Kind of just plain forgot about it.

totally forgettable. Read in half an hour.

the art seemed really half-assed too. Would be even more lifeless without Lynn Varley carrying the lion’s share of the visual work.

yeah, i flipped through the first issue when it first came out and was basically UH. art seemed unappeallingly sloppy, and it wasn’t really much of a “read.”

if they get it at the library, i’ll give it a second look.

its basically a long litany of throwaway superhero gags (Green Arrow as Marxist, the Flash as enslaved human power source, etc.) I only read it cuz a friend had a copy.

I enjoyed that it was completely “pop” in that it threw in a bunch of “serious issues” as sound bites and dispensed with 99% of the deep internal monologue crap that was the strength the original DKR was plagued by. It felt at points like Miller was spitting in the face of anyone who wrote about DKR as serious work, which gave me the giggles.

green arrow was marxist in dark knight returns, tho

that cover up there looks good, tho

it also reminded me that its been 15+ years since I read DKR and I can barely remember a single thing about it beyond its quasi-fascist politics and jokes about dope-smoking hippies forgetting that they have children.

I think with DKSA, what you have is quasi-facists smoking dope.

Frank Miller strikes me as a very confused dude, politically speaking.

see his recent comments re: 9/11 for rundown. gossip sez ayn randian.

that said the colors in DKSA are awesome

I remember him saying he was gonna do some Batman vs. Osama thing, right...? And justifying it with yr standard “people aren’t aware of the threat we’re up against/this is classic good vs. evil” claptrap...?

(he is pretty Ayn Randian... I wonder what he makes of Mr. A)

I liked DKSA more than I thought I would. Mike H. OTM. I think DKSA actually holds up to rereadings as well as DKR does.

mh has good points, but I’m a little confused as to how a work can be plagued by its strengths.

You know, like when Thomas Pynchon excels at dense prose that’s really clever but the problem is that there’s 1000+ pages of it so it gets to be drudgery after a while.

somehow, when you put it that way it makes perfect sense

it gets to be drudgery after a while.

I like it (I was the friend who lent Shakey a copy) as a repudiation of the authoritarian politics of DKR. The art was really sloppy though.

I thought it tempting to read it as very Nietzschean, waht w/Superman and all. That bit about “What will we do with our world” really struck me as advocacy: the overman will rise above the commoners to rule and stamp out the bad shit in the world.

dark night returns is definitely better than mien kampf, but dksa? i dunno.

But then you’ve got the batboys and Batty talking about leading a mass-based revolution to take back the world from the oligarchs too, so wtf.

Frank Miller strikes me as a very confused dude, politically speaking.
— Shakey Mo Collier (audiobo...), December 15th, 2006.

otm perhaps.

dark knight returns, that is.

you know what was some good Frank Miller shit? that one he didn’t draw, about the giant robot.... argh what was that called (Little Boy and Big Robot...?), artist (geoff something?) is totally amazing...

ah—Big Guy and Rusty the Robot.

i like geoff darrow

I feel very lonely in liking Hard-boiled in a non-OMGWTF way.

unfortunately I can’t grab any of the images from that off of Amazon :(

Hard Boiled? (xpost)

No, no, I love Hard Boiled for so much more than OMGWTF.

has everyone seen the trailer for the 300?

that dystopian Frank Miller/Dave Gibbons miniseries was also pretty good, altho also incredibly confused in its politics. Kind of like a third-rate American Flagg (when oh when will the bound reprint of that come out!!!!)

(best Frank Miller = Ronin)

I know Miller and the dude that illustrated Hush are doing a run on All-Star Batman & Robin. That should be some bonkers shit, anybody seen it?

xpost: OTM

FWIW, my Rand-ass urban hermit apathetic/libertarian friend loves the shit out of Frank Miller.

has everyone seen the trailer for the 300?

it promises two hours of video-game cutscene

yeah, but without having beat bosses or anything

300 always looked fantastically boring to me. That A Thousand Ships Bronze Age shit didn’t do a thing for me.

I am the person in the world who greatly enjoyed DKSB. Because I am not so familiar with the DC Universe I found all the superheroes in it kind of exciting.

I really liked the art too. The colours are great.

lol “the person in the world”

I enjoyed it and intend to keep it on the shelf, but I didn’t enjoy it to the same degree as DKR, obv.

I know Miller and the dude that illustrated Hush are doing a run on All-Star Batman & Robin. That should be some bonkers shit, anybody seen it?

— hoo got it for steen, vol. 2 (merlindude0...), December 15th, 2006.

Bonkers doesn’t begin to describe it.

tell me bonkers good. tell me bonkers good, ffs!

I’m sorry, but it’s fucking terrible.

werent the first 3 issues in the batmobile or something?

I really liked DKSA too, for the first time in ages it seemed like Miller was just having a bit of fun with superheroes, and he managed to produce an imaginative, enjoyable comic while doing that. The problem with DKR is that it asks us to take itself seriously, which means we have to take Miller’s, er, dodgy politics seriously (Batman’s quasi-fascism and vigilantism, weed-smoking parents who forget they have a child, etc.) too. DKSA mostly sidesteps those issues, which makes it a less controversial read.

I think with DKSA Miller even managed to bring in some golden-age sense of wonder related to superheroes, something you wouldn’t expect from a normally cynical writer like him. I mean, just the first scene with Atom is like, whoa! (I won’t say anything else not to spoil it.)

I’ve seen that frame before, is that All Stars? Cause if it’s all like that I wanna be all over it.

I read DKSA again last night because of this thread, and I hated it even more than I did the first time.

I wish I could read it again, but I gave mine to Slocki.

ILComics ROLL CALL!

Anybody else pick up that Sandman Mystery Theater revival? There’s some potential there, I think.

Why didn’t we get our own Sandbox board when there’s a board called “goddamned 1p3 hold”?!

I don’t think we asked for one.

I think we all needed a break after THE POLL was finally finished.

I don’t even know who to ask... Who controls this site?

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Oh. I see changes have been made.