i was in the car and friend’s ipod randomly played some terrible smooth jazz. she told me she thought it was the new pentangle
other things that can eat me:
-new pentangle
-automobiles
There might be people who think they’re too cool for Pentangle but they’re kidding themselves.
I might even say Pentangle > Fairport Convention at this point.
The jazz influence is Pentangle’s secret weapon.
I knew Pentangle once many moons ago. They recorded an album at Golden voice studio in Pekin, Illinois around 1975ish. My step-father was a dope dealer and they bought some stuff off of him and hung out at our underground lair for awhile. I was about 6 years old at the time and didn’t notice any difference between them and any of the other riff raff that came and visited our little basement apartment drug den on a daily basis...
“I might even say Pentangle > Fairport Convention at this point.”
I wouldn’t listen to either of these bands current incarnations.
the plot thickens
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Whoops, Sorry. Not Pentangle...I meant Pentwater—different band altogether...they say the memory is the first thing to go...
People who are too cool for Pentangle can eat putrifying wild boar and drink watered-down mead
I would like to listen to pentangle WHILE eating putrifying wild boar and drinking watered-down mead.
ian otm. Absolutely top band.
whats the best one to start with
’sweet child’ or ‘basket of light’.
There are people who are too cool for Pentangle? I’ve seen 3/5ths of Pentangle live now so maybe if I can see a Danny Thompson/Terry Cox duo I can assemble some kind of time travelling Pentangle reunion in my head.
whats the best one to start with
Pentangle.
I worship Pentangle, but can I eat you anyway? Do you taste nice smeared with HP sauce?
yeah, i’m wondering who exactly these people are who are too cool for pentangle. i figure if someone has heard of them or heard them that they like them.
Try telling that to people who come to your place of employment looking for Devendra Banhart LPs!
oh, them.
i think fairport convention or even sandy solo would be a better introduction for the neophyte devendra fan though. as far as 60s/70s folkishness goes. don’t you think? maybe i’m wrong. it’s not like pentangle is difficult to listen to.
Early solo Bert is probably the best to show the youngsters that old folk is cool too.
This reminds me though, at the Bert Jansch show Devendra Banhart came on after and was like “this next song is by somebody who has been reconsidered recently... and I think rightly so.... David Crosby.” and I was like huh? There was a time when David Crosby wasn’t considered? But yeah I guess there’s a world of 16 year old Devendra fans that are too cool for Pentangel that I can’t relate to.
dude ian i found the first pentangle lp in portland a few weeks back. sooooo good. great band, great thread.
I’m not even sure what “too cool for Pentangle” means. I guess I would have to live in Bushwick to understand : )
“this next song is by somebody who has been reconsidered recently... and I think rightly so.... David Crosby.”
well, the default reaction to Crosby for years, even among many die-hard rockists, was “omg, lol @ fat, balding hippie, you suxor and your an incredible ass on top of everything else” and all of that’s true, but if you can get past his odious personality, he did make some great music w/ the Byrds, his solo debut is finally getting props (Xgau wept), and even his contributions to CSN(Y) are not bad, even tho i don’t really dig that band.
i once played the version of Dark Star on Dicks Picks 4 to a friend of mine and he said “Is it Pentangle?”
I don’t think he meant people were reconsidering Crosby’s personality or looks so I guess he meant the solo stuff. I still think it’s funny that Devendra thinks a member of the fucking BYRDS needs his reputation to be rehabilitated by a kid who’s playing dressup with mommy and daddy’s Cat Stevens records.
That’s funny—I recently made a prediction that CSNY were due for a hipster reappraisal. But you can almost predict those things by throwing darts at a wall of records.
People who are too cool for CSN can eat me.
i care not for DB and his quest to rehabiltate old hippies, but i don’t think you can deny that people’s generally poor opinion of Crosby as a person also caused them to dismiss a lot of his work, solo or not
I’m not even sure what “too cool for Pentangle” means. I guess I would have to live in Bushwick to understand : )
I DON’T LIVE ANYWHERE NEAR BUSHWICK.
After seeing Jansch last month, I’ve now seen 3/5 of them in the last year too.
are Cox/Thompson both still alive?? seems like it would totally make sense to do a reunion. McShee/Renbourn and Jansch were both wonderful. even if nobody showed up to McShee/Renbourn. I was kind of sad for them, there were like 30 people there. fuckin hipsters — i guess those people would be the sort of drillrods that ian might me referencing in the thread title; the people that need a nobody like banhardt to tell them what to do...
