movies where the villains are right.
lol movies about the nazis/notorious serial killers amirite?
101 Dalmatians
hitchcock passim
Memento
The Last Samurai:
A new, reasonably democratic (at least, not feudal) government, performs the historical miracle of modernizing their nation overnight. While remnants of the old heirarchal and violent order mutter on about honor, the spirit, chivarly, and other oppressive bullshit, ordinary men, armed with revolutionary new technologies, throw off their centuries-old chains and gun their betters down.
for some reason, tom cruise is involved.
Not a movie, and this is HEUG speculation, but I’m gonna get my oar in early and say “L O S T”. Wait and see.
haha Fast Food Nation
Matrix
yes!
How so?
machines be all about the logic
john ford to thread
evil oppressive simulated reality really actually better than life on a smoking ash heap.
plus the movies were implicitly leninist/terrorist: knowing “the truth” that rips away the veil of the unreal world gives u carte blanche to kill and destroy since everyone around you is an unreal sleeping drone anyway. i hate these movies!!
Starship Troopers (yay bugs)
Bevery Hills Cop (villain = Serge)
yeah, Starship Troopers OTM
Also, Total Recall? If the whole movie was indeed a Recall induced fantasy, then the guys that tried to bring him back (“TAKE THIS PILL LOL”) were just trying to help him out.
your forgetting something: three boobs
2001: A Space Odyssey.
Imagine you screw up at work and your co-workers try to kill you. What would you do? Kill them in their sleep amirite?
star wars
“clean, shaven”
“red road”
i don’t know why i’m putting these movie titles in quotes
i also don’t know why i’m spoiling them for you all!
i also have no idea what jel means by saying star wars??
Maybe he’s on some I’m your father Luke shit.
Jesus Christ, I really DO look like the count.
Dark City
I was just being silly really.
Are they right in Dark City or is it that they just have the cooler abilities?
The Third Man.
All the Alien movies.
spiderman 2
roger & me
Blade Runner
Probably lots of teen comedies where the “villains” are actually for the most part well-intentioned authority figures like teachers, principals, and/or parents.
like red dawn?
I was thinking more like “Beavis & Butthead Do America”.
Jurassic Park
‘inside man’
The Time Machine remake. Jeremy Irons as the head morlock (looking like a member of Dimmu Borgir) offers Guy Pearce his time machine so he can go back, but Pearce gets all capatian-save-an-Eloi and “fights back”. what a shitty movie.
Matrix is right, humans are rapidly growing parasites (in the bigger picture of things)
jesus christ superstar! (only it’s not like the one of judas is clearly right and jesus is clearly wrong, it’s secular humanism v. christianity sort of)
okay seriously, in the context of the Matrix films, do you people not understand that the MACHINES are actually the parasites?
Oh right, When In Rome.
TRON!!! The MCP is TOTALLY OTM
I don’t get the Dark City mention but this:
Probably lots of teen comedies where the “villains” are actually for the most part well-intentioned authority figures like teachers, principals, and/or parents.
is OTM. Not that I don’t still enjoy them but this is always what I need to suspend when watching these movies now, e.g. Ferris Bueller (Just go to class and wait for the weekend, you jackass. Put 10% of the thought and effort you put into skipping class into studying and you’ll get into the Ivy League. The principal is overzealous and takes petty truancy too personaly but is ultimately right.), School of Rock (Sarah Silverman’s character is probably the most sensible), Accepted (I’m all for liberalizing higher education but ...). Of course, I think/hope that part of the point of these kinds of movies is that the heroes are doing the wrong thing but still pull off what people fantasize about doing.
personally
Yeah I think I was confusing Dark City with some other movie with Keifer Sutherland in it. Not real sure what though.
Tombot, re Matrix you’re probably right—but robots are so cool
BTW on the subject of Dark City and the Matrix and such—how about I, ROBOT? same shit, but Will Smith!
oh and bridget moynahan too who is pretty terrible with the acting but actually cuter/hotter than Carrie Moss or Jennifer “is that a unibrow” Connelly
Reality Bites
Swimming With Sharks
I was tempted to mention Reality Bites too.
