Never understood why there need to be actresses when I’ve never been to the doctress
bags are for women, men have “manbags”
hair removal is for women, men have to “manscape”
etc.
I’m conflicted on “man crush.” On one hand, I like that it opens up the normal-guy discourse to intimations of homoeroticism. On the other hand, the word “man” does a lot of work in signifying that it’s not a REAL crush.
Dear Milo: I am not ILX’s personal Womens Studies Professor. There is like 30 or 40 years of research and documentation on this stuff that you would find if you just used your eyes. And what is just a fun entertaining diversion for a Friday afternoon is the stuff of my actual life. And I would rather spend that life looking at photos of Thom Yorke’s belly.
Also, you are doing this, right here:
That’s just pretty shitty—you start the discussion, then appeal to authority, then claim I’m derailing.
Read what it says in the link. I have told you where to find the information you’re asking for, you just want me to spoon feed it to you, instead of actually reading it, and I’m tired and I want to go home but I haven’t finished my actual work because I’ve been having this conversation for the 10,000th time.
Post pictures of mostly naked women if you must, but don’t let’s be completely dense? She answered you. You aren’t entitled to a crash course in why you’re not checking your own privilege.
Kate, while I pretty much agree with you on the subject, I think it’s bad form to first argue something (that those words are sexist), then when someone asks you to explain it, you just say “why don’t you understand it, go read these books you fool!”. If you’re not willing to back up you arguments, you shouldn’t bring them up in the first place.
(particularly given that we don’t disagree nearly as much as you think we do)
“Go read this book” is not dialogue.
“explain 30 years of research to me in an afternoon” is not a dialogue either, Milo.
But, iirc, he wasn’t asking for that, he was asking for you, personally, to explain your feelings/thoughts.
ie the disagreement is extremely narrow—the problematic nature of and how easily gender identification can be diminutive and sexist (lady doctor, male nurse) is undoubtedly true and certainly worth talking about, but you can’t raise them as exact analogies to new neologisms that carry prejudices built into the word itself.
No one is asking for 30 years of research—you made an argument and are unwilling to discuss it in any way. You can’t demand that I agree with you because you say so.
But, iirc, he wasn’t asking for that, he was asking for you, personally, to explain your feelings/thoughts.
true, but I think K has already explained her feelings/thoughts!
She’s not usually the bashful type
Could draw some lol parallels between womensstudiessplaining and mansplaining here, tbh. The privilege of perceived academic credentials abrogates any need for explanation beyond ‘I said so.’
the problematic nature of and how easily gender identification can be diminutive and sexist (lady doctor, male nurse) is undoubtedly true and certainly worth talking about, but you can’t raise them as exact analogies to new neologisms that carry prejudices built into the word itself.
I think “lady doctor” carries a prejudice (as well as male nurse) built into itself: the whole idea behind adding the lady prefix is that woman being a doctor is an exception from the male norm.
This would never have happened, Tuomas, if you’d known who Zooey Deschanel was
That can very easily be so—but it can also be innocuous. It is possible to use that language solely as a gender identifier, without malice or negativity. Maybe only a small percentage of time, and maybe even problematic in ways then, if you think that gender should be eliminated from conversation.
But there aren’t innocuous uses of manbag or bromance that can be separated from the feminine/gay-panic angle—they’re built into the words themselves.
Like I said, FT’s reaction surprised me because my reading is that it’s 95% agreement, aside from the analogy she drew.
It is possible to use that language solely as a gender identifier, without malice or negativity.
Maybe, yeah, but in this case there’s no commonly used male equivalent to “lady doctor” or “female musician”. If only one gender needs the identifier (because it’s assumed to be an exception from the norm), then there’s inherent prejudice in choosing to use those terms instead of just “doctor” or “musician”.
It might be possible for you to use it that way, milo, but it’s not possible for some people to hear it that way, and in the case of things that have a history of being derogatory or limiting, the burden falls on the speaker to be clear if possible, or at least to accept someone else’s objections reasonably graciously.
Milo, it is this idea that I have some moral ~obligation~ to go on at length and explain an argument for which I have already drawn out my basic position and told you a place where you can find 30 years of discussion on that very thing that you brought up, if you’re interested in learning even more about it.
