http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6205786.stm
Do you remember the days when a radical new comedy person would be actively avoided when it came to giving out presenting jobs? And nowadays, they are given them IMMEDIATELY!?
(I quite like him, it’s just “neuter by familiarity” or is it?)
Let’s all be amazed at the awesome ratings for Russell Brand’s recent shows.
Last episode of Russell Brand’s Got Issues on E4: 58,000 people
Last episode of his prime time C4 talk show: 400,000
HE’S LESS POPULAR THAN NATHAN FUCKING BARLEY
even if he was pulling in the highest ratings ever he’d still be awful.
But this is the thing, I can understand giving some cunt like, I dunno, Chris Moyles the gig because for all his abhorrence he’s a popular guy who has a decent fanbase. Russell Brand’s PR guy/girl must be the world’s most talented individual, they could probably get Ian Huntley a hosting gig on Ministry Of Mayhem.
well this has been obvious for some time now, the fucker’s everywhere!
anyway i can’t get over this sentence:
It saw James Blunt named as best pop act, the Arctic Monkeys winning the breakthrough prize and Coldplay’s Speed of Sound taking the single of the year award.
russell brand is quite good at some things. but the ‘got issues’ prog was awful, and this will be car-crash.
C4 once again realising too late that Graham Norton was their Ant and Dec.
(or Graham Norton once again realising too late etc.)
i would rather have brand than moyles anyway, precisely because he’s not really that popular. more chance of PUBLIC HUMILIATION and collective pointing-and-laughing. moyles up there would just confirm that he really is well-liked, and that would make me start hating people, and i don’t like to hate people.
But previous to that sentence...
Last year’s ceremony was hosted by another BBC Radio 2 DJ, Chris Evans.
This answers “How did RB get it?” and also “Blimey, this year was better, wasn’t it? WASN’T IT?”
Remember that the first ceremony (1978?) was co-hosted by Anne Diamond and DLT.
the cult of brand, on the streets of north london, is certainly... a phenomenon.
disturbing, if anything.
xpost to Marc Was that the one where Ian Dury won one to general tutting, especially his shoult to “WOYOY BASHER!!” (i.e. Nick Lowe, and not some unsavoury gangster type)
Suddenly I *really* want Oasis to win a Brit award because I can’t imagine anyone likelier to be cuntishly rude to Russell Brand onstage.
(Please tell me Liam Gallagher and Russell Brand aren’t mates or something!)
Noel G to Rod S on Parkinson...
“Russel’s a mate, he’s a bit cheeky but there’s no harm in him, really.”
Suddenly I *really* want Oasis to win a Brit award because I can’t imagine anyone likelier to be cuntishly rude to Russell Brand onstage.
winehouse? lallen?
brand’s real weakspot is his fondness for rubbish guitar music, so i guess he’ll be like a pig in shit here.
he had allen on his show and licked her talentless arse.
Hasn’t Gallagher been modelling himself on Brand though? i.e wearing skinny jeans and a moth eaten silk scarf.
that’s right!
xpost to Marc Was that the one where Ian Dury won one to general tutting, especially his shoult to “WOYOY BASHER!!” (i.e. Nick Lowe, and not some unsavoury gangster type)
— M Grout (mark.grou...), December 4th, 2006.
The very one.
Y’see, that’s my point.
The establishment Should be tutting and puffing the awards that go to actually vital and interesting recipients.
Not celebrating another Annie Lennox gong. (although, remember how the Eurythmics never got any as they weren’t a group and couldn’t be counted as a solo singer either)
Thesedays, we’re all cool, trendy, with-it and funky. Even the accountants. Especially the accountants.
Surely Sting is the accountants choice?
You are sadly mistaken, it’s all Arctic Monkeys round their way.
did that lute album sell? doubt it. your proverbial accountants like scissor sisters and snow patrol and lily allen. there’s nothing alternative about those acts.
Well, being cool, trendetc is all in the eye of the beholder in the mirror anyway.
I always used to love that bloke who always came on with his two red setters.
What happened exactly at last year’s awards? That article says their televised presentation was shambolic, a fiasco, etc. but surely that’s interesting, i.e. eminently tune-innable?
wiki doesn’t rate it. it certainly didn’t live up to its list of:
3 Selected famous and infamous Brit Award incidents
3.1 Ronnie Wood vs Brandon Block (2000)
3.2 Robbie Williams vs Liam Gallagher (2000)
3.3 Belle & Sebastian beat Steps to best newcomer award (1999)
3.4 Chumbawamba throw water over John Prescott (1998)
3.5 Jarvis Cocker’s stage invasion during Michael Jackson’s Earth Song (1996)
3.6 The KLF, a machine gun and a dead sheep (1992)
3.7 The Sam Fox and Mick Fleetwood “car crash” (1989)
but, for fans of alternative music, this was the only brit ceremony that mattered:
nothing happened last year iirc. the ‘shambolic fiasco etc.’ was reference to the ’89 awards. the decision to broadcast them live seems more an act of desperation to make it exciting rather than a genuine understanding of how to televise a good awards show well.