Marie Antoinette
vive le revolution
Ghostbusters
Yes, the EPA guy is a prick, but they ARE wearing unlicensed particle accelerators on their backs.
I thought the baddy was the goth chick on top of that building with the Dark Side zapping skills.
passolini’s “salo”
The last 2 seasons of “24”—like, seriously, you’re not allowed to torture someone b/c they’re gay. Also Dirty Harry. I’d say 90% of cop movies the semi-villains (a.k.a. bureaucratic “weenies” who make the bad-ass police follow things like “due process” and “not killing alleged criminals”) are way more right than the cop main characters.
Death Wish, then?
You think the guy in Dirty Harrywho shoved a naked girl down a well and stole a schoolbus was right?
Nah, he’s saying the DA guy in this bit was right:
[Harry is getting a dressing-down for his most recent arrest]
District Attorney Rothko: You’re lucky I’m not indicting you for assault with intent to commit murder.
Harry Callahan: What?
District Attorney Rothko: Where the hell does it say that you’ve got a right to kick down doors, torture suspects, deny medical attention and legal counsel? Where have you been? Does Escobedo ring a bell? Miranda? I mean, you must have heard of the Fourth Amendment. What I’m saying is that man had rights.
Harry Callahan: Well, I’m all broken up over that man’s rights!
Planet of the Apes
“A History of Violence”: they WERE right, and the kid WAS a pussbag
“Weekend at Bernie’s”: ditto
“Weekend”: double ditto
Probably lots of teen comedies where the “villains” are actually for the most part well-intentioned authority figures like teachers, principals, and/or parents.
— o. nate (syne_wav...), November 30th, 2006.
Ferris Bueller’s Day Off! He’s such a fucking snot and a complete dick to his friends. I always empathize with his sister.
BTW on the subject of Dark City and the Matrix and such
I’m guessing that people who pick robots and evil alien overlords over humans have had an especially hard time with girls.
I picked Ferris Bueller already! But yeah, the way he screws over Cameron deserves mention too.
My Best Friend’s Wedding.
Julia Roberts is a fucking cow throughout. I know Cameron Diaz isn’t exactly a ‘villian’, but she’s not the one you’re supposed to br rooting for.
> I’m guessing that people who pick robots and evil alien overlords over humans have had an especially hard time with girls
What about Battlefield Earth?
Knife in the Water?
Parse THAT cinegeeks
i sympathized with the terrorists in air force one-
Egor Korshunov: You who murdered a hundred thousand Iraqis to save a nickel on a gallon of gas are going to lecture me on the rules of war?
accentmonkey OTM. Julia Roberts in My Best Friend’s Wedding is completely hateful.
I’m pretty sure Ferris wuvs Cameron. There’s not much to hate about anyone in Ferris Bueller really.
Actually, I seem to have got that wrong. I think this is what I meant:
Julia Roberts in My Best Friend’s Wedding is completely hateful.
Is that better? (actually, I quite like Julia Roberts and her weirdy armpit hair)
Dude, does any remember Cameron as a grownd-up on Spin City, and he was always doing all those cunnilingus tongue-flicks in the air? That was quite boggling.
the breakfast club while we’re at it
also, video games where the villains are right (gears of war)
I saw Cameron on, erm, Stargate Atlantis* the other day where he was REALLY growed up. He was 30 when Ferris Bueller was made (most over-used trivia fact EVER, that one).
* I wasn’t watching it, I got shouted through to confirm that it was indeed Cameron.
That reminds me—I saw Lt. Yarr from STTNG on an episode of Dexter. I had to check twice to believe it was her, she looked so old. But I guess I’m the one that’s actually old.
the breakfast club is a poor example because the teacher actually is kind of abusive and villianish for reals.
following on from air force one, there’s the bad guys in “three kings” who make some pretty good points, too
putting a right-on take of the situation into the mouth of an ultravillians is sneaky; it lets the screenwriter say to himself or others that he’s being even-handed when actually what’s happening is every time an audience member hears that argument in question later, they’ll think to themselves: “gah this moron’s so brainwashed he sounds like a movie villain!”
Seven: Kevin Spacey is totally right. Except for the torturing/killing.