There are some fucking great Renbourn comps, too. I have some weird UK double repress of his first two that I love to death. As well as the Lady & The Unicorn, and Sir John A Lot Of.. they get as much play as Jansch does ’round my place. May have something to do with my owning fewer Jansch recs, but regardless...
dude, are hipsters required to see every aging 60s act? c’mon, that’s one giant strawman you’re building.
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i saw jansch/renbourn about 15 years ago, opening for june tabor. i can’t say their set was the most thrilling, but i’d probably be more into it now.
I’m not even sure what “too cool for Pentangle” means.
I mean I don’t really care if a particular person likes Pentangle or not. But it seems like you’d have to exist in a pretty narrow world to be able to eschew them specifically as posturing, let alone to know more than one person who does that.
dude, are hipsters required to see every aging 60s act? c’mon, that’s one giant strawman you’re building
oh, *totally* not!! BUT, when 30 of ’em show up for John Renbourn, and like 200 of them show up for Bert Jansch (cuz he’s got a rekkid on Drag City with Banhardt, see), then yeah it’s a great opportunity to call foul..
Bert Janch better than John Renbourn though.
fair point, in terms of the solo stuff! (although I doubt many of the indie throng have been hangin’ tough the last couple decades through Bert albs like Heartwork and Toy Balloon...) but in any case i found the two shows to be about equal in terms of goosebump quotient
John Renbourn live was >>>>>>>> than Bert Jansch Live. I think he probably has put out more good solo albums as well. When I saw Renbourn/McShee it was pretty well attended but it was at McCabes. So they did two sold-out sets to aging folkie types. Jansch at Arthur Nights was packed but only because there were a bunch of teenage girls and their parents waiting to see Devendra.
John Renbourn live was >>>>>>>> than Bert Jansch Live.
This was the case when I saw them both in the summer, yes. I also fizzed beer over Renbourn’s car (not deliberately) about half an hour before he played, while he was getting his guitar out of the back, and he thought it was funny
da, dap a doo daah daa, dap a doo dah da.
2007: David Crosby
2008: James Taylor
2009: Art Garfunkel
You heard it hear.
if JT or Artie did anything half as wacky & wonderful as If I Could Only Remember My Name then BRING IT ON
i’ve been a huge fan of james taylor because of “two-lane blacktop” for years and years.
If his lyrics consisted of Two Lane Blacktop dialogue I’d listen to him.
oh oh oh / make it three yards motherfucker / and we’ll have ourselves / hey hey hey / an automobile race
JT WILL SWARM ON ANY MOTHERFUCKER IN A BLUE UNIFORM
I WILL DESTROY YOU
that is an awesome fucking cover! i would hang it on my wall!
BUT, when 30 of ’em show up for John Renbourn, and like 200 of them show up for Bert Jansch (cuz he’s got a rekkid on Drag City with Banhardt, see)
I’m not American, but this sounds stupid to me. Jansch has a much higher visability than Renbourn, and I think has had since Pentangle broke up, and certainly in the last decade.
Toy Balloon came out on Cooking Vinyl, for instance, where many of “the indie throng” could encounter him for the first time back in the mid-nineties.
Jansch has a much higher visability than Renbourn, and I think has had since Pentangle broke up, and certainly in the last decade.
They’ve both been ignored by the mass of Americans until recently.
tim hardin died fer yer freakfolk sinz
“oh oh oh / make it three yards motherfucker / and we’ll have ourselves / hey hey hey / an automobile race”
best James Taylor song ever
i watched the JT tribute thing on PBS and it was all fine, but there wasn’t one person who managed to KICK ASS with a james taylor song. they just ain’t for ass kicking. india arie was pretty good. springsteen doing his best constipation routine on millworker was pretty painful.
I would say Renbourn has way more of a presence in used vinyl bins so maybe he sold more records in the US?
“there wasn’t one person who managed to KICK ASS with a james taylor song.”
Nico’s dead you know.
“I would say Renbourn has way more of a presence in used vinyl bins so maybe he sold more records in the US?”
renbourn had a good u.s. rekkerd deal. and even his later 70’s stuff not on major labels all came out here. i don’t know if that’s true of bert.
I think I know which one of the two Davy Graham would pick.
I got a copy of this for a few bucks at the Archive for Contemporary Music sale last week:
I never quite liked James Taylor but I could see the revival happening. The Garfunkel thing was a joke, obv.
that Albion record has some great songs on it, tho the production/arrangements are not always the best
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