Hornets asking for E Gordon, Kaman, Bledsoe, Aminu and 2 1st round picks, sources say
no pony?
― mayor jingleberriez, Sunday, December 11, 2011 6:58 PM (47 minutes ago) Bookmark
this has to be some bullshit
If they only get Minny’s pick it’s a helluva deal.
i mean... gordon, bledsoe, aminu AND two picks. i’m sorry, but no.
Out of the two they’re asking for, that is.
chris paul is good but that’s crazy
Why is it too much? Gordon is solid, eventually maybe an all-star, but the others are just potential. NOLA is trading the best PG in the game, and he’s only 26.
Yeah but his knees, he’s still amazing obv, but he lost that wicked first step
just how bad are his knees!
chris paul has never struck me as somebody who gets by on pure athleticism—he’s not the quickest guy at his height and he’s got pretty short limbs
But Paul & Blake together? you give up most anything for that combo.
i mean you’re essentially trading three top 10 picks, a top 20 pick, and then two MORE first round picks for one player
idk man
for 2 years of chris paul
Picks are potential. Take a sure thing over potential or lose Blake. You might lose Blake if Paul doesn’t work out, you will lose Blake with what you have there now.
it was reported last year that doctors have informed Paul that he will inevitably need microfracture. I think the time frame is within the next 3 years.
dang—well amare came back but.. guess CP3 is still young
you will lose Blake with what you have there now.
i don’t think this is true at all — banking on signing cp3 to a long term extension in order to keep blake seems a lot more risky to me than trying to build a west coast version of the thunder, where you have a good, young core that grows together and bonds because of that and wants to stay and play together
i mean i know the clippers are the clippers but being in LA gives them more of a chance than most, esp if they recognize that they could be better than the lakers in a few years
But the likelihood they’ll be better than the Thunder is really low. Since they have to go through them to advance, I don’t see why Blake wouldn’t want proven parts instead of a hodgepodge of possibilities.
it’s hard to overstate how valuable that timberwolves pick is.
But my main thought is it’s the Clippers. They’ll fuck it up either way, but I’d love to watch a couple of years of Blake & Chris alley-oops.
I think Blake would be ok with choosing Anthony Davis and Eric Gordon over Chris Paul.
But the likelihood they’ll be better than the Thunder is really low. Since they have to go through them to advance, I don’t see why Blake wouldn’t want proven parts instead of a hodgepodge of possibilities.
― EZ Snappin, Sunday, December 11, 2011 8:02 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
i just don’t agree w/ this
if they made that trade this is their team,
pg chris paul
sg randy foye
sf ryan gomes
pf blake griffin
c ...they wouldn’t have one
i don’t see how that team is better than the clippers current core PLUS two more first round picks
If the Clippers were a well run franchise they would just be focusing on signing Deron as a free agent imo.
but since they’re total bush league they know getting glamour free agents is almost impossible.
they don’t need deron williams. if eric bledsoe is the fourth best player on their team (and he will be once they get a player from that t wolves pick) they will have a really good team. they aren’t ready to win a title now, they shouldn’t be trying to win a title now. there’s a bunch of teams that have already built up teams that are better than them. they need to continue to draft well, build chemistry with their core and make a run in 2013 and on.
i think people are really underestimating the clippers chances of keeping blake if they follow that model
blake’s knee could blow out again idk
Clips have Caron Butler at SF, but I get your point.
I just don’t see why Blake wouldn’t leave in two years because the potential is all further in the future than that.
they don’t need deron williams, but they could have him! Instead they sign flotsam like Caron. You’re absolutely right that they should just keep drafting well. But if you’ve got cap room you use it, especially with the 90% salary floor forthcoming.
it’s really not! the thunder made the playoffs two years after they drafted durant and it became very clear that they were going to be a force
the clippers are going to make the playoffs this year
Well shit, if they get the next Durant it’s a no brainer!
so, as i understand it, you won’t “officially” know if a player is passed over in the amnesty bidding process until 6PM EST on the day the bidding ends. but does the player learn beforehand is he’s selected? if so, and if billups is chosen, i’m guessing we’ll hear about it — loudly.
