Anyone got the skinny on the Real ILX coming back?
Nope.
Yuk, something went wrong there.
Markleby’s been on vano.thehold.net grousing too.
Hoyl crap it’s back.
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I wonder if that has anything to do with it
If it was back, it’s not any more.
Yep, it was back long enough for me to see the front page.
Hey. I guess that means someone’s working on it, then?
I don’t know — there’s been no noises from anyone I’ve heard. Perhaps it’s just dying, not completely dead.
fuck.
Is that your contribution?
Real ILX has been down so long that this place has replaced it in my URL autocomplete box. :(
Is that your contribution?
yup. sadly, i can think of nothing more useful.
Maybe Andrew is seeing how many emails he gets as a test of our ILXLove?
Ha! This place is up for less than a day before it gets poxy fuled itself
It has replaced my autocomplete thingy too.
As soon as I saw ilxor in the Observer I thought it would be bad news but I didn’t realise it would have this impact—newspapers! who’d a thought?
Having said that I was getting poxy fuled more often recently anyway.
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we missed out on such a big opportunity. if we made the NUILX donations like a big thing on the front page, and made it to cost £5 per registration JUST BEFORE the observer article, we can probably afford to run ilx on a dedicated OC192 line.
I don’t understand how the Observer thing can have such a detrimental effect. On Sunday and Monday maybe when there’s a spike of interest but usually these things tail off pretty quickly and more so when you can’t access the board.
Some of us have been posting on LAST FM while ILX is down.
This looks much nicer.
I screwded up my first registration, so now I’m called M for some reason.
Hi M. I’m C.
Whee! I’m in, it seems to work!
I didn’t think anyone read OMM, anyway. Perhaps pulling the site down is their revenge for all the snark martian and Marcello tossed their way over the last few years?
right who’s going to start the first evah THEHOLD-ILX FEUD with me??
Momus isnt here.
You’ve said his name, so it won’t be long.
Ken won’t have long to wait then.
is the observer mention online? i can’t see it on their webpage...
Apparently it’s only in the print version? I didn’t buy a copy yesterday, so I don’t know for sure.
It’s in the review section. It’s a tiny single line mention in a sidebar. NO KITTY chooses her top five music sites. ILX is the first.
I find it a bit hard to believe that it was enough to cause an outage, really. But who knows.
Yeah, it seems pretty weird to me, even if they’d done a big feature on it, bigger publications than OMM have covered ILX more prominently without it pulling the site down.
YOU BRITS AND YOUR FUCKING NEWSPAPERS RUINING MY GOOD TIME
The Entertainment Weekly notice should have done it if anything was going to.
Didn’t Ned’s infro from Andrew say that it was a lot of hits from a specific UK referrer which caused ilx to fall over? Cos if the Observer piece didn’t even include the ilx mention in its online version (and it didn’t, it’s here), then that’s enough to disprove that theory, really.
(info, afro)
Some of us have been posting on LAST FM while ILX is down.
The ILX Flickr group is also getting posts.
yeah, sounds like it must be something else causing the problem, then...
maybe dissensus is performing a denial of service attack?
HI DERE.
So anyway. I have no idea what’s going on beyond what I’ve been forwarding to all and sundry what I hear from everyone else. Though it has been amusing to note that apparently I *am* ILX in some eyes.
The whole referral question is pretty strange. Surely it would have topped out by now.
maybe dissensus is performing a denial of service attack?
— lf (lfam@o
Haha, the dissensus floodbot that sticks in a 1,000,000 word post about grime in 2006 whenever is sees an open comment box.
Okay, I updated the Wikipedia entry with a link here, at least.
From http://ilx.thehold.net/thread.php?msgid=41#unread
works fine for me in here, too. What do we have to do to stress-test this thing? how hard does it have to be hit before it poxy-fules?