Oh I see; I misread that part
Awards show HAVE to be live to hold any interest whatsoever
not when you have a fantastic mash-up of ‘crazy in love’ and ‘hey ya’ to look forward to.
Remember that the first ceremony (1978?) was co-hosted by Anne Diamond and DLT
Sue Lawley wasn’t it? Back when it was the, er, Nationwide Rock & Pop Awards.
Yeah, Sue Lawley seems more likely, but then Marc’s rarely wrong.
I don’t think Diamond made it to national television until breakfast TV started in the UK, circa 83. Anyway, I remember Lawley hosting this show.
googling suggests it was lawley as the thing was on ‘nationwide’.
nominee predictions (winners marked by asterisk):
male
ROBBIE WILLIAMS*
JAMES MORRISON
LEMAR
PAOLO NUTINI
THOM YORKE
female
SANDI THOM
AMY WINEHOUSE*
LILY ALLEN
EMMA BUNTON
JAMELIA
group
RAZORLIGHT
THE KOOKS / THE FEELING
KEANE
MUSE
THE ARCTIC MONKEYS*
album
RAZORLIGHT
KEANE
ROBBIE WILLIAMS
MUSE
THE ARCTIC MONKEYS*
single
RAZORLIGHT—AMERICA
THE KOOKS—NAIVE
MUSE—SUPERMASSIVE BLACK HOLE
LILY ALLEN—SMILE
GNARLS BARKLEY—CRAZY*
breakthrough
THE KOOKS
THE FEELING
GNARLS BARKLEY*
PAOLO NUTINI
JAMES MORRISON
urban
LEMAR
GNARLS BARKLEY
THE STREETS
ALESHA
BASEMENT JAXX*
rock
RAZORLIGHT
THE FRATELLIS
KEANE
MUSE
THE ARCTIC MONKEYS*
live
ROBBIE WILLIAMS
MUSE*
GNARLS BARKLEY
KEANE
THE ARCTIC MONKEYS
pop
GIRLS ALOUD
WESTLIFE
ROBBIE WILLIAMS
MCFLY*
THE PET SHOP BOYS
int male
AKON
JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE*
MEAT LOAF
BOB SINCLAR
P DIDDY
int female
PINK
NELLY FURTADO*
BEYONCE
SHAKIRA
NERINA PALLOT
int group
SCISSOR SISTERS*
THE KILLERS
THE RACONTEURS
RED HOT CHILI PEPPERS
MY CHEMICAL ROMANCE
int album
SCISSOR SISTERS*
THE KILLERS
JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE
BEYONCE
RED HOT CHILI PEPPERS
int break
MY CHEMICAL ROMANCE*
ORSON
THE RACONTEURS
NERINA PALLOT
NE*YO
Muse COULD dislodge AMs for some awards and Snow Patrol may oust The Kooks or The Feeling for some noms tho it would be funny if they did end up overlooked completely (not that the Kooks or Feeling or any better).
Riveting stuff!
Kasabian might also squeeze into a couple of cats (rock, live). Depends on whether they do five or six noms for the bigger awards.
Why are Gnarls Barkley nominated? Is Cee Lo secretely from Cleethorpes or something?
Lemar = urban = roffles.
shit, i keep thinking Dangermouse is British
Gnarls will win Best Int Breakthru then = DEVASTATING BLOW FOR EMOISTS
paolo nutini = cryingeagle.jpg = nuclear holocaust in nought point two seconds
it’s tonight. er yay. mmm british people all left offices now i guess.
