light-hearted to you, a lifetime of overshoulder dread for me: WHAT IS HE UP TO NOW?
I like Ailsa more and more.
I agree with her about these meta-threads being fairly pointless, but the sentiment is expressed in an unnecessarily harsh manner.
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“fwiw, no one complained when i, along with many others inc yourself, said i liked music made by people who were sexist (sundry hip-hop) or homophobic (sundry dancehall). i still really like the paris hilton album, which doesn’t mean i approve of whatever racist things she’s said (i haven’t seen the video).
yrs,
flouncy, shallow, image-obsessed-and-i-bet-limp-wristed-and-lisping-too drama queen ”
Dude.
Shut up.
Saying someone behaves like a little girl is SEXIST and perhaps agist(though that’s entirely different, as teenagers are as a whole fucking stupid).
It is not homophobic at all.
As such it’s either true or not.
Also, liking Paris Hilton in any way is comperable to saying “you know, cocaine is actually pretty fun! it’s not nice to make fun of things I like!”
Paris Hilton is a cancer, a pseudo-human, a vampiric monstrosity, an airwave-borne social disease destroying human decency, one of the many reasons it’s become ‘cool’ to be undereducated and bratty.
In any case, you’re overreacting and/or trying to pull some ‘gay card.’
My ex boyfriend (who is a joyless hobbity lawyer-wannabe, but decent human in some ways) would probably be more offended than I.
And I’m offended that you would use this to defend bad taste.
Grr.
The problems I have with the internet and what’s spreading into ILE are:
Sardonic/sarcastic/snotty ‘humour’ that’s often not even relevant.
Passive agressive baiting.
“Hey! I don’t care that i’m wrong! I now decide to get everyone’s sympathy and use it against you!” which is the behavior of...a 12 year old girl.
Refusing the benefit of the doubt/never getting confirmation of intent/not caring about intent.
These things bring out the worst in me. I dislike feeling that way.
(but I don’t have any problem with Kate and am totally, blissfully unaware of any grudges against her)
ailsa you probaly should just start your own ‘watercooler’ type thread.
I have the Scottish Football Predictions thread for that, also an email account, and, y’know, a workplace with a watercooler. And also, why the fuck should I? I like the people on the real Watercooler thread.
Paris Hilton is a cancer, a pseudo-human, a vampiric monstrosity, an airwave-borne social disease destroying human decency
gosh, the words of a truly level-headed, rational and functional human being! i think you should go see someone about this, i can feel the twitching from here
I have the Scottish Football Predictions thread for that,
This might be a joke. Might be.
I like the people on the real Watercooler thread.
i’m pretty sure if you or someone else started a ‘UK daytime idle chit-chat’ thread that pretty much all of them would post on it. why wouldn’t they?
ailsa, have a key to the city!
also an email account
omgggg huggle
Because I shouldn’t need to. There’s one there already. And I’m not going to make it a taking sides ailsa vs kate, which I’m pretty sure she would if people deserted “her” thread for “mine”. I don’t need it or care that much, I just don’t like being told what I can and can’t post on ILE by someone who’s not a moderator.
(also I don’t post from work!)
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whoa
Ailsa: jolly good human being.
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watching alisa and kate fight makes me so hot
Ha, look, it’s one of those people who can’t tell the difference between fighting and offering constructive opinion :-)
Hey, there’s no Australians posting on here how about that.
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Aisla = accuracy.
Just like your spelling, Dmo, eh?
(sorry)
Aisla is a better name. Change your’s to that.
I’m not changing to alisa, that’s for sure:
watching alisa and kate fight makes me so hot
I was *so* convinced that first ailsa post was Grimly Fiendish, and thought I’d missed him fighting with Kate.
not enough Viz-isms / references to kicking you in the knackers. I’m still taking it as a compliment. but I bet he won’t.
Paris Hilton is a cancer, a pseudo-human, a vampiric monstrosity, an airwave-borne social disease destroying human decency
GZeus I kiss you.
oops, sorry ailsa (and of course you’re 100% right in what you said)
Nah, loads of people spell it wrong all the time. I was just being bad and ZINGING PEOPLE OH NOES BAN ME NOW I R A BULLY. (It was the more the mental image you conjured up than the misspelling)
You don’t like the way ILE is, ignore it, react against it
Hi Ailsa... OK will do.