— kingfish in absentia (jdsalmo...) (webmail), August 15th, 2006 4:50 PM. (later)
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Woah! Don’t stress-test it yet! It’ll definitely break, as it’s on a shared server. It’s just to fill the database with a reasonable amount of stuff so code tests have some connnection to the real world.
— stet (bonald...) (webmail), August 15th, 2006 4:51 PM. (later)
Maybe linking from outside isn’t the best idea just yet?
Ah, that would do. Hold on. *edits*
I don’t believe it’s only because of that newspaper thing either. This kind of “no reply from server” was happening now and then (a couple of times during the last couple of weeks—remember the previous weekend’s “we’re back” ?) besides the poxy fuling.
That hadn’t been happening to me at all. I was just getting poxy fuled a lot. Like, loads.
Granted, but Andrew’s brief message to me was clear enough:
> Nope, not been pulled. Just there was an article in the Guardian (I
> think) which linked to ILX. The server is being bombarded. :(
>
> Andrew
So there you go.
happened to me
xpost
Oh. I sit corrected, thanks.
xpost
I mean, keep in mind Andrew may be getting odd info there himself. But he’s there keeping an eye on the server and presumably knows where the traffic is coming from. *shrug*
The Boserver sells 457,000. If every single one of them tried to load ILX that’d be 10 times the average load. But still ...
Have we at least put links in every other boards so that the ilx diaspora knows to migrate here?
Woah! Don’t stress-test it yet! It’ll definitely break, as it’s on a shared server. It’s just to fill the database with a reasonable amount of stuff so code tests have some connnection to the real world.
— stet (bonald...) (webmail), August 15th, 2006 4:51 PM. (later)
As has been told to you before.
I’m OTM there. The hold can probably take a bit moer than it has now, right enough, so letting forlorn lost ilxors know should be OK.
I wouldn’t open the wikipedia/world announcement floodgates though. After all, the real ILX surely can’t be down for much longer, can it?
No idea.
I’m not counting on seeing the old database again until it’s running on new code.
sad thing is first thing i did when i realized ilx was beyond poxy fuled was peep raggett’s myspace profile for news.
Oh dear. (But it says more about me than you, I think.)
^^^ roffle @ screen name, gear
as long as someone remembers to implement and incorporate a poll facility into the new new code all will be well.
You misspelled “hell” there.
where all the noise duders at??
rofflz at seeing the words “All Noise Dude Summertime Fun Board and Pickle Bar” on wikipedia.
(Credit to Jess for making that call, BTW.)
could this end up being the permanent ilx home? where is this being hosted? am i missing an explanation somewhere upthread that i’m too lazy to read?
No, this is a temporary test site on a shared host. The permanent home will be elsewhere — but this is good for testing out new code in the interim.
it’s pretty swift
xposts
No, on my crappy shared space server, probably.
I put this up last week to test out code changes/rewrites for the nuILX project that’s starting up. Then ILX died, and I asked for some test posts so there was actually something here to work on. then loads of people turned up!
It should be quick. ILX has 4 million posts. This has 400. :D
nu-nu-ILX, 1 million posts by Saturday.
be patient, stet, ned is typing as fast as he can
Wow, the Statscock actually works here! I am number one! Woooo!
Woo hoo! I found ILX!
(hugs screen)
I’ve been looking everywhere for this.
Some guy named Swearingen had kidnapped ILX and was renting her out for two bits a fuck.
Supposedly youtube has been down all day.
Something to do with being named in TIME top 50 coolest websites list?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4793481.stm
Thank god ilx wasnt in that!
I’d love to see a video of the poxy fule
I have nothing to say at this time.
I ain’t gonna be your fule no more
Actually I was catching up at the fracturing despair over on the right these days that just maybe they were wrong about what a good idea Iraq was. I’d be gleefully entertained were it not for all the misery and death.
From the Red State piece:
“It does us very little good to coddle or otherwise allow people like Moqtada Al Sadr to be coddled.”
I love it when forward leaning tuff guys use idiomatic language with abandon. It’s time to stop coddling and take the gloves off! The Sunnis keep moving their leg onto the Shiite’s side of the seat, so we may be forced to pull over the car. No more coddling.
