can we count joanna newsom as dadrock?

Dadrock > Diplo

At this point, Diplo’s doing production work for Didgeridoo-playing Australian 12-year-olds and writing cute songs about smoking pot. I think the man deserves a seat.

Joanna Newsom is def. Dadrock. Long songs = IMPRESSIVE!

Joanna Newsom was dadrock from word one.

Arent you guys thinking of TradRock? I always thought Dad Rock had to be made prior to Dire Straits ‘money for nothing’...that was the last Rock song my dad ever liked anyway...Besides most mainstream dad’s dont really have time to find new music to listen to, that’s why they stick with the standards...

my dad liked the islands album, too.

i thought the who’s new album was pretty good.

no fucking way is joanna newsom dad rock!

i dunno matt, wasnt she on npr?

Joanna Newsom is total dadrock, which frustrates the closet dadrockers who love Ys to pieces

i heart neko case, and i’m pretty sure she’s 100% dadrock.

all songs considered (or whatever) pretty much defines dadrock, i think. whenever my mom (or some other old fart) sends me an email about the Hold Steady or something, a little part of me dies.

average dad on ys: “What the hell is this woman caterwauling about?”

whenever my mom (or some other old fart) sends me an email about the Hold Steady or something, a little part of me dies.

oh boo fucking hoo, are you like 17?

last year some freshman friend of friend called steely dan “dadrock” when i put them on and said “eww” and i said “f off scumbag” and now she likes steely dan. i thought dadrock was something she invented.

oh boo fucking hoo, are you like 17?

well, yeah

my standard definition of dadrock: has the artist appeared, or could they potentially appear, on NPR?

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well there you go...if you want to shock your parents you should prolly stop listening to band that sound like john cafferty & the beaver brown band fronted by elvis costello with a dude that looks like george costanzas lil bro as the singer.

have you looked into death metal? crunk?

plus i always thought it was cool when my dad tried to take an interest in the music i liked...

Is Rev Horton Heat dadrock yet?

(My dad has seen them 13 times now.)

it will be soon enough

matt: just making jokes, dude. will maps be playing at all soon? i’m gonna be back in the cities for a few days in about a week

haha it’s all good.

nah we’re kinda done for 06...been playing too much lately. some stuff in jan but that’s it. we need new songz.

“last year some freshman friend of friend called steely dan ”dadrock“ when i put them on and said ”eww“ and i said ”f off scumbag“ and now she likes steely dan. i thought dadrock was something she invented.”

this story is practically a Steely Dan song in itself.

so it’s not dadrock these days as much as it is thirtysomething urban uppermiddleclassers rock

Since when do dads listen to NPR??? Actually, I just became a dad earlier this year and even I dont listen to that sad sack sap...

PEW = dadrock

Sonically,, what seperates DadRock from other Rock???

helgeson OTM. Ys = pretty far away from dadrock. Rolling Stone magazine: “Hard to stomach.”

Or course, I feel that way, too, but for different reasons than RS.

no one actually reads RS anymore, do they?

van dyke parks produced it, tho!!

(not even old burnout rocker dads!)

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have you looked into death metal? crunk?

of course, xgau gave crunk extended play on npr a few weeks ago. lil jon is now dadrock. (and i’m a dad who listens to both npr and lil jon, so...there you go.)

dadjazz:

dave brubeck

my standard definition of dadrock: has the artist appeared, or could they potentially appear, on NPR?

Do people even listen to NPR before they say stuff like this? I mean, by this definition Aesop Rock (and I’m pretty sure Ghostface) are “dadrock.”

i remember hearing fugazi as bumper music on npr back in the day.

yeah, aesop rock, public enemy, mos def = dadrap

people’s parents like AESOP ROCK???? people’s parents have HEARD OF AESOP ROCK???

are the dudes that started pitchfork already having kids?

maybe were talking abt different dads.

i’m just saying has aesop rock ever sold like more than 20,000 records?

public enemy and whatever stuff i could see but damn

noize board is teeming with dads. is excepter dadrock?