“gosh, the words of a truly level-headed, rational and functional human being! i think you should go see someone about this, i can feel the twitching from here
— lexpretend (lexusjee...), February 14th, 2007.”
Hooray for avoiding the issue and taking my exaggerations(slight as they may have been) seriously(and somehow PERSONALLY) as you have.
Slight of hand in attempt at putting any annoyance on me.
How entertaining...oh wait, I mean boring.
omg
Keef, I meant “do something positive to change it rather than snipping about how it’s not like it was in the old days”—I didn’t mean “hack in and get rid of your personal bugbear”. I don’t know what you mean, but it led me to reclarify, so all’s well, eh?
i’m pretty sure if you or someone else started a ‘UK daytime idle chit-chat’ thread that pretty much all of them would post on it. why wouldn’t they?
I think you should.
Hello. I’m just posting because someone upthread said this: “I’m still looking for a concrete example of how this behavior has affected someones willingness to post.”
And Stet said this: “Kinda tricky to prove a negative, innit.”
I discovered ilx after someone pointed me to a thread where something I had done happened to be mentioned (all good-natured, I was amused). I liked the place and starting posting a little tiny bit but stopped when I was living at a friend’s. Once I got an internet connection in my new house, I was really very reluctant to post because of the bad-naturedness of some of the threads and the general feeling that it might end up being unpleasant. I wasn’t necessarily intimidated (maybe a bit?) but I just thought: nope, that’s not the environment in which I want to discuss things.
It was a shame, because I liked reading some threads (and now and then still do), particularly after an interesting or important news story. It is difficult in real life to get access to people wanting to discuss the same things you do right there and then (and with the same wit and intelligence that some ilx posters do). I wanted to join the Isabel Allende thread, for example, for that reason.
As Ailsa said, if people don’t like the way things are, they can just go away and not post—which is what I did. I’m just saying this because someone was wondering whether willingness to post has been affected, and in my case I think maybe it was.
But then I’m posting this—so maybe that shows that really what I should do is just contribute and not pay any attention to the badbits. Cos clearly I think it’s a generally a decent place, worth the effort of Saying Something in an attempt to be constructive.
fwiw
What a long thread.
Whilst Ailsa is OTM about the current state of things; I don’t have any desire to watch people being unpleasant to other people I think it is worth pointing out (given the increasing frequency of this sort of thread since “Has ILE gone down the dumper”) that I do think something has been lost. I remember a thread a few years back about an ILE compilation album that went off co-operatively and without a hitch. Now I suspect it would be a mere five posts old before some goon posted “lolz people on internetz be making shit musics”. I don’t think that it matters that someone would, it’s relatively easy to ignore: it’s just a shame.
Re the balkanization of the boards, I don’t think ILE should be treated as a sacred cow. I actively prefer I Love Cooking, in part because I actually get some response to posts, due to the pace being slower and more considered, same goes for I Love Books.
don’t have anything to post here
“I actively prefer I Love Cooking, in part because I actually get some response to posts, due to the pace being slower and more considered, same goes for I Love Books.”
Dunno about that — I have good memories of the book threads, the film threads on here I always read. I’d say it would be great if ILB (as much as I like it and have no problems with) would simply move back here. Except of course you can get readers at these satellite boards that you don’t get anywhere else.
This ‘plea’ at the beginning of this thread is the most pathetic load of shit I’ve read in a while. This thread getting 500+ messages is the ‘problem’.
ILE will never be another sinister Barry. LEGO!!! xp
This ‘plea’ at the beginning of this thread is the most pathetic load of shit I’ve read in a while. This thread getting 500+ messages is the ‘problem’.
Agree with the latter, think [mggmgh -mod edit]
well resisted
I don’t see why a plea for more civilized behaviour would be “pathetic”. It may possibly be futile, but that’s a different thing.
lolz @ “for the last year or so I have done my level best not to be a cunt on this board and I intend to keep it that way”
Or did I ‘bully’ you into it?