...they have the next durant
and yes, this upcoming draft is going to be one of the deepest in a VERY long time
I watched the Clippers blow too many games last year to think they’re gonna make the playoffs. Too many dumb, raw players in the rotation.
getting rid of kaman would be a nice start.
god did you see any of those awful games early in the season that they lost almost entirely because of Kaman?
name 8 teams in the west better than them
but Matt, those dumb raw players are all better than Paul. Even if they’re worse than an average NBA player right now, Bledsoe and Aminu are first ballot hall of famers, as is whomever they might get next year.
they’re gonna be better than the hornets, could be better than houston, portland and denver
alright whatever — a two man team of blake griffin and chris paul is obviously enough to win you an nba title, and is a better idea than building an actual team
the idea that either
a. chris paul is going to sign a long term deal w/ the clippers after their team is decimated by a trade for him
or
b. chris paul, blake griffin, caron butler and a bunch of bums are going to win the nba title in the next two years
is completely idiotic, and if the clippers deal away one of the best young cores in the nba bcuz they think one of those things is true, they really are going to be the clippers forever
I think that right now they’re a playoff team that’ll lose in the first round. If that’s the goal, they’ve reached the promised land.
None of this matters anyways—the Clips are about making money not winning, so the constant churn of young players and the tease of future greatness is all Sterling has ever needed.
I think that right now they’re a playoff team that’ll lose in the first round. If that’s the goal, they’ve reached the promised land.
what’s the ultimate goal? the clippers winning an nba title this year or next year with chris paul and blake griffin as their only top 75 players? their goal isn’t to build a team that may win the nba title, even if it’s — gasp! — four years from now?
this argument is completely inane
name 8 teams in the west better than them
― v-shasty, Sunday, December 11, 2011 8:24 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink
well, let’s see how free agency shakes out first!
I’m not as high on Bledsoe as Aminu as you seem to be. When it comes to their “core” I see it as gordon, griffin and the minnesota pick.
if they gutted the team but kept the minnesota pick I might be down if Paul extended. They’d probably become a free agent destination even with their ownership.
griffin is gonna be one of the 10 best players in the nba, gordon is gonna be top 20, the t wolves pick could net them another huge star. bledsoe will be a top 15 point guard, aminu at worst is a decent sixth man. deandre jordan fits w/ them.
this seems like a no brainer to me. i’m not saying that this is a championship dynasty or something, but paul + griffin + butler and no picks and no other conceivable way to significantly improve your team is not winning you jack, esp not in the next two years
if the clippers make that trade for chris paul he’d hitch hike to the knicks
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i truly don’t think that the free agency model is the way to win, btw — the heat are an incredibly unique situation, not a prototype
I agree this is inane. You are starry-eyed over potential and, after living through the Celtics of Gerald Green and Jefferson and Perk and top picks year after year, I’m less enamored of possibilities versus proven talent.
Not having a center is the real kick-in-the-balls for the Clips if they make the trade, and the Warriors offer sheet is murder if you take it or leave it.
They aren’t going to win with Paul in the next two years, but hopefully they’ll be good enough to sign both stars and fill in the blanks around them. That potential is higher than the young core they have now, in my opinion.
But as I said, it’s the Clips so they’re likely fucked no matter what they do. I’d just like to see them role the dice for once instead of always accumulating parts that leave asap.
If all those guys reach the peaks you project than of course it’s a dumb trade. But if any of them besides Griffin actually do I’d be pleasantly surprised; even more surprised if it’s while they’re on the Clippers.
Outside of the Spurs almost all the champions of recent vintage have been built through free agents or trades. Three in one fell swoop is the rarity, as is it all falling in place in one go.
You are starry-eyed over potential and, after living through the Celtics of Gerald Green and Jefferson and Perk
i’m sorry but all of the guys on the clippers are already better than gerald green, jefferson was a very good nba player, and perk was a key component of a team that won a title and probably would’ve won another had he not blew his acl out
i’m not starry eyed over potential, i’m being realistic that chris paul, as good as he is, isn’t worth essentially six first round picks
bledsoe will be a top 15 point guard, aminu at worst is a decent sixth man.
― v-shasty, Sunday, December 11, 2011 8:35 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink
I’m not that high on Bledsoe at all. He has serious issues with his shooting. Yeah it’s possible but it’s also possible he won’t even be a top 30 pg imo.
I love Aminu but he also has bust potential.
Like I said I wouldn’t do this trade as reported but not because of aminu or bledsoe.
what massive free agent is going to sign w/ the paul + griffin + caron superteam?
The vast majority of guys in the nba are first round picks! If 6 is too many, what about 5? Or is 4 your cut-off? What if they through in a guy drafted in the first round in return?
We aren’t going to see eye-to-eye on this no matter how many times we go back and forth. And we can’t even share a drink over our preseason bar conversation through the net.