You know, the observer article didn’t even give a link, it just named “ilxor” as the site. For people to find it though that, they’d need to google first. So unless all the traffic is coming from search engine referrals, I really don’t think it can be related to the Observer.
well, you know that ilxor.com redirected to ilx.wh3rd.net, right?
word in the tubes is ilx got sonned by hipinion in a internet msg board beef
anyways
Wow, the Statscock actually works here! I am number one! Woooo!
I see Ned has claimed his throne
How am I not on the statscock? I’ve been posting like mad!
There are discrepancies, I think, with the statscock.
Once again?
maybe one of them blanks is you nick.
Yeh, it’s having troube with people who a) didn’t register and b) have registered with their real names instead of their screen names and are now having to change their name box all the time.
this is the reg page’s fault, it’s confusing.
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST, ALLAN, THEHOLD IS FULL OF PEOPLE!
this reminds me of the time i went to see the manic street preachers in livingston. when i got back to my flat, there were 150 people having a party. i opened the door and whacked someone in the face.
anyway. hello everybode. how long before this breaks, i wonder?
have registered with their real names instead of their screen names and are now having to change their name box all the time
fucking hell. i thought that was a good idea. o well.
Didn’t you read the FAQ, grimly?
yes. he told me he’d changed that. the big ginger twat.
He’s too late now.
oh FFS. how do i get my posting name to stay as “grimly fiendish”? proper ILX did it. gah.
Oh he wasn’t.
oh, like that. i see.
this is weird. in a fun way.
[countdown to stet appearing to deny gingerness ... 10 ... 9 ... 8 ...]
Been working fine all day for me until about two minutes ago.
I think it all goes wrong when the hogbut- sorry, Chicagoans- get to work.
lock/delete chi and d.c. threads plzzzzzzzzzzz
I’m annoyed because it went down when I was just about to read what where the Top Funniest 500 Posts Ever.
It’s back! Oh wait..
That Best Posts Ever thread stalled at 22 posts, and a lot of those are not even Best Posts, but just generalized discussion!
she’s breaking up
more liek dullest posts ever AMIRITE
chi / d.c. / watercooler threads are where all the known ilx addicts tie up teh server pretending its a chatroom AMISTILLRITE
You’re poxy, I’m poxy, all god’s chillun are poxy.
Meanwhile, we had a tenant on the back porch for three weeks:
Rebuilt the web every evening at dusk, took it down at dawn. I was careful not to mess with her, but she quit showing up about a week ago. About an inch long (just the body, not counting the legs).
eight.
STARSBUCK COFFEE
and now every bugger trying to find old threads to bump has killed it dead agane.
Any idea what’s happened—I didn’t get a chance to have a read through the relevant threads before it buggered off again.
I think with the recently publicity we’ve received it’s just chock-a-block with users.
The new answers cache was deleted, I guess an attempt to unpoxy the fule by reducing server load?
How was the fap in Edinburgh? I wish I could have been at some of those Scottish ken faps.
Ken, I know about that*, I meant recently, like in the last couple of hours with all the new answers gone.
(xpost)
*though I still struggle to believe that one article in the Observer Music Monthly has crashed this for weeks on end.
You should come over for a double ken-fap! It was small but perfectly formed and very pleasant indeed. Drinks, football-watching, Thai food and Belle and Sebastian. Pretty much a perfect day out, really.
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Sorry, Ailsa, I just wanted to say that because once we were in Edinburgh in August and we managed to find a hotel for one night and the guy told us possibly maybe he could let us have a room the next night if the Great Northern Railway rep didn’t need it. Well, that didn’t work out so he said he would try to help us find another room, but when we came down to breakfast he said: “I’ve called round, but Edinburgh’s just chock-a-block with the Festival!”
The search function can kill the whole thing with just one user. When the cache got corrupted, loads of people started searching to try and bump old threads.