Uh you called a thread I started a pathetic piece of shit and I don’t appreciate it. “lolz”
A thread I started BECAUSE I THINK ILX IS GOING DOWN THE SHITTER AND I DON’T WANT IT TO.
oh in that case
I guess the trouble is that there was a time when ILE felt like sinister, julio (i’m guessing—I was never on sinister, obv). remember 2002, FAPs etc etc?
obviously that was never going to last forever—it’s 5 years later and ILX is huge now. I think it is true that a lot of ILE has turned into a huge zing-fest, which is a bit if it makes people ignore the really good bits of ILX—eg for me the dance/jazz/experimental threads on ILM, the noise boards, and on the rare occasions I remember they exist the books and cookery boards (which I agree could easily be moved back to ILE—see eg the ILE pynchon thread).
i’ve just installed killfile, and I rather suspect that’s going to improve ILE a lot for me. perhaps some other people here should try it too.
Barrys back:D
some x-posts
I was *so* convinced that first ailsa post was Grimly Fiendish
hey, so was i for the first couple of lines. i thought i must have got up in the middle of the night and done it. and started using capitals.
although then i started to disagree with bits of it and got confused.
there’s absolutely nothing anyone can add at this stage that will act as a panacea for all ILX’s perceived ills. but i do think this thread is fulfulling a useful purpose, insofar as it’s allowing people to get shit off their chest in a marginally more constructive manner than usual. and mark’s original comment is absolutely OTM: he’s not trying to turn it into alt.hug, just pointing out that, you know, perhaps we shouldn’t spend all our time jumping up and down and shouting at each other.
anyway. my thoughts. briefly.
1) things change. ILX has changed quite a bit since i started posting in late 2004. such is life, eh? as someone (dan, i think) said wisely upthread, nobody—not mods, not admins and certainly not thread-starters—can legislate for other people’s behaviour. trying to impose rules of engagement is a complete waste of time.
similarly, any “balkanisation” or otherwise is just part of the process—like it or not, ILX is now much bigger than the sum of its parts, and is going to evolve in ways you might not like. tough.
it’s an internet message board. lighten up, people.
2) sometimes people say twattish things. sometimes a couple of posters will get into a fight. jon’s daft louis/google thread might have overstepped a mark, but why does the whole fucking board have to get involved? we have mods. they sorted it, quickly and efficiently. louis handled it all very well. end of story. move on, there’s nothing to see.
it’s an internet message board. lighten up, people.
3) sometimes threads go off at tangents. sometimes those tangents are irritating and silly and seem to be nothing but zings. sometimes that kills threads completely. sometimes it makes them brilliant.
it’s an internet message board. lighten up, people.
4) the problem, if i may be so bold, isn’t that people are getting “bullied”. that’s a hell of an emotive word to be throwing around. it’s simply that there’s been a bit of low-level sniping and zinginess and suddenly we’re acting like it’s armageddon. it’s not.
it’s an internet message board. lighten up, people.
5) like i said on another thread recently, when someone said: “people are being nasty and no-one’s doing anything”—i am. i’m ignoring it. i’m glad so many others feel the same. if individual posters (louis, dog latin etc) think they’re being hard done by, they should raise it with the mods. the rest of us should stop piling in and shouting FITE FITE FITE.
it’s an internet message board. we all care about it too much. that’s nice for us. now let’s get some perspective, eh?
don’t think I’ve ever seen the louis guy really claiming to feel hard done by and I don’t think the dog latin guy had any grounds for feeling hard done by
but, yes, this is an internet message board. don’t think we need say any more. unless says something that annoys us or we can make fun of
“it’s an internet message board. lighten up, people.”
I hate that attitude.
It’s as though the people on the other end of messages aren’t real, that falling out of touch in the eventual spread of people to other places as the suck rolls in is any different from losing touch with a long-time pen-pal.
People are real, what they say is real, so tell me: why shouldn’t I care about people?
it’s like posting to brick wall
i don’t care about gzeus
a clarification to my own post, which i think gets a bit wrapped up in its own argument.
- there’s no point trying to lay down ground rules of behaviour and say: “if you post on ILX, you must act like this”.
- there is every point in ignoring behaviour you don’t like and not rising to it.
that’s how i can be agreeing with mark’s first post and then seemingly disagreeing within the space of a sentence. sorry, should have spent more time on it.
but then it’s only an internet message board and ...
you are right!!