my dad has said no

although someone said their new album was more “accessible”

:/

i love the cap’ns-save-a-npr these threads always bring out. keep on fighting the good fight, well-educated, middleclass urbanites!

i only listen to sports talk radio.

here’s KFAN’s general vibe on bumper music:

Mike Morris & the Power Trip Morning Show: Bad nu-metal-ish stuff, classic hard rock (ac/dc etc)

PA & Dubay: classic 70s R&B, Sanford&Son theme, Good Times theme, Pick up the Pieces by Average White Band, Green Onions for the Sports Updates...UNLESS PA is gone and Dubay has the show, then it’s Beatles, Zeppelin, Dave Matthews, Oasis

Dan “The Common Man” Cole—70s stuff, has a wierd affection for the lost Eric Burdon & the Animals psych record “Sky Pilot”, classic rock overall

Chad Hartman—A little more diverse, has a big thing for The Suburbs, old school Mpls new wave band that was probably big when he was in his early 20s

Bumper to Bumper w/Dan Barrero—Blues, some jazz, classic R&B (more Spinners style vocal groups)...seems to keep up to date on modern blues artists I haven’t heard of...did mention Beefheart on air once (!!!)

Sludge & Lake—Lake likes classic era hip hop and newer groups with that vibe like Roots and Kanye...The Message by Furious Five is the into music...Sludge is OBSESSED WITH 311, also plays modern active rock crap I don’t know..

I heard regular sub host Paul Charchian play Tortoise once, which is pretty wierd in the context of the station, he also likes Soul Coughing a lot

brian oake made everything sound like dadrock

and isn’t a safe bet that shit like BUSH and Nickelback and Hinder and whoever will be the next generation’s dadrock?

This thread is so weird. I was under the impression dadrock was the safe end of classic rock, stuff like John Cougar Mellencamp and Tom Petty. (Steely Dan would qualify.) Wasn’t that how it was used in old ILM?

(Of course, my Dad mostly listens to Sanskrit mantras.)

brian oake made everything sound like dadrock

— baby wizard sex (reduhnekkisssss...), December 16th, 2006.

hahaha

i love the cap’ns-save-a-npr these threads always bring out.

right like bashing npr isn’t about the most boring thing you can do on ilx. (i bash it too sometimes — it’s pretty bashable — but if i’m going to have people on my radio talking it’s more likely to be that than anything else.)

keep on fighting the good fight, well-educated, middleclass urbanites!

as opposed to who else exactly is on ilx?

THE DROPOUT THRED

yes i can see that thread is full of dockworkers and used-car salesmen.

not that i object to the reflexive self-loathing of the bourgeoisie. it’s probably a good thing. just don’t miss the “self-” part.

“right like bashing npr isn’t about the most boring thing you can do on ilx.”

i thought that was pitchfork/indie-rock bashing

I was under the impression dadrock was the safe end of classic rock, stuff like John Cougar Mellencamp and Tom Petty. (Steely Dan would qualify.)

Dads need a current generation of rockers.

This thread perfectly illistrates why the world so desperately needs Rockism—so we can attempt to clearly define such terms as DadRock...

http://blog.myspace.com/paulewagemann

Dads need a current generation of rockers

Are most over-40 Petty/Mellencamp fans listening to Aesop Rock and Joanna Newsom or are they listening to John Mayer and Coldplay?

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Bob Boilen, who picks out music for the bumper segments on NPR“s All Things Considered,” played synths and keyboards for early ’80s DC art-rock/new wave/punk band Tiny Desk Unit (I never liked ’em very much fwiw). Boilen also is in charge of NPR“S online ‘All Songs Considered’ which specializes in friendly indie-rock concerts.

my GF’s dad rocks all eras of Bon Jovi all the time. occasional CSNY, but pretty much Bon Jovi all the time.

my dad only listens to jazz and NPR.

based on the over-40 petty/mellencamp fans i know, they are listening to recent neil young albums, the cat empire, my morning jacket, drive-by truckers and kt tunstall.

