even tho i was shitting on brook lopez earlier, i would prob take him over bynum if i had to make that trade
brook lopez and some russain whores, good thing david stern doesnt own the magic
i don’t think he’s better, but i wouldn’t take on the risk of bynum
btw can we just digress for a second and talk about how andrew bynum’s knees are going to turn into tissue paper w/ this schedule? imagine bynum in game 5 of the nba finals this year? his knee ligaments may actually explode out of his body.
even tho i was shitting on brook lopez earlier, i would prob take him over bynum if i had to make that trade
― v-shasty, Friday, December 9, 2011 4:00 AM (12 seconds ago) Bookmark Permalink
if you cant get better than either of those dudes for the 2nd best player in the nba just choke yrself
sebastian telfair got taken over al jefferson, josh smith, j.r. smith and jameer nelson
btw can we just digress for a second and talk about how andrew bynum’s knees are going to turn into tissue paper w/ this schedule? imagine bynum in game 5 of the nba finals this year? his knee ligaments may actually explode out of his body.
― v-shasty, Friday, December 9, 2011 4:01 AM (31 seconds ago) Bookmark Permalink
when i heard abt the paul trade i was loling at the prospect of the top 3 lakers players being injured
sebastian telfair got taken over al jefferson, josh smith, j.r. smith and jameer nelson
― v-shasty, Friday, December 9, 2011 4:02 AM (22 seconds ago) Bookmark Permalink
i DO recall this
if you cant get better than either of those dudes for the 2nd best player in the nba just choke yrself
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Friday, December 9, 2011 3:02 AM (37 seconds ago) Bookmark
lol this is pretty much what the CEO of the magic did, except replace “choke yourself” with “get drunk one night and sabotage your career”
was traded for the pick that became brandon roy i remember for some ODD REASON wtf
i know i’ve driven the convo off course here, but it’s hilarious how every time an int’l player gets drafted in the second round everyone is like “ah, could be a nice stash pick yada yada” look at this cast of characters all drafted in the second round of the 04 draft
Peter John Ramos
Albert Miralles
Viktor Sanikidze
Ha Seung-Jin
Sergei Lishouk
Vassilis Spanoulis
Christian Drejer
Romain Sato
Matt Freije
Sergei Karaulov
I have a lot of things to say about PJ Ramos
ginobili was drafted w/the last pick of the second round iirc, lol still
found a lil tell here, note the author
Hollinger thought the Lakers overpaid.
i wouldve thought it was not the best but a reasonable trade if the 2nd best player had gone to nola, its houstons role thats really baffling
gasol is the only other player who has any value!
very few people agree with you about that
Scola has value man, come on.
Yes, this was offset with a monumental upgrade at point guard, but look at the big picture. Pau-for-Paul is pretty much an even swap.
luv hollinger but this is crazy talk
it boggles my mind that you think chandler is an all-star but Scola has no value.
the hornets were very clearly taking the nuggets road to success of putting guys together and seeing what happens
adding pau to the hornets doesn’t do anything for them
very few people agree with you about that
― Matt Armstrong, Friday, December 9, 2011 4:11 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Permalink
hey most people still think kobes the best player in the nba
yeah I’m just saying don’t hold out hope that guys like adande are gonna be the ones disagreeing with you
Scola is a really good player man. I disagree with you about Martin but at least I understand. But Scola is just obviously a good player.
it boggles my mind that you think chandler is an all-star but Scola has no value.
― Matt Armstrong, Friday, December 9, 2011 4:13 AM (39 seconds ago) Bookmark Permalink
chandler is an all star, like he played on an all star team, i never said scola doesnt have value, i have been a long time scola supporter on this v message board as a matter of fact, its martin who i think sucks, but a 31 y/o journey man is not the guy a rebuilding team needs
hes just liek a solid dude aka inconsequential in a trade for a top 5 player
he’s not a journeyman in any sense of the word.
hes like a journeyman+, hes not a game changer, he couldnt be the 3rd best player on a championship team, he could be prob the 5th best player on a championship team, i like him, he does his thing w/great aplomb, hes v crafty, chis paul is one of the great point gards to ever play the game
when did Chandler play on an all-star team?
answer: in high school
oops my bad i thought he did but he did not, anyway last year i wouldve picked him, hes one of the best defenders in the L!
07/08 he was sick in nola too!
i mean chris kaman made the team last year be serious!
and tim duncan
but w/e im going to bed, h8 u guys, welcome back nba xo
sorry if this has already been posted, but dan gilbert’s email to david stern, urging him to block the lakers/CP3 trade, is priceless:
Commissioner,
It would be a travesty to allow the Lakers to acquire Chris Paul in the apparent trade being discussed.
This trade should go to a vote of the 29 owners of the Hornets.
Over the next three seasons this deal would save the Lakers approximately $20 million in salaries and approximately $21 million in luxury taxes. That $21 million goes to non-taxpaying teams and to fund revenue sharing.
I cannot remember ever seeing a trade where a team got by far the best player in the trade and saved over $40 million in the process. And it doesn’t appear that they would give up any draft picks, which might allow to later make a trade for Dwight Howard. (They would also get a large trade exception that would help them improve their team and/or eventually trade for Howard.) When the Lakers got Pau Gasol (at the time considered an extremely lopsided trade) they took on tens of millions in additional salary and luxury tax and they gave up a number of prospects (one in Marc Gasol who may become a max-salary player).