Toby—Nor have I ever been on sinister, but that’s the feeling I got from reading the first post on this thread.
I know that there was a good feeling about both ILM and ILE back then—but a large part of that ws in the discovery of this place, and then in looking back I always tend to remember the good bits mopre strongly. The board has over time developed as its grown in number, but like you I still get a good feeling out of some threads. I still feel that if I put some effort in it’s possible to get some good convo, which is not very different from 2002, though it might be a diff kind of effort.
(I honestly can’t remember how good it was to compare, just that it was very good.)
Sheesh people, 555 posts and all this was, was a plea to just try being nicer.
you are wrong!!
Heh. Most probably.
Has anyone else had any problems loading this thread?
“i don’t care about gzeus
— temporary enrique (miltonpinsk...), February 15th, 2007.”
Um...you just proved otherwise in posting that...
mind blown
Hope not.
oh, and I just tested. No problems loading.
yeah, julio, I agree. I certainly think I get as much out of ilm as I did then, for instance.
lots of good advise since my first post, from grimly in particular. thinking about it more, it’s not ‘bullying’ which ever annoys me (i’m still not sure i’ve ever seen any of this, tbh), but the same lame jokes again and again (which i’m hopeful the killfile will sort).
Sheesh people, 555 posts and all this was, was a plea to just try being nicer.
— nathalie (wotwotwo...), February 15th, 2007. (later)
you are wrong!!
— RJG (RJ...), February 15th, 2007. (later)
No, she’s right. What did you think it was
Totally agree on the lame jokes front.
ILG in particular(which I posted on for a while because I had just gotten back into games after almost 10 years of apathy...then quit for the most part. ILG I mean, not games) is all about sarcasm, in-jokes, and being sardonic in general.
I don’t see how any of that has a place in an open forum. It just leads to cliques instead of actual groups of friends.
“No, she’s right. What did you think it was ”
Did you take that seriously? It was just a perfect example of what’s wrong with the boards currently, and should really just be ignored.
Sarcasm cannot be properly recognised over the internet. It’s also rude by nature.
This is why I only use it in private.
The first post was that, the rest of it wasn’t.
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You only use sarcasm in private?
Sarcasm cannot be properly recognised over the internet. It’s also rude by nature.
This is why I only use it in private.
what a fascinating insight, i totally agree.
do you think it’s possible to make a plea to just try being nicer?
it wasn’t 555 posts, either
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Yeah, for the most part. I suppose ‘private’ isn’t the best word.
‘Among friends or in small groups’ is better.
An open forum is no place for it, though.
if zoe espera or someone other than a lot of people had started this thread, it would have had a bit of a better chance
am sad to read that zoe espera has/had decided staying away/not posting is/was for the best. nothing much to be done, though. if you are upset/annoyed/put off, the only options, really, are (as zoe espera (amongst others) said) to stop posting or start ignoring
zoe: so maybe that shows that really what I should do is just contribute and not pay any attention to the badbits.
yes. you should. please do.
im pretty down with rjg’s idea of eacho of us having our own boardo w/ teh new code.. ie: chaki board, ally board, marcello board, etc. and we can just pick out who we are loving talking at internet to.
I imagine it being like myspace
But what if there was a CJ The Unruly board and nobody posted on it? My fragile ego couldn’t stand the rejection.
i would not post on that broad.
Self-moderating individual boards?
Might be a bit of a task logistically, and goes against the idea of One Community, but given the chimerical nature of the latter it’s probably what’s going to end up happening.
i was joking, fool. rjg never even had that idea.
It’s still not a bad idea, though.
whatever, dude! me and like 5 of my longhair, stoner friends are poiting at the screen laughing at you!
well you six all miss out when ‘I Love [YOUR_NAME_HERE]’ gets rolled out.
and it’s clearly the best idea of all time.
I would have to ban myself
I’d probably register a couple of dozen new accounts, and chat to myself all day using different user names so I’d look like I was really popular.
zoe: so maybe that shows that really what I should do is just ... not pay any attention to the badbits.
yes. you should. please do.
Er, no! The problem with the ignore-the-badbits plan is that it leads to everyone squirrelling away into their own threads and boards and effectively abandoning the mainstream to the mercy of the fannies.
nobody—not mods, not admins and certainly not thread-starters—can legislate for other people’s behaviour. trying to impose rules of engagement is a complete waste of time.
