> I’ve never been anything other than honest about them being threads FOR MY PLEASURE, INTEREST AND ENTERTAINMENT.
> x-post Kate has always made it clear about what the cooler is and isn’t. There’s definitely no hidden agenda.
Watercooler thread #1:
“You don’t have to be from the UK, but it helps to be in this timezone.
So, erm... what did you get up to at the weekend? How’s the weather where you are, bloody typical, eh? Any aches and pains to complain about? How are your local busses running? How does your garden grow?
And most importantly... is it time for our tea break yet?”
“I find all of you boring/unworthy, I wish some interesting people would show up/my real friends would come back.”
Hoo, this sure aint true of me. I only wish I was zingy enough to be part of Noise, or well-read enough for ILB. What I do find unworthy is bullying and trolling and downright vileness. It’s not that the “wrong people” are here, it’s that a small number are being dicks, which affects the whole.
xpost yeh, fair point. Maybe I shuold say “you’d expect more new members to arrive from a pool that size”. Because it feels (and I might be wrong) that it’s mostly regulars here with the odd newcomer.
noise is not all zings!
No you wouldn’t! That’s like expecting every person who reads a random online article/blog is going to fill out the comment form!
I got my first hate blog comment today for bitching about Carrie Underwood.
“I find all of you boring/unworthy, I wish some interesting people would show up/my real friends would come back.”
BYE LOSER!
Anyway, I say the new site gets reg-free trial if we get good spam protection.
The site will remain self-policing. I can’t imagine any way to change that. There is no way that the personalities on this board will tollerate anything else.
I really don’t understand the balkanization complaint. People can come out of their clan threads and post elsewhere. This seems to be what happens. Clan thread just = ilx within ilx. Don’t be a lurker on the regional threads, then. Visit London/DC/Chicago.
The point made WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY upthread about how if people spent more time talking TO each other rather than talking ABOUT each other, we wouldn’t have to have these threads is incredibly OTM.
Also Ed is OTM.
Because it feels (and I might be wrong) that it’s mostly regulars here with the odd newcomer.
This is the way the boards have always felt to me, largely because I already knew a sizeable number of the original posters when it started. I call that feeling “being a regular on the board”.
The site won’t get a reg free trial because I haven’t written it like that.
Don’t worry, Jon will hack it.
Posters that have been supposedly on ILX in recent memory:
Mic@key
Louis J
Paul Edward Wagemann
The only on that list that doesn’t post here anymore is the one WE KICKED OUT.
I’m still looking for a concrete example of how this behavior has affected someones willingness to post.
Seconded, Noise is def. not all zings, though the zings that are there can be pretty fucking harsh! Music discussion there I find to be excellent.
I do have the feeling that the tone of the place has been a bit harsh generally recently, I must admit. I think Mark C’s original post is OTM.
(“seconded” to mr que)
Also, “good content”? Who is the arbiter of “good content”?
Everyone individually.
Yes, to make it reg free. Well, that’s fine if he wants to do the work. Certainly an unorthodox way of programming computers.
xxx-post
The point made WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY upthread about how if people spent more time talking TO each other rather than talking ABOUT each other, we wouldn’t have to have these threads is incredibly OTM.
That was my point (I think) and it’s about the only rule I’d want a mod to enact, apart from the obvious spam/hate speech stuff. That’s how I’d change the “self policing” bit, too.
I’m still looking for a concrete example of how this behavior has affected someones willingness to post.
Kinda tricky to prove a negative, innit.
uh, that should say “supposedly bullied”
xpost: I think the funny thing is that despite what people think, NB is one of the nicest places on ILX, as a rule.
The point made WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY upthread about how if people spent more time talking TO each other rather than talking ABOUT each other, we wouldn’t have to have these threads is incredibly OTM.
Or talking about each other on at other interweb places.
(Also zingy reference wasn’t meant to mean Noise is all zings, just that I’m not zingy enough to be brave enough to post there!)
Not asking anyone to prove a negative, I’m asking someone to find a thread where someone is bullied, and then search that username and show that they haven’t posted since.
xpost
I’m still looking for a concrete example of how this behavior has affected someones willingness to post.
It has affected the willingness of lots of people to contribute on threads which have become vicious and negative. It hasn’t necessarily made people quit ILE forever but that’s not the point. How many threads have died or lost their way because X has bitched out Y and then Z has jumped in on one side or other?
Do we even want those milktoasts? People who can’t take a joke, fuck em!
Probably as many as have died because someone has taken them off topic in any number of other ways.
xpost
actually dog latin left because he was being “picked” on is a good example but to be fair, he kind of deserved it?
I really don’t understand the balkanization complaint. People can come out of their clan threads and post elsewhere. This seems to be what happens. Clan thread just = ilx within ilx.
seriously. i probably post more on the dc thread than i do on the chicago thread these days.
Hahaha John, “I’m not asking anyone to prove a negative, I just want someone to do a search that would prove a negative”!
LOGIC: 1
JJ: 0
Do we even want those milktoasts? People who can’t take a joke, fuck em!
— jw (jon@wiz
I dunno man, there are def people out there who are cool/interesting in various ways, but who are not at all into harsh-style interweb dialog.
