and it’s clearly the best idea of all time.
I would have to ban myself
I’d probably register a couple of dozen new accounts, and chat to myself all day using different user names so I’d look like I was really popular.
zoe: so maybe that shows that really what I should do is just ... not pay any attention to the badbits.
yes. you should. please do.
Er, no! The problem with the ignore-the-badbits plan is that it leads to everyone squirrelling away into their own threads and boards and effectively abandoning the mainstream to the mercy of the fannies.
nobody—not mods, not admins and certainly not thread-starters—can legislate for other people’s behaviour. trying to impose rules of engagement is a complete waste of time.
Ye think? Legislation is all about other people’s behaviour! Do you go “oh, hey, lots of muggings in Glasgow. Ach, well, can’t legislate for behaviour. If you don’t like being mugged, just try and ignore them”.
Then when you text your pals to come out, and nobody does because it’s the fucking badlands, you mutter “ah, well, natural evolution of the city. If i don’t like it, tough.”
that is about a city
Which is a place where people interact. I’m not even going to start on his “it’s just a messageboard” bolloc— oh wait, I am. It’s bollocks.
It may only exist inside computers, and it might be possible to turn it off and walk away, but it’s also obviously important and personal to lots of people, and can make them laugh or cry, become sad or happy etc and is filled with lots of other people they value and care about. Why something like that’s “just” anything is beyond me.
that is about a city
er, yes. this is ILX. it’s totally, totally different. we are all, basically, intelligent people. any true sociopaths can be banned. all the rest is mere irritation.
Er, no! The problem with the ignore-the-badbits plan is that it leads to everyone squirrelling away into their own threads and boards and effectively abandoning the mainstream to the mercy of the fannies.
what fannies? people acting the tool doesn’t make them fannies. it just makes them posters who are acting the tool. they’ve got as much right to post here as anyone else. or do you want it to be a private members’ club? :/
if everyone stopped getting so hung up on other people’s behaviour, this board would improve no end. like i say: if people have a genuine complaint—eg “i feel i’m being victimised/bullied”—then it’s a matter for the mods. but what’s happening most of the time is a pile-up of other posters going OOOH THAT’S TERRIBLE SOMEONE GOT ZINGED OOH DEAR IT’S SYSTEMATIC BULLYING I TELL YOU HEY SEE THAT POSTER OVER THERE THEY’RE A RIGHT CUNT. it’s just tedious.
you’re a site admin; you probably see it differently, and i appreciate that. but you can’t control everybody’s behaviour. you can try ... but you’re going to end up with a very small board indeed.
Why something like that’s “just” anything is beyond me
okay: your personal investment in this is obviously way more than mine, and i’m sorry if you find my attitude glib. but i’d say the same about any other social situation, to be honest: it’s just a pub/it’s just a workplace/it’s just a city. pragmatism 101.
i like ILX. i wouldn’t post here otherwise. i care about it. i wouldn’t have donated to the server fund if i didn’t. and i have made a few genuine friends through this board (which is a pleasant surprise, and more than i’d ever expect of an internet forum). but the vast, vast majority of posters are simply acquaintances with whom i have only one real thing in common: we post on ILX. it’s, er, just a message board. sorry.
what fannies? people acting the tool doesn’t make them fannies. it just makes them posters who are acting the tool. they’ve got as much right to post here as anyone else. or do you want it to be a private members’ club? :/
And people mugging people doesn’t make them muggers, it just makes them people who are mugging people? They’ve got as much right to roam the streets as anyone else.
if everyone stopped getting so hung up on other people’s behaviour, this board would improve no end.
Q-afw-FT.
it’s just a pub/it’s just a workplace/it’s just a city.
Which comes back to the “ach, fuck it, it’s just X, why bother changing it”. Yet you’re the one who wants to shoot all the people who panic-buy petrol come the revolution. You’re going to end up with a very small country.