(and dylan, but that hardly needs saying)

My dad, once, after a couple of beers: “When Bob Seger sings about Hollywood nights, I know what he’s talking about; I had a few of those nights myself! And I also like that Spring Brucesteen record, put that on.”

Spring Brucesteen

this is an example of my Dad’s humor when stone cold sober.

I’m sort of a dock worker, I work on tug boats. I also listen to NPR. Are you guys seriously making fun of people who listen to the news?

not me!

haha xpost grady maybe we are secretly brothers

since when is NPR the news?

I think maybe Bob Seger and John Melloncamp should now be termed as GrandDad Rock...

since every other radio station began carrying exclusively local news or two sentence blurbs on national and world news

unless you have satellite radio, which looks to have a dozen or so individual news stations

I’m sort of a dock worker, I work on tug boats.

awesome. do you get to blow the horn?

i love tug boats. we should have a tug boat thread.

since every other radio station began carrying exclusively local news or two sentence blurbs on national and world news

good point...

whenever my mom (or some other old fart) sends me an email about the Hold Steady or something, a little part of me dies.

This is how I felt when my uncle offered me some acetate by a bunch of junkies called the Velvet Underground when I was 10 years old. I thought the music was kidstuff. Now it’s selling for five figures. Humanity has shitty taste.

dadrock album of the year has gotta be eric clapton and jj cale’s ‘the road to escondito’

I meant to ask if people really listen to NPR to discover music or even because of the music? I like Market Place. The guy talks about business in a somewhat offhand way, as if he knows how ridiclous his subjects are. And I like the guy with the robot voice. I can’t remember his name.

A tug boat thread would be fun. I work on the mississippi river. I don’t get to blow the horn though. I’m only a deck hand.

I think in old-school ILX, dad-rock was supposed to be Paul Weller and a bunch other people like him who no one outside of England has ever heard of. No one I know, dad or otherwise, listens to that stuff.

‘Dadrock’ is way old, probably coined by the NME around the time all those Oasis Weller Scene acts became a trend in a half-hearted attempt to disown their influence (c/o Britpop) in the sudden fashionability of some of the most truly mediocre dullard fucks ever to pick up guitars.

or as Geir would have it the best time for music EVAR.

dad rock defined for 2006:

http://www.newswiretoday.com/news/11863/

The Music Box’s Best Albums of 2006

1) Bob Dylan—Modern Times

2) Neko Case—Fox Confessor Brings the Flood

3) T Bone Burnett—The True False Identity

4) Elton John—The Captain & The Kid

5) Willie Nelson—You Don’t Know Me: The Songs of Cindy Walker

6) Johnny Cash—American V: A Hundred Highways

7) Ray LaMontagne—Till the Sun Turns Black

8) Neil Young—Living with War

9) Pearl Jam—Pearl Jam

10) The Decemberists—The Crane Wife

11) Belle & Sebastian—The Life Pursuit

12) Mark Knopfler & Emmylou Harris—All the Roadrunning

13) Elvis Costello & Allen Toussaint—The River in Reverse

14) Josh Rouse—Subtitulo

15) The Stills—Without Feathers

more: http://www.musicbox-online.com/2006.html

today’s holiday gift CD picks on CBS’s Sunday Morning show: Cat Power, David Crosby Reissue, John Phillips reissue, Beatle’s Love, Brazilian Girls, some R&B singer i can’t remember, and that woman who did the album with Leonard Cohen.

That Love album looks kinda interesting: I’m a bit of a Beatles completists though...I already have the David Crosby and John Phillips LPS...

The “dadrock” meme is a little long in the tooth, isn’t it? What a lot of gen-x-ers persist in calling dadrock is now really more like granddadrock. Actual dadrock— music actual dads might listen to, in 2006, in actual

SUVs— is more likely to be stuff like Prince, Poison, or the Cure. Nice last try, though, using this hoary strawman as one’s musical Picture of Dorian Gray.