Instead of me, like, spending my entire afternoon having this conversation for the 8 millionth time—when really I should be finishing up my reports and preparing for a trip to Cornwall in like 10 hours time that I haven’t even started packing for!
And that’s not even mentioning how you demand my time and my attention and my discussion at length—then it’s not you, but *me* that gets all the snide zings and the eye-rolling from people who reduce me to “omg that person who goes on about womens studies all the time!” and complain about the length of the discussion.
But, you know, you can claim the moral high ground about how I surrendered the argument because I chose to go and pack for Cornwall instead of talking to you. The last word! You can have it! All yours. Enjoy.
Also and this is the same point as an essay I read last week about rape jokes: that when you use words that you think it’s time to de-nuance or “reclaim” even though you’re not the recipient of them, or whatever, you can’t help if some of your listeners HAVEN’T thought about it as much as you have, and you may be reinforcing their belief that the terms or ideas you’re using are acceptable on their face.
Pyth, please shout at me, if you catch me on this thread again, instead of packing for Cornwall. The reports are now done and I’m going home. I’m sure I’ve forgotten something important.
Shit. Wrong thread.
remember when she made hilarious movies? I miss those days
With some pics it is hard to say whether you want to smash the person or just the picture.
xp that actually made me cheer
Christ, you guys really know how to fuck up a ws thread, jesus... way to go people, way to go...
Wish we had 77 back ~ at least people knew what a ws thread was meant for there. Bloody nora.
i’m pretty sure that if you go to tumblr.com/search and mash your keyboard for long enough u will get the unadulterated stream of ppl that ppl with avatar ponytail connections to the internet want to pork that you are looking for
some of you must walk sideways from the constant butthurt
maybe their assholes are large enough so that it doesn’t hurt as much?
Rachel Sterne, Chief Digital Officer for NYC
― Mr Jimmy Mod, Tuesday, December 13, 2011 11:28 AM (3 days ago) Bookmark Permalink
lol a while a go i googled to find out if she really was as hot as she appeared in her twitter pic
She’s in the new Gatsby movie, apparently, which is only a shame becuz yeah the funniez but I guess that Shopping movie kinda killed her funny girl status.
Also that pushup bra ad is awesome trolling
Who she?
isla fisher, who might as well be a piece of sexy ‘disney’s tangled’ fanart in that cool retro-styled pinup girl pic
The “cool retro-styled pinup girl” look works tbh
she was in the last couple episodes of bored to death s3 btw. which, I dunno, I thought it was funny
she’s a babia majora and all but an angora sweater and andy’s mom’s skin looks good on everyone
mega push-up beha
I guess that Shopping movie kinda killed her funny girl status.
― Mr Jimmy Mod, Friday, December 16, 2011 4:33 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Permalink
she is amazing in this movie btw. Worth watching just for her performance.
this is good to know
hey guys i just skipped all of this thread to see wussherface from home&away and to set my bookmark. did i miss anything or was it just that twice a year ws thread chatter that is life-draining and never really gets anywhere about nothing really?
people could probably learn a few things from that chatter tbh
there’s no commonly used male equivalent to “lady doctor” or “female musician”.
I don’t know about that, you have male nurse, or male childminder for example. Like the female equivalent they’re necessarily meant in a demeaning way, but culture often gets in the way of them being neutral terms.
Anyway, shouldn’t really be in a WS thread, my lady spouse (do you see?) will not be pleased, but whoever Ari Graynor is, I would most certainly consider WS with anyone elses, and blonde hair isn’t usually my thing.
whoever Ari Graynor is, I would most certainly consider WS with anyone elses, and blonde hair isn’t usually my thing.
I’ve seen a couple of her movies and at the time didn’t rate her above “general hot person”, but on closer inspection she’s got this Monica Vitti thing with her eyes that’s just WOW.
Facebook COO Sheryl Sandberg:
looks like:
there’s no commonly used male equivalent to “lady doctor” or “female musician”.
I don’t know about that, you have male nurse, or male childminder for example. Like the female equivalent they’re necessarily meant in a demeaning way, but culture often gets in the way of them being neutral terms.
No, what I meant is that there is no commonly used prefix for a male doctor or male musician, because those professions are thought to be male by default, hence you can just say “doctor” or “musician”. “Male nurse” is an example of the same thing, when a profession is considered female by default.