We should have stuck with housebreakers instead of muggers for our pointless analogies.
happyslappers
faulty rear light on bicycle
Now, let’s get this straight; do we want ILx to be a private housebreakers’ club?
eh? that’s the strawiest straw-man i’ve ever blown down.
1) of course i don’t want to shoot people. i might, in sheer frustration, have said something like that (the fact you remember this worries/amazes me). but, you know, although i think there are millions of wankers out there in the world, i have no choice but to respect their right to exist.
2) ILX isn’t a microcosm of society. it’s mostly intelligent, educated people with an interest in contemporary pop culture. i think, on that basis, it should be pretty much self-regulating. sure, it needs mods for when things get out of hand. but really: what’s so bad here that it can’t just be ignored? so poster A is being a fanny. big deal. posters B through Z aren’t. go hang with them instead!
need to nash; will be late for work.
(xpost to stet, natch)
Here’s an analogy.
There’s a bloke who acts like a fanny in every pub ever (sometimes it’s me), I still go to pubs. Pubs are still mostly fun. If it gets too serious the fanny is removed, but usually “ignore him, he’s a fanny” suffices.
To stretch the analogy a little more, it’d be gr8 if 90% of people on ILE were pissed.
onimo OTFM.
“Woah, fuck, not drinking in there. It’s full of fannies! Lets go have a quiet drink round your place instead”
Oran Mor vs Mono TS
Eh, fannies. I just don’t like that word.
My best friend in elementary school was Fanny.
and she had every right to be
i give this meta-thread a 4. where’s the blood? where’s the momus? when will nabisco unleash a fiery creed from on high? get to work, people!
My appetite for internet bunfights has withered away to virtually nothing over the past few years, and my use of ILx has changed accordingly. I do my best to avoid the little teams of zingmonkeys who prowl around making the place “funnier”. I wind up on the quieter or more communityish threads (and boards), I like it there more, there’s not so much playing to the gallery: there’s no gallery. (This is the view correctly ascribed to me by jaymc above.)
The skill needed to get the best (i.e. what I want) out of ILX these days seems to be about identifying where the little islands of civility exist and enjoying them, and trying to forget that the rest of it is there, and so very pish. (This is the view correctly ascribed to me by Keef above).
I used to be able to use ILx differently, and follow conversations about which I knew little or nothing, because the general tone made it a pleasure. That doesn’t seem to be the case anymore. So it goes I suppose. Things change, so do I. On those occasions where I see what appears to be bullying, most usually low-level unpleasantness, it reinforces my view that most of ILx is not the place for me to hang out, so I don’t. That’s what grimly recommends, I guess. Well done me, proper Thatcher’s child behaviour.
So, in summary: I got old and less grouchy and I don’t have the time or the energy to waste it on fights here, or (for that matter) to try to convince other people that they might like to behave differently. Hats off to anyone who feels like giving it a whirl, though.
“Woah, fuck, not drinking in there. It’s full of fannies! Lets go have a quiet drink round your place instead”
Or, more likely, another pub? ILX isn’t full of fannies (let’s call them wankers to avoid offending Nathalie’s Fanny). I think of ILX as the pub people go to to avoid the ones full of wankers. It has a better good guy: wanker ratio than most other Internet forums I’ve been to.
there were a lot of wankers at my school
i feel bad that there are people who STILL feel like I Love Books is taking something away from ILE even though it now barely exists outside of one *what are you reading* thread. i guess i always felt like it would be a nice place for people who liked to read and who didn’t want to deal with snark and mean “zingmonkeys”. and it was! and has been! but not much blood there. and though some people might not want to admit it, a little blood can be invigorating.
(love the zingmonkey!)
i remember when ILB got a mention in the newspaper!
Zingmonkey = teh awesome.
I like the idea of I Love Books but whenever I feel the need to start a literature thread, I’m pretty sure I’d do so here. The last Pynchon thread on ILE got way more responses than the equivalent ILB thread. That said, I like the idea of ILB and I’m glad it’s there.
(xpost—ILB ended up in like five newspapers!)