For some reason there’s no timeout set on searches, so the server will continue with the very, very slow search until it’s done. While it’s searching, nothing else can access it. Hmph.
People should’ve revived threads via New Questions.
Yeh, it was the ancient threads that did it, I think.
Point the search link to Google.
Until nu_ILX code is sorted, that is. One less overhead to worry about.
The quickest fix could well be to put a timeout on SQL queries. But I don’t know how many people have server access these days to do that.
Well. that was good for about five minutes. Is it just the search function that knackers it, or does random, viewing expanded categories etc do it as well?
Opening the categories page is another big hit, but by far the worst culprit is doing a search.
Can we stick something on the new answers pages of ILX telling people to cool it with the search function?
(when I say “we” I mean “someone that isn’t me”, obviously. Sorry.)
i can’t understand why anyone bothers with the ILX search anyway. it’s a heap of spectacular shit. ever since i realised google can search the thing, that’s the method i’ve used.
the real ILX has just popped back up while i type. new answers has even less on it than it did last time i looked.
the whole thing is fucked, and is obviously going to remain so until someone posts something sensible on every new answers page saying: YO ILX0RS, DON’T USE THE FUCKING SEARCH, or similar.
at the moment it’s something of a clusterfuck and i haven’t really got time to worry about it.
OK, now there are no new answers at all again on the new answers page. Give it two minutes before everyone starts searching for stuff and it all goes tits up again...
Results 1—10 of about 87 from ilx.wh3rd.net for “tits up”. (0.11 seconds)
Google pwns poxy search.
Um, aren’t a lot of threads deindexed?
Hm, I thought I had posted something about using Thread Titles and Login Names in searches.
Poor little fule, oh yeah
Didn’t I see a “ILX is down for maintenance” about two hours ago? Now it’s all fuled poxily again.
is here working then other than the lack of the historical posts then? or is it still a gentle fledgling?
Here works just about as well as real ILX, fwiw
here works substantially better :)
How much can the database deal with though? We can’t all migrate here can we?
Not as permanent move, absolutely not. It’ll work fine in the short-term though while the real database is repaired.
Um, aren’t a lot of threads deindexed?
Searching 90% of ilx is better than killing it.
One thing I noticed is that wh3rd.net give more google results than p3r.net—I was concerned that maybe deindexing threads wasn’t working properly for both domains and asked a question about it on the Mod request forum. No-one answered.
compare:
Results 1—10 of about 187 from ilx.wh3rd.net for “tits up”. (0.24 seconds)
Results 1—10 of about 42 from ilx.p3r.net for “tits up”. (0.26 seconds)
Searching 90% of ilx
has killed it. :(
I meant searching 90% using google and only using the ilx search if you have a desperate crushing need to find a deindexed thread and think the search engine will actually work. I find clicking “random” for a week is more efficient.
Stet, has *anyone* answered to Andrew’s message on the Google Code group yet?
Unless someone’s replied to him privately, it doesn’t look like it.
I wish could’ve replied but my coding skills are not mighty enough to save ilX
Stet, Pash, check your mail. (I am not offering a solution to the current problem, but this is a related issue.)
Not that I’m aware of. I’ve been asking around to see if there’s anyone with the appropriate skills. I think a lot of us could and would volunteer to have a pop, but I fear we really need a proper DBA with experience of large (4gb+) databases. Does anyone know of any ilxors who sound like that?
Hmm. I don’t know what the question is, but I’ve worked with 70GB+ databases before (on SQL Server 2000). I’m not really a DBA though, more application development, so I dunno if I could help.
What’s the problem?
Me too.
I don’t know the specific problem, only that the DB isn’t behaving itself. There are problems with the code’s scaling, but they’re long term and not likely to be the source of this outage.
Currently the DB (MySQL on Linux) is in itself apparently broken — from the outside it appears it is not responding correctly to updates, inserts or selects.
