every song samples imogen heap sounds more like clammy clams
“arcade pussy” = young l song titles very much in character
every song samples imogen heap sounds more like clammy clams
― fireman princess (furnace mane), Sunday, December 25, 2011 11:36 AM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark
yeah i think this was basically it
i have trouble believing young L has stepped up his rapping enough for it to be a tolerable project frankly
he should stick to producing SL Jones
young L has always been pretty dope
imo he’s been slightly overrated online b/c his shit sounds kind of Wire mag-ish but he is dope & in the real world is underrated so im not mad about it. but he’s still a nonentity as a rapper
every song samples imogen heap sounds more like clammy clams
― fireman princess (furnace mane), Sunday, December 25, 2011 11:36 AM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark
yeah i think this was basically it
― How many days after a period? Started by Tuomas in December 2011 (v-shasty), Sunday, 25 December 2011 17:47 (5 hours ago) Bookmark
Nope http://www.thefader.com/2011/08/08/young-ls-as-i-float-the-great-john-nash-mixtape/
lol at imogen heap’s based goddess status. and yeah deej, he did step it way up. and even his stuff before where he was rapping pretty poorly is way more memorable than that sl jones joint which has kinda slipped out of my mind.
even if the domo-kun mixtape is a chore to get through and i had to wrap my head around his weird anti-flow, i find myself bumping to “pound” and “loud pockets” and “overdrive” all the time and stopped listening to the slj track after a few days or whatever
the anti-flow is way toned down on this new tape tho. it’s still there enough to be distinctively him but it’s incorporated into a more regular rapping style. and i’m glad he’s both developing and keeping a distinctive approach
lol at imogen heap’s based goddess status. and yeah deej, he did step it way up. and even his stuff before where he was rapping pretty poorly is way more memorable than that sl jones joint which has kinda slipped out of my mind.
― fireman princess (furnace mane), Sunday, December 25, 2011 5:36 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink
man i completely disagree that L’s earlier stuff was more memorable. SL Jones is like 100x better rapper.
young l’s were like a notch above beat tape (i still have to hear the new one )
im unsure whether or not young l’s young l music is worth listening to: does the initial awesome reaction to the beat propel you through the next 3 minutes of grating, repetitive rapping? i rarely make it through an entire song & just end up sampling each beat on his tapes
this is prob a big challop but i prefer clams casino
okay that’s retarded
also young l’s rapping is fine! it’s rarely great but it’s often kinda fun
i put that too harshly, i like young l i’m just often reluctant to listen to him for that reason. i think the knowledge of “what could have been” plays into it, too. its not like he has some big hilarious idiot persona like soulja boy, just a guy whos always rapping on his beats
im just really tired of production-driven rapping. if you can’t make a good song out of it i dont care how next level the beats are
i don’t even mean the rapper has to be ‘skilled’ or charismatic, i just mean that the song needs to be dope & so far I’ve heard a lot more dope beats than dope songs from L
im just really tired of production-driven rapping. if you can’t make a good song out of it i dont care how next level the beats are
― joey joe joe junior shabadoo, Monday, December 26, 2011 12:13 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark
yeah, well i’m a total beat nerd so
some of his songs are dope as fuck tho
and even if his rapping’s improved, it’s still not like it’s the attraction and it never will be for him, so maybe it’s just not for you/ i love it tho.
this is cool
pastor troy vibe
this is a great read : http://thequietus.com/articles/07634-nice-and-smooth
what do you all think of the touré NYT piece?
it’s...there’s just a lot wrong there, surely. it’s very simplistic. tying hip-hop so essentially to masculinity seems totally wrong.
and i don’t think slapping the label “white” on a white australian and a russian jew is that helpful (why are people so reluctant to address kreayshawn’s race?)
k.flay is not awful but kinda boring btw and i’m surprised people are taking notice of her
hmm yeah definitely some wrong in that piece. I don’t think emphasizing hip-hop’s masculinity-obsession is the main problem tho. The writing is just sort of sub-standard and not insightful imho. The Beyonce line is very wtf, and I don’t agree re: Kreayshawn at all, and then there’s this paragraph, which is just embarassing:
More skilled and perhaps more interesting is K.Flay, 26, a Stanford graduate and a talented vocalist who uses rhyming as a sonic technique. Culturally she is not trying to push her way into hip-hop; she’s more of an indie rock chick. Her rapping is melodic and semi-sung, and on her most recent mixtape, “I Stopped Caring in ’96,” she samples indie groups like the xx and the Vines and talks about alienation
“rhyming as a sonic technique” I mean come on now
I did dig that N&C article tho, thx for the link sil
i mean i don’t think anyone would deny that hip-hop is male-coded, has been male-dominated, and it won’t stop being weighted towards dudes any time soon, but to say that it’s essentially about masculinity is what seems o_0
failing to address the history of white female rappers who haven’t come across as paltrow-style jokes (which i think even paltrow was aware of!) is a bit of an oversight too.
also i think kreayshawn has worked very hard at establishing hip-hop cred!
the paragraph about labelism is half a good point but i’m not sure that labelism is a thing that needs to be defended in such strong terms. the history of hip-hop is as peppered with anti-labelism as brands brands brands.
class unaddressed too?! like, isn’t a reason that eminem and yelawolf are accepted their poor backgrounds (cf the obviously privileged middle-class fratboyisms of asher roth and mac miller). kreayshawn and v-nasty don’t actually seem particularly privileged to me.
also i think kreayshawn has worked very hard at establishing hip-hop cred!
yeah—agree about this and about the class aspect too. like part of the reason Paltrow et al look ridiculous is due to class, it’s not just gender and race.
failing to address the history of white female rappers who haven’t come across as paltrow-style jokes (which i think even paltrow was aware of!) is a bit of an oversight too.
who are you thinking of here, Luscious Jackson?
i wasn’t but yeah! luscious jackson, tairrie b, princess superstar, lady sovereign, there are probably more.