At last, we have a name for accentmonkey’s firstborn.
i know only one newspaper, matt.
List on people who can’t be arsed with ILX these days—should Andrew NF be on it? I haven’t seen him post since he gave up the reins of power.
oh I have.
hahaha remember when I started a mini feud between ILB & NB last year? no blood spilled. I can be such a dick sometimes.
what newspapers was ILB mentioned in? UK I presume.
apparently he has ‘done a john d’.
no-one’s “irreplaceable”.
xpost
in fact didn’t andrew post a really rude pic of his anatomy recently
I posted a thread on ILB once. The first reply was sarcastic and bleh.
it occasionally had some relevant posts, and then ended.
Better than what ILM/E have become even in the past 6 months, but still pretty bland.
“what newspapers was ILB mentioned in?”
a ton of euro papers. cuzza the one thread that mikey started. it was briefly a webenomemon.
This thread is unbelievably long, even for a meta.
Alisa, post on TITTWIS. it is open to all posters and all topics.
Yeh, Andrew has resigned from internet
is TITTWIS now a rival to the watercooler? are these two different posses?
Famous blood feuds
The Campbell—MacDonald feud, including the Massacre of Glencoe
The Capone—Moran feud, including the St. Valentine’s Day massacre
The Clanton/McLaury—Earp feud
The Donnelly—Lucan community feud
The Gunn—Keith feud
The Hatfield—McCoy feud
The Lancaster—York feud
The Percy—Neville feud
The Talbot—Berkeley feud
Njál’s saga, an Icelandic account of a Celtic-Nordic blood feud
The Pleasant Valley War
xpost
TITTWIS was the original non-specfic conversation thread. It predated all the regional ones.
What about the “bar” that someone set up one time, I can’t remember now who? Was it C J?
and the mongrels and fuxors predates tittwis as well.
really? I thought it was an offshoot. my bad.
if everyone stopped getting so hung up on other people’s behaviour, this board would improve no end.
S... I’m a bit late here, but the problem with this statement is that it’s an impossible ask.
If you can think of an answer that isn’t qualified with an if, then we might be getting somewhere.
p.s. fuk u! lolz HI DERE!
I think the “bar” thing was Martin.
Keef Wostan, noize bored cub scout!
Haha! Hello...
The Donnelly—Lucan community feud
What? Tell me more!
The Feud
The Biddulph feud preceded the emigration of the Donnelly family from Ireland and continued for some 17 years after their deaths. However, from about 1857, the Donnelly family was inextricably wound up with the feud.
The Biddulph feud had its origins in Ireland, and had begun almost two centuries before the elder James Donnelly’s birth, with Oliver Cromwell. Among other English actions in conquered Ireland, Cromwell’s forcible injection of Protestants into a solidly Catholic society — with the explicit intent of expelling the Catholics— aroused strong anti-English and anti-Protestant emotions, culminating in the formation of the Irish secret society called Whiteboys around 1761, named for the white robes they wore.
This split sections of Irish society in into three classes: Catholic Whiteboys, Protestant Orangemen, and Blackfeet. Blackfeet were Irish Catholics who refused to adhere to the rigid Whiteboy code and were severely mistreated by the Whiteboys for their perceived treason. The Donnellys were Blackfeet and thus caught in the middle between the Catholic/Protestant battles.
It so happened through an accident of history, that Biddulph Township collected just the right concentration and distribution of Whiteboys, Blackfeet and Orangemen, to cause the Old Country feud to be rekindled. And eventually the Donnellys were consumed in its flames, quite literally burning their way into history.
but the problem with this statement is that it’s an impossible ask
maybe so. but then so is saying: “hey, stop zinging/bullying/being nasty to each other.”
my point is simple—it’s far more useful to say, a la mark seven billion posts ago: “look, people, how about we just ignore posts that irritate us” than it is to say: “right dudes, no more irritating posts.” i mean, irritation is in the, er, brain of the ILX0r. one man’s troll is another man’s nabisco. or something.
fill in the blanks: it’s an i—-n-t m-ss—e boa-d. lighte- up, pe-ple.