It does suddenly occur to me that MySQL ships with a 4gb limit. I’m sure that must have been raised at some point in the past, however, but the DB is about 4gb as it stands.
There’s a 4gb limit on table size in MySQL, but not on the db itself.
I know absolutely fuck all about MySQL, sorry.
MySQL hasn’t had that limit since v3.22. Might be a problem with Linux file size limit?
Ever get the feeling you’ve been poxy fuled?
This is no fun.
The worst part is that I still can’t be bothered to get any work done.
Ha ha ha me neither. Terrible. I keep looking at other fora, but they are mostly terrible.
Hanging out on ILX nu
Eating chicken vindaloo
I think I’m trying to sneak through today so I can say I actually took the whole month of August off.
I’m actually crunching through some work — means I can relax this weekend. ;-)
I am drinking tea, and avoiding Real Work by planning Christmas gifts for people. Yes, it’s still only Auugust, I know.
I’ve been working on xmas gifts for a couple of months now!
Please tell me you’re kidding
No, my mom does similar. She says it helps her beat the rush.
Do you mean buying/making them or just mentally noting what might be good gifts? This is the sort of organisation I can only aspire towards aspiring towards
Mrs. RH mail-orders all year “for christmas,” gives the gifts as soon as they arrive, then buys more when it’s actually christmas. She’s going to fucking ruin me.
Might be a problem with Linux file size limit?
It’s unlikely—the main file size problem hits at 2G, and I’d have thought that if ILX is approaching 4G the largest table would already have passed the 2G point.
In any case, few systems still have the 2G limit.
Do you mean buying/making them or just mentally noting what might be good gifts? This is the sort of organisation I can only aspire towards aspiring towards
Making them. knit knit.
hi everyone i just found this. whew!
I DECREE THIS IN A PUBLIC FORUM SUCH THAT I WILL MAKE GOOD ON IT:
This year, I will FINISH and actually GIVE the Xmas CD I have dedicated the last weeks before Xmas to for the past 2 years to recording. The “won’t get mad at christmas” song. The lo-fi disco “joy to the world”. The soft pretty one that will probably make my mom cry. Etc. SEE, I’M NOT A TOTAL FAILURE. MERRY XMAS, MOMS.
the last weeks to for recording to for the for to
UGH where did my sentence-making skills go
Currently the DB (MySQL on Linux) is in itself apparently broken — from the outside it appears it is not responding correctly to updates, inserts or selects.
Has something happened to the permissions for the database user? Is there a size limit on the share where the db is?
I am in awe of people using this time to make xmas gifts! I’ve just been filling time with more cups of tea.
It looks as if some checks that were run yesterday (which should have been completely safe) sent it haywire. Then the searches to refill New Answers compounded things.
Just now best opinion is that it won’t work until somebody with server access restarts the DB server.
Damn, I just got poxyfuled here at the Sandbox!
O RLY? Hoo shit.
Very briefly. I hit Refresh immediately and the page came up that time, no delay.
guys, regular ILX is working now
Not for me it isnt, Ive been trying it for about half an hour now and it just wont load up—so its still at least slow (for me anyway).
NOTOTMBOT
Not letting me in either :(
has anyone been poxy fuled on thehold yet?
This is like being in the secret house in Big Brother
Damn, I just got poxyfuled here at the Sandbox!
— I Am Curious (George) (Slight Return) (crumpw@bellsouth.net) (webmail), August 31st, 2006 9:25 PM. (Rock Hardy) (later)
oops, no email address filter.
I just got poxy-fuled but it didn’t say turn back you poxy fule. this feels odd, somehow.
:(
“Board database failure” seems a bit final, somehow.
yeah “board database failure” doesn’t sound good. :(
Ah well, I’ve been sent a Borders voucher that appears to be multi-printable and emailable to all your chums. Enjoy!
uh oh
time change fulage?
Dang your eyes, you beat me here by 2 seconds!
Not poxying, just timing out.
Times me out too. /cry
i think something broke
yup
that was a quick fix