I always thought Dadrock was made by new artists trying to sound like Classic rock artists—so that when someone like Stephen King or Dave Barry writes a column about how new music suxx they can include a line like “But at least (Oasis/Lenny Kravitz/Marah/Coldplay) is fighting to keep rock alive.”

ocean colour scene’s first record was kinda shoegazey, then they became the flagbearers for dadrock. but i suppose it was all of these bands trying to imitate oasis’ lameness, bands like ocs, ride(later model), hurricane #1, heavy stereo, etc...i suppose the coral could be dadrock these days.

What about dad’s who hate NPR (not an active hate, but a lingering comfortable hate that sits unacted upon unless my mom leaves it on the radio for more than ten seconds, to which he simply requests “Please turn it from this liberal propaganda bullshit”)? For that matter, what about dad’s who are republicans? Like my dad, who would presumably fall into the very early stages of baby boomerdom, who rejects the principles of his generation (ie hates hippies) and thus can’t swallow NPR and it’s taste.

My dad hates every band mentioned here except Steely Dan and maybe Dire Straits. Aren’t most dad’s (outside the ILM hemisphere) ornery about popular music? Rather, haven’t most dad’s solidified their musical tastes into a small well-worn petrified nugget of a handful of has-been stagnated artists? For instance, I can’t imagine most fathers who listen to Steely Dan consistently have more than six CD’s in their automobiles. And it’s likely of those six you’d find Doobie Brothers, “Nightfly,” Oh Brother Where Art Thou soundtrack, Larry Carlton, a beach music or Motown compilation, and Average White Band. This seems to me to be common dadrocking material. And because I don’t believe that most dad’s get anything new, other than new albums by familiar artists (but not similar artists), because they don’t care and they simply don’t like younger or newer artists, I kind of reject the notion of a dad rock genre. However, most of these bands listed sound like bands dad’s would like. I’m surprised Wilco hasn’t been mentioned because I would assume they would be Dadrock messiah’s. Jeff Tweedy makes all his money playing solo shows for guys who had to beg their wives for a night off and get permission to drive into the city.

So, if dadrock is defined as “the music most dad’s listen to,” then I think this is all wrong. If we define it as, “band’s that sound like dad’s would like” then I think I understand (like fernandez said—always thought Dadrock was made by new artists trying to sound like Classic rock artists). I still can’t imagine getting behind a fifty four year-old man in line at Best Buy saying to his daughter, “I really think that that Crane Wifey one or whatever was better than that picture one was. Your mother hates it though.”

I wonder what dads make of this.

I still can’t imagine getting behind a fifty four year-old man in line at Best Buy saying to his daughter, “I really think that that Crane Wifey one or whatever was better than that picture one was. Your mother hates it though.”

Would he be a corny old indiefart?

mitch good buddy i don’t have any problem with your post but please, please stop using apostrophes to make plurals. they’re like tiny daggers in my eyes.

the Neil Young & Crazy Horse Live at the Fillmore East owns the the fucking zone!!!

it’s a fucking crime that this is only six songs long though! neil yr suck a dicktease!

12 minutes of down by the river makes me want to start smoking ganj again though....

Dadrock: rocking harder than punk and metal since 1970

mitch good buddy i don’t have any problem with your post but please, please stop using apostrophes to make plurals. they’re like tiny daggers in my eyes.

Reading posts where anal people point out grammar flaws on a frickin message board is like tiny daggars in my anus...

Splot the deliferate mistale.

Poor Man’s Comstock.

Dadrock has to change every decade or so, in terms of the bands it describes. Steely Dan may one have been dadrock, but the dudes who were jamming Can’t Buy a Thrill in ’72 are now in their 50s or 60s. Thus the Dan are borderline granddad rock, and more culturally relevant as something for histers to reappropriate than for them to revile as tired shit fit only for suburban Clydes.

No, real (American) dadrock at this moment is the stuff that was being put out 10–20 years later. Mid-to-late 80s and early 90s rock. Stuff that rockin’ dads in their 40s grew up on and now wax all misty-eyed about in an attempt to grossitate their children:

U2

R.E.M.