This split sections of Irish society in into three classes: Catholic Whiteboys, Protestant Orangemen, and Blackfeet. Blackfeet were Irish Catholics who refused to adhere to the rigid Whiteboy code and were severely mistreated by the Whiteboys for their perceived treason. The Donnellys were Blackfeet and thus caught in the middle between the Catholic/Protestant battles.
Wow, for the first time ever, I’m proud of my ancestors!
traitor!
Nah, fuck Catholic fundamentalists!
Them’s fightin’ words.
Who are you, some kinda Lucan or sumthin’?
Did you come here to talk, or did you come here to fight?
I’m came for the beer but I’m staying for the show!
I think the “bar” thing was Martin.
Mmnot as I remember it... CJ sounds about right, but not entirely sure.
It was CJ.
[Moving to shiny new home]
Came to ILM in search of high-falootin’ music discussion, discovered all-purpose web community/bullpit, compromised the two, rose to challenge, may have had issues with some posters in past but now unfussed (aside from when judged), kinda enjoy it. Dom is right that I throw the ball back whenever he throws it at me; what was initially snarky has turned out to be (in the context of the www) character-building and surprisingly good-natured, although I maintain he needs to ditch the McCain’s-sponsored epaulettes...
How on earth did you find this board drunk? You have a nose for ILX, I’ll give you that.
It also means that mods can now delete/move any personal attacks that are getting out of hand, which might deal with some of the problems people have been having.
Dearest admins, who decides what it is zinging, what is bullying, and what is just making a point to someone who then takes it personally?
That’s for another board =^.^=
Dearest admins, who decides what it is zinging, what is bullying, and what is just making a point to someone who then takes it personally?
I know this! It’s the admins!
Collectively? Together? Stet has a bad day, he can just go shitcanning people that are pissing him off? ENQUIRING MINDS NEED TO KNOW THESE THINGS!
teh_kit, if you can’t be meta on a meta-board, when can you be meta?
(haha, that looks like a theaudience album track title)
Dear Stet, that was an example, I do not think you are liable to go postal and shitcan people really, please don’t delete me for personally attacking your character.
luv ailsa_xx
(PS I know you know that but some people appear to have difficulty in distinguishing between disagreement and bullying so I am making a point. Badly. I’ll shut up now)
jesus it’s twee out there today.
you’ve started a lot of threads today
Right, either you are accusing me of being Esteban Buttez, or you’re pointing me to stuff in there about how admin stuff works.
I’m quite happy with stet pointing out that admins discuss things off board. However in that same post he also says:
1) The only workable rules (ie that won’t result in endless legal-type bickering and “but I didn’t break the rule!” whining) will be really amorphous and pretty self-explanatory: Don’t a be dick. Flickr’s one’s good too: “Don’t be creepy. You know, that guy. Don’t be him.”
and the need for a new (albeit possibly temporary) rule i.e. take shit to the meta board or we’ll take it there for you runs contrary to the idea that self-policing is the only workable rule.
I’m basically OK with this meta-board in principle, but not entirely clear what the principle is.
Since this is a meta-board, I’m going to do a wee bit of self-explanation. I have had a bit of a run-in recently with a poster who is taking it WAY more personally than it was meant. It’s certainly not personal to any one poster, more a disagreement with a principle of people getting to police their own bits of the board (and evidence suggests I’m not the only one). I’ve tried to illustrate the non-personal-ness of my argument by politely explaining to that person that I do not actually have a problem with them personally. Part of me is a bit worried that others don’t see it that way—I guess it depends what bits of ILX people notice.
I’m giving up on that one issue now anyway. It’s too small a part of my overall ILX experience to let it bother me that much. I’m all for live and let live. I contribute non-snarkily to lots of the board—TV, films, music, football, general day-to-day shit. I’m trying really hard not to be an overall nuisance. I hope I’m succeeding. I really like this board and a lot of the people therein. I just want it to work.