British Male Solo Artist
Artist
James Morrison
Jarvis Cocker
Lemar
Paolo Nutini
Thom Yorke
British Female Solo Artist
Artist
Amy Winehouse
Corinne Bailey Rae
Jamelia
Lily Allen
Nerina Pallot
British Group
Arctic Monkeys
Kasabian
Muse
Razorlight
Snow Patrol
British Album
Amy Winehouse Back to Black
Arctic Monkeys Whatever People Say I Am, That’s What I’m Not
Lily Allen Alright, Still
Muse Black Holes And Revelations
Snow Patrol Eyes Open
British Single Shortlist
Corinne Bailey Rae Put Your Records On Eliminated (Round 1)
The Feeling Fill My Little World Nominated
James Morrison You Give Me Something Eliminated (Round 2)
The Kooks She Moves In Her Own Way Eliminated (Round 1)
Leona Lewis A Moment Like This Eliminated (Round 2)
Lily Allen Smile Eliminated (Round 2)
Razorlight America Nominated
Sandi Thom I Wish I Was A Punk Rocker Eliminated (Round 1)
Snow Patrol Chasing Cars Nominated
Take That Patience Nominated
Will Young All Time Love Nominated
British Breakthrough Act
Corinne Bailey Rae
The Fratellis
James Morrison
The Kooks
Lily Allen
British Live Act
George Michael
Guillemots
Kasabian
Muse
Robbie Williams
International Male Solo Artist
Beck
Bob Dylan
Damien Rice
Jack Johnson
Justin Timberlake
International Female Solo Artist
Beyoncé
Cat Power
Christina Aguilera
Nelly Furtado
Pink
International Group
The Flaming Lips
Gnarls Barkley
The Killers
Red Hot Chili Peppers
Scissor Sisters
International Album
Bob Dylan Modern Times
Gnarls Barkley St Elsewhere
Justin Timberlake FutureSex/LoveSounds
The Killers Sam’s Town
Scissor Sisters Ta-Dah
International Breakthrough Act
Gnarls Barkley
Orson
The Raconteurs
Ray Lamontagne
Wolfmother
Outstanding Contribution To Music
Artist Presenter
Oasis Ringo Starr
(Spoilers!)
________________________________________________
RUNNING ORDER
Start 8pm Finish 10pm
RUSSELL BRAND WELCOMES
PERFORMANCE: SCISSOR SISTERS—I DON’T FEEL LIKE DANCING
AWARD: BRITISH LIVE ACT, PRESENTED BY KEITH ALLEN
PERFORMANCE: SNOW PATROL—CHASING CARS
AWARD: BRITISH BREAKTHROUGH ACT, PRESENTED BY JARVIS COCKER
AWARD: INTERNATIONAL BREAKTHROUGH ACT, PRESENTED BY TONI COLLETTE
PERFORMANCE: AMY WINEHOUSE—REHAB
AWARD: BRITISH MALE SOLO ARTIST, PRESENTED BY JOSS STONE
AWARD: INTERNATIONAL MALE SOLO ARTIST, PRESENTED BY ERIN O’CONNER AND ROLAND MOURET
PERFORMANCE: THE KILLERS—“WHEN YOU WERE YOUNG“
AWARD: BRITISH FEMALE SOLO ARTIST, PRESENTED BY JO WHILEY
AWARD: INTERNATIONAL FEMALE SOLO ARTIST, PRESENTED BY RICKY WILSON
PERFORMANCE: TAKE THAT—“PATIENCE”
AWARD: BRITISH GROUP, PRESENTED BY ANTHONY HEAD
AWARD:INTERNATIONAL GROUP, PRESENTED BY SOPHIE ELLIS-BEXTOR AND STEVEN TYLER
PEFORMANCE: RED HOT CHILI PEPPERS -“DANI CALIFORNIA“
AWARD: INTERNATIONAL ALBUM, PRESENTED BY SIMON PEGG AND NICK FROST
PERFORMANCE: CORRINE BAILEY RAE—“PUT YOUR RECORDS ON”
AWARD: BRITISH SINGLE (VOTED LIVE ON AIR BY VIEWERS), PRESENTED BY ALLEN CARR
AWARD: MASTERCARD BRITISH ALBUM, PRESENTED BY SEAN BEAN
PEFORMANCE: OASIS—“CIGARETTES & ALCOHOL“/“MEANING OF SOUL”/“MORNING GLORY“/DON’T LOOK BACK IN ANGER”/“ROCK AND ROLL STAR“
_______________________________________
wow the live acts are really dispiriting. last year there was kanye and prince at least.
shall we run a book on how long it is before keith allen mentions lily? i’ll start the bidding at 5 seconds.
AWARD: BRITISH SINGLE (VOTED LIVE ON AIR BY VIEWERS), PRESENTED BY ALLEN CARR
Wow.
PREDICTIONS
British Male Solo Artist
James Morrison
British Female Solo Artist
Corinne Bailey Rae
British Group
Arctic Monkeys
British Album
Snow Patrol Eyes Open
British Single Shortlist
Take That Patience
British Breakthrough Act
Lily Allen
British Live Act
Robbie Williams
International Male Solo Artist
Jack Johnson
International Female Solo Artist
Pink
International Group
Scissor Sisters
International Album
The Killers Sam’s Town
International Breakthrough Act
Gnarls Barkley
me prediction are well wrong. the show is not very good. not even good bad just very mediocre, very trying, very 2007.