I’ll toast you later if I grab a beer from the fridge.
xposts
Ugh—throw in not through in. I need to proofread.
well the massive free agent would be Dwight
If 6 is too many, what about 5? Or is 4 your cut-off?
four seems about right to me, yes
hahaha gtfo matt
dwight and blake feel like very similar players and not too complementary
I would pull the trigger on the CP3 to clips deal, just to see CP3 and Blake blow out their knees in a single play
you guys aren’t seriously about to discuss the possibility of chris paul and dwight howard signing with the clippers, right?
it would be awesome if it happened
you guys aren’t seriously about to discuss the possibility of chris paul and dwight howard signing with the clippers, right?
― v-shasty, Sunday, December 11, 2011 8:53 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Permalink
I wouldn’t trade for paul in the first place if he didn’t extend.
but if he did, yes I think Dwight would be interested.
Gordon, Bledsoe, Aminu, 2 Clippers 1st rounders but not the Minnesota pick. I think that’s fair.
According to the “Trade Machine” they don’t need to put Kamen in it for salary purposes.
is blake still on his rookie contract? what other big contracts do the clips have?
tons o’ room
huh, funny that doesn’t work... anyway if they didn’t sign deandre they would be like 22m under the cap next year.
if they sign paul & howard sure... that’s a good trade
but otherwise there isn’t another crop of wade/bron/melo/amare/howard/d will/paul players just following these guys like an assembly line of franchise altering FAs
I kinda agree with EZ though—yeah you have stories like the thunder and the melo-less nuggs and that time when the rockets won 50 in a row w/o yao and/or t-mac, but those teams never go deep in the playoffs
for every thunder there is a hawks
the way to win titles is to make good picks. This goes for all sports. You can occasionally collude your way to a title like the Lakers did with Shaq but in general you win by drafting well and signing value free agents: mavs, bulls (90s), Spurs etc etc etc.
yeah but the hawks signed joe johnson to a bajillion dollar contract, so they screwed themselves. also they don’t have anyone nearly as good as blake griffin.
the current bulls are likely a closer comp imo
yes, blake has the chance to be dirk/duncan level good. they need to build out a team around him, not try and emulate the heat or knicks.
lol lets all take a moment to pause and consider joe johnsons contract
I would lol so hard tho if cp3 and Dwight ended up on the other team that plays at the staples center
would be worth it just for kobes soundbites
. . . especially if they began beating the lakers by scores like 110 — 72 every game.
for every thunder there is a hawks
ancient wisdom
haha
shit is goin down
The Clippers would send the Hornets center Chris Kaman, backup second-year guard Eric Bledsoe, second-year forward Al-Farouq Aminu and the No. 1 draft pick they got from the Minnesota Timberwolves that is unprotected in the 2012 draft, considered to be one of the best in recent years.
clips wd be sikk with griff, gordon, and cp
yo mbise it says that I’m not in the fantasy league?? dunno what’s up with that
this is 4 clay ;_;
The trade as submitted would cost the Clippers guard Eric Gordon, center Chris Kaman and forward Al-Farouq Aminu. It would also include Minnesota’s first-round draft pick in 2012.
i know jordan posted same thing, but apparently its been submitted now, this sounds abt right fwiw—like the hornets arent getting full value, but theres serious potential there—one legit young player, one serious draft pick, one lol huge expiring contract, and one guy who has maybe an off chance of being good or w/e
man I wish they could have done it w/o giving up gordon
agreed m/l w/jordan via that huge argument up thread that adding bledsoe and the other draft pick to the trade wouldve gutted the clips to an extent that they likely never wouldve recovered—recall that the celtics held onto rondo when they traded for kg—although that trade prob wouldve been irl full value for paul, its instructive as to why teams never get full value for their stars
yeah but w/o gordon its kinda a bag of shit
now if motherfucking donald sterling would just sell the team we might be onto something, cant the government send him to jail or w/e
Weird to keep Bledsoe not Gordon. I guess the thought is there are more wings than point guards and Bledsoe has more time before an extension needs to be offered.
i imagine it was just the package wasnt good enough w/o gordon
gordon’s a wing?
yah hes a 2
Some reports are that NOLA wanted Bledsoe more, I’m guessing as a direct replacement for Paul and because they have more time to judge him before offering big money.
But they should be able to get one of the bazillion point guards from Minny; reports are saying they’ve signed Barea.
They at the end there being Minnesota. Too many theys in that post.