers. The White Sox, on the other hand, get an extreme control right-hander without much of a breaking ball who could be a dominant two-pitch reliever, but is probably a year away from seriously contributing in the majors.
Santos was a shortstop (and not a good one) as recently as 2008, but converted to the mound in 2009 and raced to the majors even though he was mostly just an arm-strength guy at the time he switched roles. He’s much more than that now, getting ahead with a mid-90s fastball but putting hitters away with a hard, extremely late-breaking slider that looks like it drops off a cliff at the last second. Santos threw 174 sliders in two-strike counts this year, according to Bloomberg Sports, and 57 percent of them resulted in strikeouts. The White Sox didn’t use him much in number of games or within the games he pitched, with 80 percent of his outings comprised of one inning or less, so between that and his time as a position player, he’s about as lightly used a reliever as you’ll find in the big leagues. As long as Santos is healthy, he’ll provide excellent value to the Blue Jays either on the field or in a trade a year or so from now, when he’s a more “proven” closer.
Molina, also a converted infielder, has outstanding control, walking 16 batters in 130 innings in 2011 across two levels, most of it in high Class A. He has a solid-average fastball at 90–92 with a plus splitter, a pitch that made him more effective against left-handed batters than right-handed by more than 100 points of OPS this year. His breaking ball is a work in progress, to say the least, and he doesn’t offer much projection, so there’s still an open question of whether he can remain a starter with a midrotation ceiling or a late-game reliever. He should have a significant role in the ‘pen even if he ends up exclusively a fastball/splitter guy. Molina is a good prospect, probably the best now in a fallow White Sox system, but the return seems a little light for a major league reliever signed to a very affordable three-year deal.
I can see Miami drawing pretty well now that there will be percent chance of zero for rainouts. If I’d lived in S. Fla. the past few years I’d still never have gone to a Marlins game — the thought of getting into a dunk tank doesn’t appeal to me.
It breaks my heart that Albert Pujols, Heath Bell, and Jose Reyes will have to wear those uniforms.
lol someone is squatting on jon heyman’s old si account, or something
SI_JonHeyman:
hearing #Marlins boosted offer to pujols to 13 years.... they are obvs pushing hard... long and hard... [via Twitter]
mlb network baseball winter meetings™ coverage makes me want to puncture my eardrums
wheeeeeeee
RT @truebluela If Harang deal backloaded. Dodgers will pay Lilly/Harang/Capuano/Uribe/Ellis/Hairston/Guerrier ~$47.75m in 2013
JimBowdenESPNxmJIM BOWDEN
Mariners are now front=runners on Fielder with Milw,Cubs & Tor all wanting shorter term deals....stay tuned
SI_JonHeyman:
hearing #Marlins boosted offer to pujols to 13 years.... they are obvs pushing hard... long and hard... [via Twitter]
what the hell!!
that’s a fake
heyman’s new account is Jon_Heyman
i saw it in the yahoo tracker and freaked out slightly until i clicked on over
ok, whew — I mean, I would love for that to be true, because I have my NL East hunt already, but
fielder to mariners has seemed like a foregone conclusion for like 2 years now
?
they have money to play with and their GM drafted prince while in MIL and lallygagged covets him
ah! thx.
RT @truebluela If Harang deal backloaded. Dodgers will pay Lilly/Harang/Capuano/Uribe/Ellis/Hairston/Guerrier ~$47.75m in 2013
ned and frank dont give a fuck. the new ownership should fire ned’s stupid ass for fucking them before they even get a chance to start.
yeah its just they’ve got money and at this point could really use a guy like him to remind fans what a home run is or what a major league hitter is like
plus their gm is the brewers former scouting director etc etc
cards are apparently furiously trying to unload lohse or westbrook. wonder what that could be about...
tryna free payroll for poo-holes or burly
feel like the solution would’ve been not giving jake westbrook 40m in the first place but \(o_O)/
the sox are apparently in on some japanese shortstop and are playing hardball with david ortiz—gave him a low 2-year offer that seems to be designed to get him to accept arbitration.
Exec: white sox asking for ‘ubaldo Jimenez package’ for John Danks.
Uh
they might be able to get a package from ubaldo jiminez
joecapMARLINS joe capozzi
Growing buzz in lobby that #Marlins will emerge as winner Albert Pujols derby. Nothing final yet but fish r favorites, accd 2 lobby walkers
“the ubaldo jimenez package” sounds like some black market plastic surgery you can get or something
GordonEdes Gordon Edes
Red sox confirm they did not post on Japanese ss Nakajima
*wipes brow*
JeffPassan Jeff Passan
Cardinals owner. Whoa. RT @jonmorosi: More DeWitt on Pujols: “We’re realistic about the fact that it may not happen.”
It seems damn peculiar that the Marlins are going to sign free agents at two positions they really already have pretty decent players.
Obviously they hope Hanley pouts but moves to third or perhaps the outfield, but where do they put Gaby Sanchez if for some reason this pyramid scheme actually does bring in Pujols?
hanley ramirez is not a good shortstop
he’s a good hitter who plays shortstop, but those are two different things
gaby’s gonna get traded for pitching
Mets are apparently rebuilding the J’s 2011 bullpen. godspeed.
Torres for Pagan, how thrilling. Still, prepare ye SF:
Pagan’s low baseball IQ, including consistently missing cutoff men and throwing to the wrong base, often agitated Mets officials.
Tim McCarver, who has been a national analyst on television networks for three decades and simultaneously shined as part of broadcast teams with four big league clubs, was named on Wednesday the 2012 recipient of the Ford C. Frick Award.