Brand is the best thing about this shindig. So much for the ‘it’s gonna be live—anything can happen!!’ it’s been all “thanks to Sony/EMI and everyone in the marketing department, bye now” so far.
So far...
I watched nelly furtado win a prize and take that sing some tune when I was waiting for my takeaway a little while ago. It all looked pretty boring. Why does any “international” act waste their time coming to this? the takeaway was good, at least.
No-one gives/gave a shit about the brits ’07, evidently.
“Surely Sting is the accountants choice?”
“You are sadly mistaken, it’s all Arctic Monkeys round their way.”
No it fuckin’ ain’t.
What was in your takeaway Norman?
Sadly I don’t think anyone got my Sting-Accountants joke.
king prawns and chicken w/tomatoes, boiled rice. Very tasty, lots of garlic.
Russell Brand isn’t very funny, is he? By which I mean, not actually funny at all.
Yeah, but sometimes he might reference his gentials by a comedy nickname, or namedrop a cultura commentator who has no relevance to the discussion in hand, so that puts him ahead of Mark Dolan at least.
I don’t even know who Mark Dolan is ([/lex]). (which I guess also puts Brand ahead of him)
what got me about the whole show was how they seemed to be striving for some kind of illusion of edginess. also russell brand managed to sound completely bored throughout the whole thing which was not really a unwarranted reaction.
Liam sounded rough!
And the rest was almost as embarrassing as the Mick/sam one.
Joss Stone: What?
Ah well.. see you in the morning.
lily was robbed. get fucked BRIT awards.
Hello Morning.
Has RB ever said anything that’s actually funny?
arguably. subjectively. ask enrique.
man that was a depressing two hours. i half tuned out. the last brits i saw was 2004, i remember presenter cat deeley informing us rock was back. i guess she was right, in the end.
all of the music was uniformly bad, all of the winners were vile privately educated corporate drones with shit music, but the funny thing was how in awe of the mid-90s it was. nelly furtado said her favourite acts were all british — pulp, blur, postishead... a bit like saying your fave producer is timbaland i suppose.
but with oasis and take that on board too...
brand has said funny things, i’m sure. not last night particularly.
i didn’t get what he was doing last night. he was on the whole delivering cat deeley style “wow that was greats!” but in such a strangely bored manner sort of like he was either aware of the show’s inate rubbishness or this was simply another level of “edginess” or “irony” or something.
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i think in his heart of hearts RB wanted to sound more sarcastic but bottled it, so it came off even lamer. who was the woman in the leopard-print dress? it’s on the tip of my tongue. awful anyway. don’t read this wrong but what is up with all the dropped accents with these fuckers?
out of curiosity, why did you all watch it? you knew you would be bored, you ended up being bored...
I was hoping that the Oasis performance would help sell my Oasis CD on Amazong, but no luck. I blame Liam’s bald patch.
I wacthed it, or started watching it, because “I am interested in pop music”.
that’s kind of why i didn’t watch it
out of curiosity, why did you all watch it? you knew you would be bored, you ended up being bored...
— lexpretend (lexusjee...), February 15th, 2007.
i like to know what all the hip kids are listening to.
I watched 24 and Heroes instead. Much better.
i didn’t watch it! my freeview box has decided to block itv, quite blessedly i think! (and i don’t have analogue reception for some reason). the joss stone thing was linked on digitalspy.
i don’t have sky.
i did watch the daily show during some of the brits.
joss stone was totally embarrassing. all that suggestive slinking around the stage then talking about robbie williams—“an inspiration to us all” wtf!?—then to top it off she got all competitive and tried to sing a bit of that rehab song that amy winehouse had just finished. just completely transparent and cringeworthy
WTF at Joss Stone’s fake accent, I’m just flabbergasted by how bad it was.
i somehow missed the one thing peoples are talking about. damn you john stewart.
i think joss was in an american movie. could be trying it as an actress.
it was on in another room. there was food in that room.
god i just watched that again—“big big BIG love to robbie williams for going through what he’s going through right now” *vomit*. refreshingly, half the audience sounded like they were either booing or didn’t give a fuck.
i like to know what all the hip kids are listening to.
surely you knew that already
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It’s sort of why I switched off after a bit.
And I suppose it’s why I kept flicking back from time to time.
I just couldn’t get into Bolton and Arsenal, although I’m sure it was quite good.
The audience seemed quite shocked at Russell B taking the piss out of Robbie W.
to give the insufferably smug cuntwit credit, keith allen’s gag about robin hood would have been funny if he hadn’t fluffed it like a tit.
who was the woman in the leopard-print dress? it’s on the tip of my tongue.
Fern “I love Oasis, me!” Cotton.
ah i thought it might have been! lots of make-up.