The use of “lady doctor” has faded considerably, now that women are not only going to med school in greater numbers, but are often choosing to serve in the less glamorous roles of family medicine and pediatrics, so they are often one’s main doctor. As for “female musician”, I have never encountered it. Not once. And I don’t seem to be a carrier for the idea that musicians are male by default. Composers and conductors, otoh...
“Male nurse” is still going strong, although they are less of a rarity now.
i have yet to encounter “lady doctor” within the field of medicine
Anyone run into “lady strawman” yet?
i think i heard ‘lady doctor’ once iirc
Yeah, I’ve never ever heard Lady Doctor. Wtf.
hay dr. lady
so we have two datapoints; Ron Burgundy and Jerry Lewis
What about Lady Writers?
hey, i’ts mark knoplfer. is that your submission for Male Vagina?
No headband, no cred, no M.V.
sexy lady doctor
god that weisz gif
monitoring-beat-of-her-heart, you say
Is she biting a cuticle?
or just being coy?
I like em tall & funny
Joan Cusack, specifically here:
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I like to imagine that he is saying “I’m in yr forum... MANSPLAININ” with that particular handwaving.
No comment.
Facebook COO Sheryl Sandberg
Ever watched her try to keep Zuckerberg on-message? This is kind of fascinating—http://venturebeat.com/2011/11/07/zuckerberg-and-sandberg-on-charlie-rose/
Amy Adams is charming, but I could do without the pinup thing. Same with the nailbiting. “Ugh,” I believe the kids say.
Joan C is definitely cute.
lol at that yorke pic
I gotta admit, approaching the 2012 I was thinking that I’d find the ws threads more creepy, and the “hold on I’m spoogin here!”-style comments kind of give that feel, but overall the beauty of the pictures on this thread break that barrier for me.
I still think the level of creepiness is like this though:
Posting picture of smashable person you’re attracted to—mildy creepy
Making color commentary — a bit creepy there, depends on wording
Using a reference to your crush as the professional name you sell work under — CREPEY
just for reference, where is “getting a glass of water...at night!!” on that scale?
ice COLD water!
ooooh, I dunno, that is a crisp question
lucy walters as “woman on subway” in the recent film Shame
Tellin’ random strangers on th’interwebs where, exactly on your ~own personal creepiness scale~ you think aspects of their lives belong = DING DING DING BIGGEST CREPE OF ALL
Hold on, I’m spoogin here!
“random strangers”
dayo otm
Using a reference to your crush as the professional name you sell work under — CREPEY
― knackered housecat, Thursday, December 29, 2011 10:55 PM (12 minutes ago)
huh?
I dunno we’re random strangers, we know nothing about that stuff.
On another note:
Carey Mulligan is way ws, but I can’t be bothered to find a pic since it’s more about her excellent choice in film roles and demeanor
I don’t know that I would pick Lucy Walters as the first or second most attractive woman in that photo, despite the obvious telegraphing.
I dunno, I just tend to think that whole ~researching yr life~ stuff to find out what names people use professionally or otherwise is way creepier than than looking at cheesecake pictures of celebrities. But, you know, to each their own personal level of creepiness.
i don’t think that much research was involved?
but then i have no idea what the reference is so:
It’s kinda head-scratchy as far as zings go, y’know, considering no one is using this thread to sell any professional work, it’s just a weird and out of context thing to come up with.
Anyway, ZS is gonna shout at me bcuz this is my second one of the day but seriously, I didn’t post any for two weeks when I was in Cornwall so bear with me for a little how cuet is that BELLY BELLY BELLY BELLY BLEEEEEEEE
was it even intended as a zing?
he has aged pretty well too
I dunno, I just thought that, like, making numbered lists and hierarchies of what specific behaviour constituted crepeyness was itself more than a little suspect.
But never mind me, I’m off to buy some awesome sexay fan art from a dude named “Thom Yorke’s Manhood.”
i just figured it was a lighthearted joke considering the context
x-post his skin is looking pretty smooth for a cigar smoker. Good genes. (or surgeons)
Eh, maybe. Perhaps I’m just being defensive, coz, y’know, I’m a creep. I’m a weirdo. What the hell am I doing here? I don’t belong here.
guessing it’s genes a la Clooney, and
Sorry, I’ve got the giggles now. Is that Alain Delon? Looking good.
oh yes! Alain Delon is kinda my ws for the ages