Peace out.
The principle, which is being tried out more than imposed, is that it could be better for meta stuff to not derail threads needlessly.
So instead of your beef getting pushed to one side on the WC thread, and then popping its head up in Noise and various other places, could instead be hashed out here. It lets things that need to come to head, er, come to one, without trashing threads. It lets people call someone out for something cuntish, and lets other people give their opinion without it being smeared across 17 threads.
Basically, I guess you could see it as somewhere for self-policing to happen without getting in the way.
Yeah, but bunging it somewhere no-one can see = it’ll just be another noize board rofflez thread, reaching the people who can be arsed reading a load of meta shite and not doing anything constructive because the majority of the board probably won’t give a toss, and you don’t think the mentality will spill over elsewhere until everything ends up here? (worst case scenario, obv, perhaps some people are better than I’m giving them credit for)
I said, I like it in principle. I hate that shitloads of people have piled in on a small issue I had with the way people were being treated by Kate and the way she felt she had control over a part of ILX and made it some big AILSA V KATE FITE OH NOES incident when that was never my intention and then it kept spiralling and spinning off into every thread and got brought up here when I was at work and I went off on one because I’m sick fed up of people misunderstanding what I’m on about and it’s not even just me that’s doing it anyway, there’s Kate-directed snark all over the board and at least I was trying to vocalise exactly what my beef was, which was with ONE FUCKING THREAD. I’m backing well the fuck away from the whole fiasco now. People are making this something it’s not, and I hate it and it’s actually really fucking bothering me. I made some crappy jokes about Kate killfilling me for a cheap self-deprecating roffle and now I’ve gone back to posting pictures of old towns and talking about washing machines.
Perhaps it got lost upthread when Stevem completely misunderstood everything I said and suggested I go and start a rival watercooler thread and I said “Because I shouldn’t need to. There’s one there already. And I’m not going to make it a taking sides ailsa vs kate, which I’m pretty sure she would if people deserted ”her“ thread for ”mine“. I don’t need it or care that much, I just don’t like being told what I can and can’t post on ILE by someone who’s not a moderator.”
Can I just make it REALLY REALLY CLEAR I’m not going to react to Kate being Kate by being Kate too.
However, I am getting terrible meta about it. Thank God for this board!
I think the point I am trying to make is that I’ve been inadvertently caught up the whole meta-thing that led to this, so if I want to ask questions about it, I’m trying to point out that I’ve no real self-interest, I’m just asking general questions on behalf of an enquiring mind, not someone who intends being a flaming nuisance to anyone in particular on the board.
(I’m off to have some real life now. It’ll be good for me)
I’m not misunderstanding you and I didn’t say ‘rival’ thread. There’s just no reason for there not to be (yet) another ‘idle chit-chat’ thread, esp. when it would probably be a lot freer of silly arguments about what can/can’t be talked about. It just makes more sense.
daughtered in a ilx beef
Why don’t we ban kate? 90% of drama resolved?
I hate that shitloads of people have piled in on a small issue I had with the way people were being treated by Kate and the way she felt she had control over a part of ILX and made it some big AILSA V KATE FITE OH NOES incident when that was never my intention and then it kept spiralling and spinning off into every thread and got brought up here when I was at work and I went off on one because I’m sick fed up of people misunderstanding what I’m on about and it’s not even just me that’s doing it anyway, there’s Kate-directed snark all over the board and at least I was trying to vocalise exactly what my beef was, which was with ONE FUCKING THREAD
Longest sentence on ILX?