Was there anyone involved in the ceremony this year who wasn’t a complete and utter cunt?
that model erin whatshername is supposed to be ok.
but in general, all utter cunts. i saw noely g on newsnight and he was an unspeakable thatcherite fucktard.
Why do they still insist on shunting Lauren Laverne off to ITV2 instead?
Fearne’s question standard = “What was your favourite moment of tonight” to every winner who then replied “winning this, woargh!!!!” and five mins later eventually got round to “oh Amy Winehouse’s song was um quite good”
xpost Jarvis?
jarv’s presence was just kind of sad.
He should know better as well- revisiting past glories and all that.
Jarvis is probably the most pathetic figure in music these days, I’d say he’s overtaken David Van Day in that respect now.
I’m expecting Pulp to reform and play “all the songs you know and love” at some point in the next few years.
I thought Erin Wahtsername was fairly detestable on this.
out of curiosity, why did you all watch it?
I didn’t watch it, I watched Bolton-Arsenal. Gilberto’s penalty was funnier than anything RB could produce.
Funnily enough, I saw that penalty too. Maybe watching several channels at once *is* all it’s cracked up to be.
Expert analysis from the BBC:
Oasis, who took the outstanding contribution to music award, performed several songs.
Standing ovation
Their performance, which was so loud it could be felt under foot, got everyone up dancing, and some were even up on the tables.
Oasis sang a selection of their best hits on stage
Fred Rigele travelled all the way from Austria just to see his idols perform.
“I’m mad for Oasis,” he said. “They were the best band today, the whole hall gave them a standing ovation.”
There were some that were disappointed with the Gallagher brothers though.
“I thought Liam might have caused a bit of trouble, but no such luck,” said Sarah House from Reading.
jarvis seemed to be attempting a jimmy saville impression and having a pop of sorts at oasis. like brand’s sycophantic irony the mixing of messages lead only to confusion and embarrasment for all concerned. he then got mooned at by the fratellis. he, understandably, blanked someone i know years back when they rather tactlessly brought up michael jackson. now... i dunno he seems to be embracing, or at least letting those round him, use it as his main claim to fame.
Orson were the only truely awful shower of idiots last night. Joss Stone being kind of exempt due to her WTF-ness being a highlight in many ways.
Otherwise everyone was either forgettable, bland or just okay. Russell Brand was just okay, certainly better than previous hosts whose bellowed scripted enthusiasm always echoed into nothingness. He smoothed out the stiltedness of the event as best as anyone could.
Jarvis was alright, the Arctic Monkeys deadpan to the point of sarcastic acceptance speech dressed as Wizard of Oz charecters was alright, Amy Winehouse, looking like a wonky Tim Burton claymation figure, was alright. Er, was that it?
Who are The Fratellis?
Noel Gallagher was good on Newsnight.
I know its been said upthread, but it deserves repeating: Oasis were truly abysmal, Liam’s voice is shot, they should just give up. And I thought Liam’s acceptance of their trumped up award was disgustingly petulant: “I suppose this’ll have to do”. What a cunt.
orson! the mika of last year!
noel gallagher on newsnight was like: thatcher was a meanie but for me y’know, i take care of me and my family, and that’s it; charity begins at home... dick.
If you cut the line about Red Bull out, “No Tomorrow” is a pretty great song.
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thing about “no tomorrow” is how i know i have heard it many, many time but can barely remember it. it’s as good as “grace kelly”.
And I thought Liam’s acceptance of their trumped up award was disgustingly petulant: “I suppose this’ll have to do”. What a cunt.
I can’t help but feel you might have taken this a bit personally
one thing about bloor and owaysis winning in 1995 was, however cringily, they did feel appreciably different from the people who always won — AOR, radio 2, britannia music club stuff; they were in nme and annie lennox was not, etc, blah.
so anyway now oasis are the old cunts, but not even famously ‘lippy’ songstress lily allen, famously talentless alcoholic amy winehouse and famously shirty dickbags kasabian seem to have anything but blandness to offer against them.
Noel was just saying how being a campaigning rockstar like Thom and Chris Martin “bombarding their audience with depressing images at a rock concert” isn’t for him. I don’t like Oasis or anything but I agree with what he said.
Did anybody actually manage to raise a laugh intentionally?
Russell got “oh, tut!”,
Keith Allen got “I don’t get it.. oh hang on Robin Hood, yes he was in it, wasn’t he?” laugh slow dissipation.
Joss Stone got big laffs but it doesn’t count if you’re laffing at your own joke.
Anyone?
yeh but it’s like brand presenting. everything is so draped in cool, irony and this weird aggression that it’s hard to find a way to disrupt that. all the exit’s have already been sealed. it’s like donny toruttes on cbb/nevermind the buzzcocks. you can’t undermine it cos it is already so far gone itself. i guess there might be another way but you just end up playing an expected part.