Pavement

Guided By Voices

The Replacements

And, as others have mentioned, their musical offspring:

My Morning Jacket

The Hold Steady

Cat Power

Spoon

Drive-By-Truckers

Neko Case

except none of the indie bands on the list really ever sold enough to become a cultural touchstone outside of hipster ville...

REM and U2, sure...but what about Guns n’ Roses, Crue, etc etc? those things SOLD like the old classic rock touchstones that formed the original dadrock.

I mean, if yr gonna add 90s alt rock stuff, it should be Nirvana and Pearl Jam, etc, not Guided by Voices.

and instead of spoon and drive by truckers, the dadrock being made today is probably Coldplay and Matchbox 20

or eminem and limp bizkit from a couple yrs ago

mitch good buddy i don’t have any problem with your post but please, please stop using apostrophes to make plurals. they’re like tiny daggers in my eyes.

Reading posts where anal people point out grammar flaws on a frickin message board is like tiny daggars in my anus...

hey, when you quote someone, could you put their statement in quotes? thanks.

“hey, when you quote someone, could you put their statement in quotes? thanks.”

And could everyone capitalize the first word of each sentence, please?

Reading posts where anal people point out grammar flaws on a frickin message board is like tiny daggars in my anus...

dude i don’t even use capital letters*. my message-board standards are low. but apostrophe-plurals is like COMMUNICATIONS TERRORISM. someone has to take a stand.

* = except to emphasize phrases like COMMUNICATIONS TERRORISM.

(i’m just trying to help the guy. he seems bright enough, and i don’t want his apostrophe misuse to cause someone (like, say, me) to not hire him for a job he might otherwise qualify for.)

Yeah, Nirvana, G n’ R and Pearl Jam belong there, along with the likes of Matchbox 20 and Coldplay. I went for GBV, Pavement and Spoon because I’m of dadrocking age, and those are the DR bands that actually mean something to me and my people. Plus, dadrock is a damning term, and there’s no point in damning stuff that no one wants to defend...

lesson of this thread = dads are bad

(or “kids are always afraid of liking what their parents like”)

my dad like CCR and the Stones, so i have nothing but thankful thoughts!

he always told me to check out crown of creation by jefferson airplane but i never have.

actually CCR was the first band i ever liked cuz my parents had chronicle on vinyl. so maybe my musical taste has been all downhill since the beginning!

yeah my only complaints with my dad’s taste is what he excluded, not what he included. the stuff he likes is all good, but i had to fill in my ownself on the stuff he either didn’t like or didn’t know (e.g. his appreciation of classic r&b and soul never made it past james brown into funk). but i mean, he introduced me to everyone from the carter family to captain beefheart.

right right, there’s plenty of stuff in my dad’s collection that I love too (the Kinks, for example). but the entire concept of “Dadrock” is predicated on the assumptions that 1) the current generation is inherently “cooler” than the previous generation, and by extension 2) the previous generation’s tastes are worthy of derision. Both of which are completely fucking stupid.

a la: “dude that shit is lame, your DAD likes it”

Poor Man’s Comstock.
— Marcello Carlin

But “Comstock” is the rich man’s Hongro!

“Dadrock” is one of the more intriguing of all the terms I’d never heard before I started hanging out here. Is there such a thing as “dadrap”? (The first rapper my own 60ish dad expressed any enthusiasm for was Tone Loc, altho he thought the Fat Boys were good for a laugh.)

Hahahaha okay indie-rock dominance of the internet has truly warped public consciousness if anyone anywhere seriously thinks any significant number of American fathers have ever given a shit about Pavement or the Replacements. This is important: Just because dorks talk about these bands all the time doesn’t mean normal people care. I mean, geez, I’m guessing that if you went by the sales numbers, minivan-drivers would be more likely to be listening to past-their-prime Hootie records than Slanted and Enchanted.

(U2, though, yes, totally U2.)

Hahahaha okay indie-rock dominance of the internet has truly warped public consciousness if anyone anywhere seriously thinks any significant number of American fathers Americans have ever given a shit about Pavement or the Replacements.