There’s this old gem from IRE:
how can a person feel good again with ptsd anxity depression anger hate guilt and shame i was sexually abused as a child and as an addddult had my first child at age twelve my second at age sixteen andmy third at age twentyseven i have nothing no money i was taken from my parents by the state but i ran away becaused i was being influenced by my abuser and the state put me in his custody he shot two police men infront of me his familt blames me for it all for trying to get away from him i was tying to run for my life and made him mad and they say i made him do it i lost my son to his family of fear to contact any of them he hates me my oldest who is twentyone we just met eachother and slowly trying to build a relationship witheach other that is a dream come true but i feel cheated violated robbed of my childhood my teenhood motherhood my education i have a thired grade education i have had to fight to servive i have nothing no money my body never went back to shape my skin is all stretch out i have stretch marks everyware my stomach mymy arms and legs i have never felt sexy or happy or secure all of my life how do i acheave this and become someone i will like to be and to feel comfortable with who i am i need to start a new chapter in my life but i need help i thought i would conect real well with Robin could you see whatyou can do to help a desprate person i really need someone to talk to who i ca trut honestly who wont judge me who really wants to help me and wont abandoned me .
— Michelle ST.Pierre (frnchpierr...), September 25th, 2006.
Stevem, there shouldn’t need to be another chit-chat thread. I don’t want there to be another one. I nearly like the one that’s there apart from the hovering “step out of (MY) line, you ain’t welcome round here boi” threat implicit throughout. And, as I said, you (or Kate) try convincing me that starting one where you can having fleeting mentions of reality TV or sporting concerns isn’t going to be perceived as barrier drawing. Doing that = saying KATE IS WRONG. I’m not going to be the person to do that, no matter what she or anyone else thinks.
I don’t even want to talk about football and telly and whatever on the watercooler. What started this whole recent shitfest off was Kerr mentioning Paris Hilton displaying racist tendencies and asking what teh watercooler massive thought. I said what I thought in passing and referred to another populist incident of “celebrity racism”. then I (not Kerr) got shit for dragging non-Kate-ordained stuff into the Watercooler. At that time, it was kind of difficult to go “ooh some high profile people be racist” without mentioning BB. I even apologised for having to mention it! Oh read the fucking thread yourselves. I didn’t even break Kate’s precious fucking “rules”, yet I still got scapegoated. THIS IS WHY I DON’T WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS SHITE ANY MORE IT IS RIDICULOUS.
(fuck, I actually typed that with gritted teeth)
Also, Gerry, yes, you are hilarious. You’re also walking to the football on Tuesday now. Ho ho, meta or what.
ha, I should get one fucking blog, like waht I said to Kate. Except stet’s made one for me.
(joke—seriously, I never went in for the self-justifying on real-ILX/sandbox because it would have been too meta. Now I can. Hurrah! Except I feel like an over-reacting tit, whatever that feels like, ha, please stop me typing I AM DRUNK)
let go
roffle?
roll to me
If it gets too serious the fanny is removed, but usually “ignore
her,
k8’s a fanny” suffices.
— onimo (ilx.onim...), February 15th, 2007 1:10 PM. (nu_onimo)
fixed XD
GAIE
bump
I don’t really see why the Watercooler hasn’t been taken onto its own closed mailing list by now. It’s always the same ten or so posters anyway, and at least it would allow Kate to do the ‘my gaff, my rules thing’ to her heart’s content without worrying about undesirables reading the thing and using it against her.
I think this of the rest of the chat threads as well TBH but the Watercooler in particular seems to be of even more limited appeal.
Anyone can post on it. I never posted on the early ones, i didn’t know Kate at all yet I was welcomed there.
i just think of it as another local thread like mongrels/sheepfux0rz which i’ve literally never gone into.
Historically the Watercooler threads were started because K felt she was being shouted down or ridiculed on the TITWIS threads, so really there’s no reason why anyone unhappy with the way things are done in WC land couldn’t similarly start a chat thread of their own, even though I agree with Matt that this type of thing will most likely lead to further atrophy/entropy at board level.
shit is so fucked people don’t even know what is or isn’t a parody thread.
This is my high horse, get the fuck off.
shit is so fucked people don’t even know what is or isn’t a parody thread.
Then stop being the shitfucker!
Q: What is ILX about?
A: ILX
I can’t even tell who is and isn’t joking any more.
i am joking.
I’m not.