Liam sang like he was swallowing a telegraph pole at the same time!
(OK, so maybe he had a bad throat on the day)
i don’t know if those bands even do that (project images of war on stage etc). but he’s ignorant of rock history if he thinks radiohead being into politics is anything new or un-rock-like. apparently john lennon took the occasional stand on issues that interested him.
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but also it’s not like radiohead force their reluctant fans to put up with it! i’m told they move weight, vinyl-wise — possibly more than oasis, worldwide.
Winehouse and Kasabian are clever enough not to bite the hand that feeds them, basically.
And I thought Liam’s acceptance of their trumped up award was disgustingly petulant: “I suppose this’ll have to do”. What a cunt.
I can’t help but feel you might have taken this a bit personally
Not personally, it was just that in a shower of idiocy I thought that really took the biscuit, to mix my metaphors horribly. Liam’s “rock ‘n roll outlaw“ schtick was tired 10 years ago, and is considerably more tired now!
It has a bald patch now.
whilst what, i think, lex might have been getting it that it’s kind of pointless to criticize the Brits for being boring (clue they always have been cf http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brit_awards ) on the other hand enrique has a point that at some stage they were a good pointer to more general pop shifts and yes entertaining in that something might “go wrong”. it is the fact that the organizers are aware of the second point that made this years show interesting if not entertaining. if you saw the trails what was being advertised was the idea of “danger” that “anything might happen”. now i’m not saying i believed the ads but it sort of comes round to Passantino scratching post 2005—2007; the rather desperate use of danger and authenticity as a marketing tool. it’s like all these signifiers are floating about and no one quite knows what they are doing or really cares. cf jarvis announcing the fratellis as “ice cool indie rock” what the hell does that even mean? the whole thing seemed to strain for relevance that in the end it sort of achieved it. all the battles or whatever have been fought… there’s just heaped helpings of cynical cynicism and safe irony left. it really did capture uk pop in 2007.
two progs in one night made lols with the three words ‘britney spears vagina’. it’s hard to be edgy really, when that’s mainstream.
that’s not quite it, but basically what paul said.
i doubt pulp or the other slightly cooler bands who won stuff in the mid-90s sold as many records as amy winehouse or snow patrol or the frankly sinister muse.
Yay Muse! That is the one award they really deserve to win.
i saw noely g on newsnight and he was an unspeakable thatcherite fucktard.
— temporary enrique (miltonpinsk...), February 15th, 2007.
details?
noel gallagher on newsnight was like: thatcher was a meanie but for me y’know, i take care of me and my family, and that’s it; charity begins at home... dick.
— temporary enrique (miltonpinsk...), February 15th, 2007.
whilst what, i think, lex might have been getting it that it’s kind of pointless to criticize the Brits for being boring (clue they always have been cf http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brit_awards ) on the other hand enrique has a point that at some stage they were a good pointer to more general pop shifts and yes entertaining in that something might “go wrong”.
more general pop shifts and so on, within british music. british music isn’t very exciting in any areas at the moment (though i do like winehouse), or at least it’s consistently being trumped by foreign acts, so it stands to reason that the brit awards aren’t going to be particularly exciting. i don’t see this as a problem, at all.
wittered on some shit about politics being something you do every five years, it’s our fault tony blair is who he is because we ‘elected him president’ etc etc.
pulp never actually won! blur / oasis / manics were selling mega units in the mid 90s. the only ones who that point sort of rings true about is bjork and beck winning but they were obv in international catergories so i guess more room for tokenism!
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what about dubstep, the most thrilling, forward-thinking music in the UK today?
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er i’m kind of talking about music which has any hope at all to be in the charts, here.
International categories were fucked up though, I mean which NEW American bands actually made any impact on the British charts in the late 90s? Fun Lovin’ Criminals, Eels... that’s it. Smashmouth, probably.
I mean which NEW American bands actually made any impact on the British charts in the late 90s?
destiny’s child.
I think Lily Allen’s great and it’s sort of outrageous that she didn’t win anything.
xpost: that list of impactful American bands is... stunning.
in the UK charts in the late ’90s, tracer — i’m drawing blanks, have to say.
Hanson had a massive number one! Backstreet Boys! N*sync!
they were all shit.
srsly though, none of them were that impactful, especially not n*sync.
Mmm Bop! is the best song ever!
Sketchy details of Noel G’s state of the nation address:
Mmm Bop! is the best song ever!