Most of the people who complain about bullying or meanness aren’t exactly nice either.
I don’t think you can say that’s true looking at who’s posted on this thread.
i am nice
xpost to Dan: Nope. I’m asking for an example, not a logical proof. As in “Object A (people that have stopped posting because of bullying) exists.” This is the statement people are making. I’m asking to see object A. Dog Latin is actually one that I hadn’t thought of.
Well, there’s bullying and then there’s posting in a state of denial and/or passive-aggressiveness. XP
if doglatin never posts on ILX ever again i will be amazed and impressed.
Being nice is like recycling, you can’t make other people recycle. So, I would suggest being nice but not mentioning it, sorry steve, xpost sorta thing. I haven’t read the whole thread.
but you can make other people recycle!
Jel otm, as per usual.
and we can even recycle other people
*browses ross perot pamphlet*
but they will not like you very much, xxpost
Yeh, and there’s over 20,000 readers every day. You’d expect more of them would want to say something
— stet (bonald...), February 14th, 2007 5:48 PM. (stet)
“plzz sir send guess papers of class 9th urgently for test 5 september”
Can you make my dad start recycling properly steve?
no but the council probably will jel
i’m against recycling zings tho
All I really need to know I learned on ILX.
OH GOD! IRE Will be locked on nucode!
xpost.
we should just start a board called I Love I Love Everything where we can have plenty of these meta threads that discuss the future, zingers, LJ, etc. because we have one of these meta threads every week or so
good idea
You know, the weirdest thing about this thread is the implication in the first line of the first post that it’s alright for us all to go back to being cunts to one another once nu-ILX is up.
xpost
no, that’s for moderator requests, and is not what i’m thinking of, nice try though.
Baby steps, Matt
I think it would make more sense to call it I Hate I Love Everything, though, since that seems to be the jist of most of these things.
I Love To Hate I Love Everything
oh wait that’s Noise Board
When I met Tim H. a couple months ago, he mentioned that in his mind the balkanization of ILX (it happens on ILM, too, cf. the Rolling threads) was actually MORE like what it was like in the beginning: just a bunch of people who know each other gabbing to one another and being pally. These days, there just happen to be several of those conversations going on at once.
or maybe I Rate I Love Everything?
xpost to Dan: Nope. I’m asking for an example, not a logical proof. As in “Object A (people that have stopped posting because of bullying) exists.” This is the statement people are making. I’m asking to see object A. Dog Latin is actually one that I hadn’t thought of.
— John Justen, surrounded by frail, wispy people. (johnjuste...), February 14th, 2007.
Hold on, John. In order to demonstrate that object A exists, don’t you have to prove that object A is predicated of y(stopped posting because of bullying)?
Although, last time I met Tim H, we talked about how pish it all was.
I try to be nice to everybody that is not a troll
I’m nice to everybody except those that don’t deserve it, the fuckers.
Ha ha!
Some people must have
Some people have not
But they’ll complain and complain and complain and complain and complain
Some people will work
Some simply will not
But they’ll complain and complain and complain and complain and complain
Like this: it’s society’s fault I don’t have a job
It’s society’s fault I am a slob
I have potential no one can see
Give me welfare. let me be me!
Hey, bud, you’re livin’ in the land of the free
No one’s gonna hand you opportunity!
Some people must have
Some never will
But they’ll complain and complain and complain and complain and complain
I don’t have a house. I don’t have a car
I spend all my money getting’ drunk in a bar
I wanna be rich. I don’t have a brain
Just give me a handout while I complain
Or this: I wanna stay in bed and watch tv
Go out weekends in a limousine
And dance all night takin’ lots of drugs
And wake up when I wanna
Hey, bud, you’re livin’ in the land of the free
No one’s gonna hand you opportunity!
Some people will learn
Some never do
But they’ll complain and complain and complain and complain and complain
Yeah, they’ll complain and complain and complain and complain and complain
I’m not asking for a philosophical proof of any sort. The point I’m making is that people are claiming that bullying chases bullied people away, but every poster I can think of that has been bullied has stayed (with the perhaps temporary example of dog latin), and in fact has often posted more afterwards. I’m not asking about the intangible people who don’t post because of the environment of bullying, that’s an entirely different issue. This might be the misapprehension that’s causing all the confusion. Sorry about that.
i kind of like the zings?
but then again they are rarely directed toward me.
So you’re dropping the “because”. xpost
dog latin still posts, and in fact linked to his own 3 yr old ‘im never posting again!’ thread when he claimed he would never post again this year
he hasn’t posted after that though, has he?
xxpost: yeah, fair enough, that was sloppy.
CANDYMAN CANDYMAN CANDYMAN
but then again they are rarely directed toward me.
The point I’m making is that people are claiming that bullying chases bullied people away
I don’t know if anyone’s saying that it chases the bullied people away, but there are claims that it puts off other people, by creating a hostile or semi-hostile envir—oh god, even I’m bored of this now.
oh damn, read before posting. xpost
CANDYMAN CANDYMAN CANDYMAN
jon i am immune to the manatee zings!
Dan OMG WTF etc.