(i don’t know much about tairrie b myself, only read about her)
I think it’s still a pretty narrow sample size... Princess Superstar and Lady Sovereign are non-entities over here (and Toure didn’t seem interested in engaging with UK hip hop or how it would figure in at all—probably just would have muddied the waters since class/race issues are so different between the US & UK)
the earliest example I can think of ESG but they weren’t exactly rapping
haha i think my basic criticism of the piece is that the waters are muddier than what he describes
all the names i mentioned (except luscious jackson?) had the active patronage of some pretty heavyweight black male american rappers though
also none of the white female rappers he discusses are exactly megastars—they’re all at or around the level that princess superstar and lady sov were when their whiteness and femaleness got them written about in the mainstream press
cher lloyd!!
i like toure but i’m not reading this — enough w/ the nyt and kreayshawn
fwiw I doubt LJ would’ve gone anywhere without their connection to the Beasties.
I will rep for this track tho
and i don’t think slapping the label “white” on a white australian and a russian jew is that helpful (why are people so reluctant to address kreayshawn’s race?)
― degas-dirty monet (lex pretend), Tuesday, December 27, 2011 1:07 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Permalink
pro tip, they’re both white
This week in Slate Hitchens on why women aren’t rappy.
ok heritage, whatever, stop playing dumb unless you wanna argue kreayshawn and gwyneth paltrow are coming from the same cultural place here
well they’re both Jews
both with parents in the entertainment industry
huh and Bruce Paltrow was Russian, I had no idea...
haha neither did i!
coming from the same cultural place has nothing to do w/ whether or not someone is white
well, i dont mean to go that far. but they’re overlapping ideas, not completely reflective ones
for all intents & purposes, in the u.s., both artists are white
the caption “Kreayshawn has a slow and cutesy approach to rapping.” >>>> the article
guys northern state
discuss: princess superstar is hands down the best white female rapper who ever lived and that’s an indisputable fucking fact
on the evidence of this mixtape it’s certainly not iggy azalea, at any rate
lol northern state
i still like the sarai single more than pretty much anything by anyone mentioned in this convo
how good is this ?
disappointed that wasn’t “nas in the trap”
I just can’t read “she samples indie groups like the xx and the Vines and talks about alienation” without wanting to peel my eyes with a salt-coated potato peeler.
ayo, deej, thanks for posting about nht boyz today
life changed and shit
haha. appreciated
i feel like those guys have been massively slept on. like, i think exquire has some fun tracks or w/e but their brand of retro feels so much more exciting to me for w/e reason
damn is there new nht out?
that reggae-ish track from earlier this year is still the shit
is this on regular ilx? occult.
wow that toure article is terrible
there are a lot of rap critics from the 90s that i don’t want to hate on their recent writing but they give off such an ‘old man in the club’ vibe
it’s not a good article, correct.
lol I totally forgot about northern state
becuz they were terrible
first useful promo email of 2011: slim dunkin retrospective
this would be better if you switched out droop e for currensy but still very dope
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cfypTOCF4bA#!
ayo u think this dude lurks here?
http://gawker.com/5869758/nine-awesome-songs-and-one-great-mix-you-didnt-hear-in-2011
Why are you even responding if you don’t want to engage? If you don’t think the criticism is valid, tell him so and why.
getting this tattooed tbh
Not new but really digging on Beeda Weeda “That Thizzness” lately.
i don’t imagine fabolous and meek mill over a travis porter beat is as enticing a proposition for most other people as it is for me but
heard ‘turn my fuckin beat up’ on the radio today and thought 1.) damn why does chris always get the hardest beats 2.) look at me now pt. 2 3.) what’s up with him and busta, are they bff
anyway fuck chris brown I wish they would give these beats to other rappers
oh wait it’s a busta song
hmm
Man what does the gun sounds crew think of Action Bronson? I miss being able to search real ilx right now. I just heard the album with Statik Selektah today and really kinda liked it, but I’m trying to figure out if its just because I miss having new Ghostface now or not. Really liking the production on this one tho. How does Lecter compare?
Lecter’s better imo. More hardcore but I like both a lot
who is shakur rump?
anyway i agree w/ jayson greene here: http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/16084-action-bronsonstatik-selektah-well-done/
cannot bring myself to give a shit about Action Bronson, the ghostface thing is too much for me
yeah i mean, i like him, but i don’t take him very seriously, and anyone saying hes the best of what 2011 has to offer in terms of rap music is nuts.