— acrobat (kowalski9...), February 15th, 2007.
srsly though, none of them were that impactful, especially not n*sync.
backstreet boys gave the world the max martin sound which basically ruled pop for a few years, you may have heard of this singer called britney spears for example
Destiny’s Child didn’t mean anything until summer 99 over here when “Bills Bills Bills” and that one about bugs menaced the charts, and you’d have a hard time convincing anyone that DC are a 90s band not a 00s one.
N’Sync never went top 10 in the UK until 1999 as well.
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yeah, i think you mean max martin gave backstreet boys the max martin sound, and it did not rule pop, it produced some very successful records, mostly for britney, for a couple of years.
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“backstreet boys gave the world the max martin sound”
gets more wtf every time i read it.
1999 is the late nineties! Backstreet Boys had a UK no 1 in 99 but had been charting solidly since 1996. Blink 182 didn’t break in the uk until 2000! thats only a year before sum 41!
a *lot* of people had #1s in 1999. backstreet boys were just not a big noise in pop music! and anyway they were shit.
Blink 182 didn’t break in the uk until 2000! thats only a year before sum 41!
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I’ll give you Backstreet Boys tbh, their chart run from 1996 is pretty impressive. And 1999 is not the late 90s, it’s one year of it.
“What’s My Age Again?” only charted at 38. That seems ridiculously low considering how much I remember it being played out.
yeh but blink were around a long time before and are certainly a lot older than sum 41. motivation is so great.
backstreet boys were just not a big noise in pop music!
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“What’s My Age Again?” re-entered at 17 the following year.
i suppose i forget that the media landscape of ten years ago was v diff, so you could still sell lots without being ‘impactful’. i watched a lot of tv and listened to a lot of radio back then but don’t remember the backstreet boys at all (other than ‘backstreet’s back’ and that one ballad). whereas i hardly listen to the radio at all now but seem to osmose bullshit about rubbish pop stars (winehouse, allen) anyway.
paul as the only person on this thread who seems to want to talk about the subject at hand (i’ve lost track of what this even is) with any enthusiasm, why on earth do you do it with people whose only interest is in snarking at everything and anything regardless of what it is?
If you don’t know what the subject at hand is how do you know we’re not talking about it?
um the subject is the brit awards, not boy bands of the late ’90s.
but we are now on ‘impactful US bands of the late ’90s’. i’m not merely being snarky, i just never drank the kool-aid wrt backstreet boys. i feel no enthusiasm for them!
or the max martin sound. which other than britney’s early stuff, seems to consist in the aforementioned BSBs, some n*sync, and fucking 5ive. oh and the odd bryan adams track. kudos to max.
This kinda impacts on a thread that I was gonna start earlier in the week but couldn’t think of a decent opening for, which is that 1999 is the most mis-remembered year in popular music ever.
it is round these parts, aye.
People think it was this wonderous sugarland of happy pop music created by magical Swedish wizards and sang by happy smiling young things. In reality, the top 40 was 39 trance singles and a Travis song.
and ‘tequila’.
Terrorvision appearing on Noel’s House Party: the moment that rock came back. Everything since has just been dressing.
I watched Dragons Den followed by The Verdict. Hard to know where one ended and the other began.
‘the truth is what you believe’ is a truly scary tagline for a show about a rape trial.
Did any Britpop bands appear on Noel’s House Party?
apart from the famous denim/auteurs ep obviously.
i went for lunch. i dunno these things can be good if they get going.
xp to lex
Noels House Party didn’t feature bands till really near the end of its run BUT i do remember the spice girls opening the show and the introduction of a liam galleghar look a like who smashed mellons into the audience.
interesting point about 1999 cos the brits of that years are really odd. des’ree, belle and sebastian, manics all winning ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brit_Awards#1999 . i think the thing about this years is that for all the snark and so forth uk pop at the moment really has it sewn up, commercially at least. this current fecundity has been going on for what 3 or 4 years british acts are starting to really make it in the US. the weird thing is that the brits can’t actually be triumphant about it. well they can but it rings hollow. you have all these acts making serious money but for some reason it all needs to be wrapped up in this mythos, all this baggage from punk and britpop. things can’t just be a collection of good songs or whatever they have to at once dangerous and prove the collective musical / moral worth of the nation.
There is this bit in the middle of What’s My Age Again that is almost unspeakably beautiful. It’s like 74–75 moving but in the middle of this upbeat tune. Wow.
Oh, so it was controversial after all. Well done, Russell.
Oh and what was all that “plunging the sound into the bottom of the swimming pool” ?
There wasn’t any swearing during the lead break in “Don’t look back in anger” was there?