*WHAM with a sock of shit*
Huston Street to SD
lol
Reyes’ contract
2012: 10
2013: 10
2014: 16
2015: 22
2016: 22
2017: 22
2018: 22/4 buyout
are players allowed to play shortstop in a wheelchair
now imagine what Pujols will look like.
the pirates have signed erik bedard!?
are players allowed to play shortstop in a wheelchair
Jeter (TM)
Ken_Rosenthal Ken Rosenthal
Buerhle to #Marlins: 4 yrs, $58M. #MLB
lawl
up until two months ago i thought Buerhle was overrated!
so do the fish have no choice but to trade HanRam now?
are they going to be selling crack at the new park to pay for this?
lawl again
wtf is that?!
is that Chevy Chase?
marlins still looking in on wilson & prince
Miami out of Pujols hunt... Angels and Cubs still in?
it’s angels.
RT @espn: Wow. RT @SportsCenter: Breaking News: Report: free agent 1B Albert Pujols agrees to 10-year contract with @Angels
WHAT
WHAT THE FUCK
ho
lee
shit
He probably won’t be the highest-paid Angel in 2012.
i’m kind of relieved.
<3 pujols (performance on the field), but the thought of paying him $20 million plus when he’s 38, 39, 40, 40+ years old is just ridiculous.
damn, they’re giving him 250
well now!
or even 260? yeesh
lolbaseball
this + Wells = how can they afford to pay anybody else on their team?!
apparently they signed a new tv deal that may bring in as much as 150m a year
10/250. yikes.
he could perform at that level, but i wouldn’t have given him that much
i’m sure he’ll be worth it for maybe 5 years—but what is the best production MLB has seen from a 40 yr old?
Bonds I’m thinkin’
if they get CJ Wilson their payroll is in red sox territory.
best production at 40 is probably someone like hank aaron or barry?
Ted Williams: .328/.458/.584, 4.8 WAR (fell off a cliff at 41 tho)
i think it was a lose-lose for STL, maybe this is the best-case scenario out of the two difficult choices? i could see the dude falling off quicker than 5 years, tbh.
whoa
dodgers traded dana eveland to the orioles to get back some of that pr juice from the angels. suck it arte!
this contract isn’t really about how bad he plays in his 40s, it’s really about whether he’s gonna be good enough in the next 4 or 5 years to offset that — and that’s still possible
everyone is saying that cj to the angels is a done deal
cj to the angels for 5/75
It was weird that SBN had the Cubs as the other rumored Pujols contender last night. Why would Theo go near such a contract?
The Angels are the new Marlins
(and by new I mean “today’s”)
man. this team stealing the Marlin’s thunder.
just trying to figure out their finances is boggling my mind right now.
xpost—drive the price up for the Cards?
just for fun i looked up other well-known players 40 yr stats...
Hank Aaron: .268/.341/.491, 2.4 WAR
Bonds: .362*/.609*/.812*, 11.9 WAR!!!
Ty Cobb .339/.408/.511, 1.7 WAR
Willie Mays: .271/.425/.482, 6.4 WAR
Frank Robinson: .237/.385/.508, 1.0 WAR
Frank Thomas: .240/.349/.374, -0.1 WAR
Honus Wagner: .252/.317/.317, 4.2 WAR
Stan Musial: .275/.354/.486 1.9 WAR
my coworker is convinced Pujols is actually 34, btw. not a lot of guys playing at 44 to compare!
Thomas was pretty productive at 39, I think.
Passan has been bringing up A-Rod, like that is the one comparison to make.
and i agree that the contract isn’t about how he’ll play at 40–42... right now. but in 7/8 years it will be.
pujols is getting elite money when he could be entering his “very, very good but no longer all-time great” phase.
Now there’s a rumor about a Bailey-Trumbo-others deal.
It was weird that SBN had the Cubs as the other rumored Pujols contender last night. Why would Theo go near such a contract?
― Dr Morbius, Thursday, December 8, 2011 10:10 AM (31 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink
yeah... i’m not sure if we’ll ever find out if there was a third team in there or not. i don’t think the cubs needed to be bidding the cardinals up considering what the marlins and angels were doing
I think the idea is that Pujols’ market value was something like $40/$45 million in his *peak* years, and that Pujols has outperformed his past contracts more than any player ever.
Still, I cannot believe the A-Rod contract has 6 more years to go, it’s already looking like one of the worst contracts in baseball, but coming from the team that willingly traded for Vernon Wells this is probably not much of a concern
i would like to see the Angels payroll projections for the next decade in chart form!
jered weaver did his team a serious fucking solid by taking a team friendly deal this season. what a bro.
Happy birthday, Vernon Wells.
marlins had highest bid in on pujols AND wilson, btw
i think pujols got permanently spooked by the marlins refusing to include a no-trade, and cj just wanted to play in LA and was willing to give up $20m to do so
i wonder when they’re going to tell him that he’ll be playing in anaheim.
he said on sportscenter he wanted to sign with the dodgers but we’re cash strapped bitches so he went with anaheim.
marlins offered pujols 10/275
thank you based god that loria refused to give him a no-trade
:D
LoMoMarlins
The real winner is the gov. In the Pujols signing. Cali is taking 25m and Feds are taking 80m. We might be getting out of the deficit sooner
: D
hahah
I’d be bitter too if I was on the Marlins!
fwiw
LeBatardShowDan LeBatard Show
The Marlins didn’t offer Pujols $275 million. That’s total nonsense. Total. Feels leaked by Pujols people to make him seem less greedy