The better question is surely how much ‘mellow’ music fans listened to to start with.

it seems to me kinda ridiculous to assert generalities about any audience as listening exclusively to ONE type of music at any age. I mean I listened to Black Flag AND the Carpenters when I was in high school. Nowadays my tastes still have those kinds of extremes (High on Fire vs. Yume Bitsu for ex.)

maybe I do listen to less “loud n fast” stuff than I used to, but then the markers of what constitutes “loud n fast” have changed completely.

I don’t know about fans but jazz otm re: musicians.

that may have more to do with physical facts of aging than anything else though.

Oh god, there are physical facts to aging, too?

It’s a hard world.

and here i thought i was just going to get lame ; (

Not so much “getting older” but “growing out of the idea that only rebellious music is good”

And Lightning Bolt fans always had Black Dice!

first comes dockers, then comes cancer

I mean I listened to Black Flag AND the Carpenters when I was in high school.

LIES

the markers of what constitutes “loud n fast” have changed completely

please explain!!

um things are louder and faster now than they used to be...? I would think this is obvious. Recording technology has facilitated “loud n fast” sounds/styles that would’ve been impossible to create in the mid-80s.

(I am NOT lying about Black Flag and the Carpenters and I still have the dubbed cassette copy of “Damaged” and my parents’ vinyl copy of “Now and Then” to prove it)

In what way are the Eagles mellower than the Byrds?

i clicked on this thread thinking that Jazz Hormel was some contemporary of of Jello Biafra. then i figured it out.

link to the article?

brother of smokey hormel?

oh i see now

this is not so much a theory as noticing a minor trendlette

and please note that i said “extreme” genres

and of course, the flipside of this trendlette is all the former hardcore kids that have gone straight into whitehouse-stylee noise

brother of smokey hormel?

yeah, i was probably thinking of that guy

There were at least 2 threads on ILM addressing in particular Black Dice’s mellowing and drugginess.

In fact, one even I (and JW) called Christgau out on bullshit of that quote that Jess includes as it is completely incorrect, Black Dice has/had been mellow(ing) for much longer than the mainstream critical consensus recognizes.

Do you mean Momus?

Yes. Momus = Robert Christgau.

gygax and jw take momus to task

trendlette

favorite word of day.

I didnt really think i was reinventing the wheel by noticing that me and some other dudes were gettin old.

I mean if vahid wants to take it as a “theory” (even jokingly)thats fine but i qualify it so many times in the piece that it seems silly.

i would have attributed it to you more directly if i really thought it was yr big theory

i guess i just want to know that as rap dudes get older why they start listening to the clipse instead of norah jones and ammoncontact

the thing is, i think there actually IS something there, i think in general it really does happen! but i am also very interested in the exceptions to the rule, and what they might tell us ...