The sound kept going off “at their end” during Oasis. I didn’t think it was anyhting to do with swearing, I thought it was just incompetence.
ha it’s weird that seemingly controversy = relevancy to these people. why can’t the music alone be enough. if the presenter is supplying the “edge” or whatever how bloody contrived is that. all ther performances were rote, really unexceptional. why can’t britain ever do things like prince at the superbowl, why can’t we seemingly do big music events with any pizzaz. tbh the big stories of the last few brits have been americans (and australians) coming over and doing good shows last year prince and kanye, 2003 timberlake and kylie bum grabbing. is the biggest uk music buying demographic really 20 something with i-pods?
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i don’t know what you want from it, paul.
i guess sneakingly i want it to be shit, and for someone to show it to be shit. but the modern MO is ‘get your retaliation in first’ ie have a presenter who hates it and bands no-one could possibly care about either way. what would be the point of ‘upstaging’ something so desperate to shock.
But yeah, British bands don’t understand showmanship AT ALL.
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In that case they should have brought back Noel Edmonds to present (xp).
i want fireworks and a marching band which lights up and huge fucking explosions and i want a medley that starts as a greatest hits set then goes into pie jesu and fall out boy and i want 100s of dancers and i want a fucking awesome shreddy guitar solo and i want a stage that lights up like something out of final fantasy 7 and i want some great songs and i want more fireworks and i want an omg duet and more fireworks
oh i get it now. you’re one of these emos.
yeh that was your average sunny day real estate show back in the day
Well, I’d like the Stooges on.
yeh, there teaming up with kode 9 and the spaceape next year, it’s booked already.
Was there anyone involved in the ceremony this year who wasn’t a complete and utter cunt?
— Sick Mouthy (njsouthal...), February 15th, 2007.
nick gets it, although i can’t say i watched the blessed thing.
what no one explained to me was how joss stone seemed to have *planned* and (under)rehearsed this whole thing. the whole out-in-front-of-the-podium-i-wanna-tell-you-a-storee affair. the arrogance of the womanchild! hillariously she’s been ‘serrenading the president’ lately which perhaps accounts for the wee poppet thinking that now teh whole world wants to hear what she has to say!
even more hillariously she has no auto-filter or whatever on her myspace page leading (by last night at least) to a deluge of ‘oh you have let us down so badly’ type comments on there for teh world and his wife to gawp and cringe at.
i was thinking about how they could improve the show
see my post about 8 or 9 up
Tits and guns.
i think kirsty wark should compere. give it a bit of frisson.
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even more hillariously she has no auto-filter or whatever on her myspace page leading (by last night at least) to a deluge of ‘oh you have let us down so badly’ type comments on there for teh world and his wife to gawp and cringe at.
I just checked—either they deleted it all or the deluge of myspace comment spam has pushed it all down the list.
“I watched Dragons Den followed by The Verdict.”
I still want to know how come no-one involved in making The Verdict seems to have noticed that Jeffrey Archer isn’t actually eligible for jury service ‘cos he’s been in nick within the last 10 years....
erm maybe cos it wasn’t actually real and jeffrey archer is generally more well to known to middle aged folks than megaman.
“yeh but it’s like brand presenting. everything is so draped in cool, irony and this weird aggression”
that’s ilx in a nutshell
“erm maybe cos it wasn’t actually real and jeffrey archer is generally more well to known to middle aged folks than megaman.”
So they couldn’t find anyone else that middle aged folks had heard of who is eligible for jury service?
(I know it wasn’t real, obv.*—but surely the object of the exercise was to make it as real as poss., using a jury who were a reasonable cross-section of the population who by some extraordinary coincidence just happened to be celebrities and to therefore appeal to as large a proportion of the population as possible?)
*—I’m wasn’t 100% sure that all of the jurors realised this ‘though
‘cos he’s been in nick within the last 10 years....
Is it just 10 yrs? I thought it was: criminal conviction = ineligible for life.
Isn’t that for “being an MP”..?
“Is it just 10 yrs? I thought it was: criminal conviction = ineligible for life.”
Apparently not.
“Isn’t that for ”being an MP“..?” I don’t know abouit that, but I’m not sure the Conservatives have even allowed him to rejoin the Party.
He is a Lord ‘though, isn;t he? Doesn’t that make him not only ineligible to be an MP (didn’t Anthony Wedgwood Benn have to disavow his own title in order to become / remain an MP?) but also again make him ineligible for jury service?
It would be a bit of a joke if, as a Peer, he is member of the ultimate Court Of Appeal whilst simultaneously being ineligibe for jury service—but then Lord Archer’s entire life seems to have been filled with such incongruities.
House of Lords as a Higher Court is not the same as the House of Lords as a legislative body, i.e. the legal function of the House of Lords is restricted to a v. small group of Law Lords. I can’t remember the relevant version of the Jury Act but I’m fairly certain that Lords can sit on a jury too.
Jeffey Archer still a cunt tho’
Well OBVIOUSLY.