Ye think? Legislation is all about other people’s behaviour! Do you go “oh, hey, lots of muggings in Glasgow. Ach, well, can’t legislate for behaviour. If you don’t like being mugged, just try and ignore them”.
Then when you text your pals to come out, and nobody does because it’s the fucking badlands, you mutter “ah, well, natural evolution of the city. If i don’t like it, tough.”
that is about a city
Which is a place where people interact. I’m not even going to start on his “it’s just a messageboard” bolloc— oh wait, I am. It’s bollocks.
It may only exist inside computers, and it might be possible to turn it off and walk away, but it’s also obviously important and personal to lots of people, and can make them laugh or cry, become sad or happy etc and is filled with lots of other people they value and care about. Why something like that’s “just” anything is beyond me.
that is about a city
er, yes. this is ILX. it’s totally, totally different. we are all, basically, intelligent people. any true sociopaths can be banned. all the rest is mere irritation.
Er, no! The problem with the ignore-the-badbits plan is that it leads to everyone squirrelling away into their own threads and boards and effectively abandoning the mainstream to the mercy of the fannies.
what fannies? people acting the tool doesn’t make them fannies. it just makes them posters who are acting the tool. they’ve got as much right to post here as anyone else. or do you want it to be a private members’ club? :/
if everyone stopped getting so hung up on other people’s behaviour, this board would improve no end. like i say: if people have a genuine complaint—eg “i feel i’m being victimised/bullied”—then it’s a matter for the mods. but what’s happening most of the time is a pile-up of other posters going OOOH THAT’S TERRIBLE SOMEONE GOT ZINGED OOH DEAR IT’S SYSTEMATIC BULLYING I TELL YOU HEY SEE THAT POSTER OVER THERE THEY’RE A RIGHT CUNT. it’s just tedious.
you’re a site admin; you probably see it differently, and i appreciate that. but you can’t control everybody’s behaviour. you can try ... but you’re going to end up with a very small board indeed.
Why something like that’s “just” anything is beyond me
okay: your personal investment in this is obviously way more than mine, and i’m sorry if you find my attitude glib. but i’d say the same about any other social situation, to be honest: it’s just a pub/it’s just a workplace/it’s just a city. pragmatism 101.
i like ILX. i wouldn’t post here otherwise. i care about it. i wouldn’t have donated to the server fund if i didn’t. and i have made a few genuine friends through this board (which is a pleasant surprise, and more than i’d ever expect of an internet forum). but the vast, vast majority of posters are simply acquaintances with whom i have only one real thing in common: we post on ILX. it’s, er, just a message board. sorry.
what fannies? people acting the tool doesn’t make them fannies. it just makes them posters who are acting the tool. they’ve got as much right to post here as anyone else. or do you want it to be a private members’ club? :/
And people mugging people doesn’t make them muggers, it just makes them people who are mugging people? They’ve got as much right to roam the streets as anyone else.
if everyone stopped getting so hung up on other people’s behaviour, this board would improve no end.
Q-afw-FT.
it’s just a pub/it’s just a workplace/it’s just a city.
Which comes back to the “ach, fuck it, it’s just X, why bother changing it”. Yet you’re the one who wants to shoot all the people who panic-buy petrol come the revolution. You’re going to end up with a very small country.
We should have stuck with housebreakers instead of muggers for our pointless analogies.
happyslappers
faulty rear light on bicycle
Now, let’s get this straight; do we want ILx to be a private housebreakers’ club?
eh? that’s the strawiest straw-man i’ve ever blown down.
1) of course i don’t want to shoot people. i might, in sheer frustration, have said something like that (the fact you remember this worries/amazes me). but, you know, although i think there are millions of wankers out there in the world, i have no choice but to respect their right to exist.
2) ILX isn’t a microcosm of society. it’s mostly intelligent, educated people with an interest in contemporary pop culture. i think, on that basis, it should be pretty much self-regulating. sure, it needs mods for when things get out of hand. but really: what’s so bad here that it can’t just be ignored? so poster A is being a fanny. big deal. posters B through Z aren’t. go hang with them instead!
need to nash; will be late for work.
(xpost to stet, natch)