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is it just me or is this thread (perhaps not so strangely) lacking participation from most of the traditionally super-hostile ILXors...?
Hey fuck you, pal.
NED RAGGETT OTM
VERILY
*cries*
Hey fuck you, pal.
Hell ;)
What with that and the dead people photos I’m starting to worry about Ned.
you want I should ban him?
I think it’s a fake Ned.
coochie.org
I’m the only fake Ned round here.
AND DON’T YOU FORGET IT.
Wait, what happened to Anna Nicole Smith?
Fluffy Bear, the anti-lex
Not at all. I, too, am tired of Dan Perry’s homophobic bluster. Dan, we are in this together. We will help you let go of the hate.
contra matt i didn’t stop posting bcz of bad stuff happnin on ilx, i stopped posting bcz my mum was dying :(
i haven’t resumed so much bcz it is after all TIME-DEVOURING and i kinda felt i wanted to get stuff done elsewhere a bit and make my fortune and that and then one day come back and you will all want to be my friends but i will DISDANE you haha
<3 mark
oh mark s we knew him when
Dude, that is so much my plan, too, except I haven’t really left and I’m lazy and socially awkward, so I will just settle for disdain.
You were the one who flipped to the end of CYOA books to find the good endings, weren’t you????
Oh wait, that was me. BUT I BET YOU DID IT TOO
then one day come back and you will all want to be my friends but i will DISDANE you haha
So much for inviting YOU to the London FAP.
my name looks weird with all its other letters
mark s irken
Right, this is taking some time to read through, whilst trying to rein in my will to live, which seems to keep deserting me. A quick skim through suggests the following:
Mark: How about, at least from now until nuILE is ready, people DON’T react to any other popular forum demons with barbed comments, malicious witticisms, or just pointless blunt abuse, every single time they post.
Lex: lots of people seem unable to tell when they’re crossing the line from banter into vicious bullying
How about some people not taking every criticism of things they say as bullying, rather just an observation that they aren’t OTM and aren’t getting showered in hugglez? Lex’s comment cuts both ways: why can’t some people see banter as banter and not as bullying? For example, people attack Louis personally. He encourages it! God knows how or why he does, but bless him for it. (I realise there is a middle ground where people are made to feel like shite, but some people can’t tell black and white from shades of grey)
Johnney B: Oh, it’s their opinions that you dislike? Attack their opinions to shit, really attack them, show the world how they are wrong. But don’t attack them personally, or they’ll probably ignore you.
See above about recipients of criticism who can’t tell the difference. Then wonder why you’re getting ignored when you are criticising a person and not their opinions (then wait for a thread on how opinions maketh the person).
Kate: I mean, I’ll be perfectly honest about why I started mine own little Balkan—because I was being repeatedly and focusedly bullied on a variety of threads by very specific individual(s), which was killing those threads. A single thread to corral my chatter also had the result of the ability to ban bullies focused on a person.
Get one fucking blog. You had a whole board (which you locked) for this self-centred bollocks. You now shout at, or ignore, people who you don’t agree with you on what is a public part of a public messageboard. Might I suggest if you didn’t rise to whatever bait was being dangled at you that the threads you refer to might not have been killed in the first place?. Actually, why am I even bothering? You probably think I’m a bully though all I’ve actually done is try to point out to you exactly why you’re the focus of some of this shit (look back on other FITES we’ve had on the watercooler and show me ONE that is bullying you as opposed to me disagreeing with your view on something, go on.)
Ronan: That’s the same reason football threads are some of the most enjoyable, even though I’m no expert I find myself posting on them more because at least there is banter, and it’s fairly constant (eg Liverpool always shit etc)
Also, when all other targets are gone, we can all still laugh at DJ Martian.
when did ’133t’ speak take off on ILE anyway?...I remember when Mark S and Starry would interact and I was like: WTF are they SAYING?
That’s not 1337-speak, that’s Molesworth as any fule no.
This whole thread is shite. You don’t like the way ILE is, ignore it, react against it, drown it in a sea of kittens (actually, don’t do that), leave, set up “I love old-ILE”, whatever. But, fuck it, this meta “I want it like this” “no, I want it like that” shit is dull. NO-ONE CAN WIN! I can’t believe I spent so long reading this. Make it what you want, find a way to deal with it, or fuck off. Me and Ned and teh_kit and stet and RJG and Kate and Sam and Dom and Nabisco and accentmonkey and Uncle Tom Cobleigh are all as much part of this as anyone else and no-one gets to define it any more (if they ever did to start with). The day I can’t be arsed any more, I’ll leave. The internet is fucking huge. I’ll find somewhere else.
(there are many MANY other things people have said on this thread I disagree with. Most of them have been eloquently countered. I can’t be arsed OTMing them, I just wanted to make a point, probably because I’m convinced from things she’s said and done that I am one of these terrible people that’s bullying Kate). Now I’m off to bang my head against a wall, and tomorrow I will continue to post to ILE like I did before.
xpost: In other, lighter-hearted, news, I saw Mark S’ doppelganger outside my work today.
You know what? I can’t even be bothered to read that, it’s just too many blocks of black against mine eyes and I’m cranky enough