Yeah, yeah, I agree that Hootie Hoot was (perhaps still is) vastly more popular than Pavement. But who gives a shit about Hootie at this point? There’s no point in calling Hootie dadrock. A) It’s self-evident; B) There’s no reason to talk about Hootie in the first place; and C) If you did wanna talk about Hootie, you’d probably find a more devastating rebuke.

Dadrock is a term of mild derision. In geeky internet discussions, it’s useful for sneering at once-hip bands with a certain measure of perma-cred that are nonetheless starting to feel a bit long in the tooth. Especially if the bands in question were rather dangerously pleasant to begin with.

Hence, Pavement.

dangerously pleasant

haha! that’s an awesome phrase! that’s exactly the sentiment behind dadrock!

“This music is dangerously close to something a normal person might actually enjoy...it must be hunted down and destroyed”

Monty, DadRap is simply called “Old School”...Tone Loc rules btw...

Is Metal Machine Music dadrock?

nope. dadnoise maybe.

My college friend Ann, at her wedding reception, 1991: “Do you know how hard it is to be a high school rebel when your dad sits around listening to the Velvet Underground?”

The Dadrock council has been meeting at an undisclosed location for the past seven days. They are now ready to announce their top ten artists for 2006.

Bear in mind that the old Knopfler/Seger/Petty/Springsteen contingent are now Granddad rockers.

Criteria:

1. Debut must have been in the 1990s or 2000s*

2. Must sell respectably. Need not be Hootie-esque sales figures, but dads are too busy to be listening to the likes of Pavement or Archers of Loaf side projects.

3. Must not use too many synthesizers or samplers or any other fruity instruments. Dads like guitars.

In no order:

Ryan Adams (but preferably Whiskeytown)

Wilco

*Jayhawks (debut was in 1989 but we’ll let them slide)

Neko Case

Five For Fighting

Radiohead

Decemberists (#1 NPR record of the year automatically gets you in)

Paul Westerberg

Coldplay

Pete Yorn

petty stayed pretty popular well into the 90s.

people still know who pete yorn is?

i don’t believe the jayhawks are a band anymore.

and decemberists are WAAAAYYYY to poncy for dadz that like football and shit. MAN LAW=“People that use the word pantaloon aren’t dadrock”

by the way, the nation of ex frat dudes and college guys raising families would be shocked we didn’t say these guys first:

That’s true—I know a dad (29 or 30 years-old) who falls under this “modern dadrock” paradigm. He used to go to Phish concerts (but only likes their albums for some reason, total Dad move), hung out with frat guys in Charlottesville, VA that raved about a new band at the time called the Dave Matthews Band, switches Pixies CDs bi-weekly with his wife in their respective cars, will randomly recite Cypress Hill lyrics, and is kind of tired of listening to Rush from playing it to death for the past twelve years. I think this is, more or less, the modern day dadrockist—foundations of classic rock/frat rock and early nineties hip-hop with once-maybe-still-popular derivatives from the mid-to-late nineties college years and beyond.

haha Patrick OTM actually.

Whose Dads are we talking about? I was assuming the term referred to Dads of people who are old enough to make fun of “Dadrock,” i.e Dads of people in their teens and twenties, not 27-year-olds who are new fathers? Points taken though.

Howza bout Momrock? Depeche Mode? The Cure?

And what of Gay Dadrock?

My own dad (who is not, like, a million years-old) stopped paying attention to rock and roll sometime before The Beatles, so people like Springsteen or Steely Dan being decribed on here as “grandad-rock” just baffles the hell out of me.

ROFL @ “Gay Dadrock”

“described”, that is.

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Also, nabisco OTM as usual—whose CDs sell better in truckstops, My Morning Jacket, or the Doobie Brothers?

(my dad once described Joe Cocker as “young people’s music”. JOE COCKER!)

I have a lot of reverence and unironic affection for the music I grew up hearing in my dad’s car (Little Feat, Steely Dan, the Doobie Brothers), so I was never able to really get on the wagon that most Dadrock is a bad thing to begin with. But then, I remember getting laughed out of the room when I complained that ILM’s 70’s poll was too light on classic rock.