I just don’t see how we can allow this trade to happen.
I know the vast majority of owners feel the same way that I do.
When will we just change the name of 25 of the 30 teams to the Washington Generals?
Please advise….
Dan G.
with best personal regards, danny g.
according to a writer for hoopsworld who seems to know his shit, the trade was nullified through the commissioner’s veto power, not through an ownership role. In order to prevent collusion a governor was appointed to approve all financials (Jac Sperling) and he did so.
hm. if that’s the case, it is crazy. clearly, smaller-market owners (e.g., dan gilbert) were furious about the “competitive balance” issues in big-markets creating “superteams.”
damn, shit went ham itt
hey while y’all wer arguing about the minutia of the Knicks pick, u completely ignored the fact that mr chuklebutt holds all the cards bc cp3 is a franchise player and unless u get one in return the trade sucks from a business perspective even if it wast horrible for basketball
owners are pissed bc they’re tired of the cycle of lakers getting what they want bc they always have the pieces/resources to make it happen, trade nullification is a legit interest to the league and the hornets bc without a franchise face, they have no reason to exist (remember: only six people live in new Orleans now)
but the alternative to trading cp3 is him leaving in a year and the franchise being destroyed. This was a good deal for a guy who is definitely leaving you in a year.
I wonder how many of the traded players show up for training camp?
remember when they traded kwame brown for pau gasol
remember
LAMAR ODOM @RealLamarOdom
When a team trades u and it doesn’t go down? Now what?
lol just when we thought we had it back the league is disintegrating before our eyes, where tf is diwght howard going, i fear what morning may bring
lol <3 u guys but you really should go to bed earlier
if we went to bed earlier, we would have missed the trade, the un-trade, the CP3 reaction, the gilbert email, the odom reaction, the . . .
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz . . . .
(yawn).
oh, morning. i had this bizzare dream where the heat signed eddy curry. lol.
I went to bed. It was nice. Though I’m sorry I missed the “mid-round/18–20/u suck at math” kerfuffle.
haha
practice down in el Segundo won’t be awkward at for the lakes
im sry i was clearly quite drunk, i went to bed three hours ago, just woke up thinking it was like noon and had to check back in, my god
it was a really terrible trade tho, dan gilbert otm re salaries even if he did use comic sans
it would be p funny if the lakers just ended up getting howard instead
it would be p funny if the lakers just ended up getting howard instead
not looking like they will . . .
Chris Sheridan @sheridanhoops — Dwight Howard is reportedly going to ask for a trade to the Nets, unless things suddenly change. Which can happen.
lol
In light of the league’s refusal to allow Chris Paul to dictate a trade to the Los Angeles Lakers, one has to wonder if it will sit idly by and let Howard facilitate a move to the Nets.
if the nba won’t let a star player move to the NEW JERSEY NETS, who WILL they let him move to?
i sympathize w/players wanting to force trades to certain places and all but its really starting to be kinda a downer
good question
Ethan Skolnick @EthanJSkolnick — If the half of the players who didn’t bother to vote on the new CBA were given another chance to vote now, how would they vote?
theyd prob vote wtf is going on right now
this is crazy
lol who are the nets suposed to trade for howard
johnhollinger John Hollinger
Breaking: The NBA is changing its name to Venezuela.
4 minutes ago
haha did hollinger just sort of make a successful funny, i cant even tell anymore
johnhollinger John Hollinger
One other thing about Gilbert letter: He doesn’t appear to understand the difference between revenue sharing and the luxury tax.
50 seconds ago
nullify all future trades, contract the hornets and magic after this season problem solved
haha, yes he did make a joke.
nets will trade lopez and other stuff for howard.
nullify all future trades, contract the hornets and magic after this season problem solved
― smh, Friday, December 9, 2011
add cavs and . . . hm.
nets will trade lopez and other stuff for howard.
― Daniel, Esq., Friday, December 9, 2011 9:04 AM (17 seconds ago) Bookmark Permalink
now that would make the paul trade look quite reasonable in comparison
haha. yep. well, bear in mind that bynum is the only other player discussed as the “centerpiece” going to the magic in exchange for howard.
if healthy for the long-haul, i’d take bynum over lopez, but that’s a big if.
feel like some other teams are gonna be wanting in on this howard sweepstakes, like who doesnt want dwight howard
if only there were some other really good player that could be moved for him straight up
haha.
sorry, we are not trading eddy curry to orlando for dwight howard.
eddy curry is part of our long-term future plans.
KBergCBS Ken Berger
As soon as union reformed and new CBA passed, thus shielding league from antitrust law, first thing it did was restrict interstate commerce.
44 minutes ago
lol
mario chalmers staying with heat
mario chalmers @mchalmers15 — Imma MIAMI HEAT player until they don’t want me no more. Let’s get this ring
I wonder how many of the traded players show up for training camp?
― Matt Armstrong, Friday, December 9, 2011 6:23 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Permalink
at this point it looks like at least paul and odom. oh and also chauncey lol.
Imma MIAMI HEAT player until they don’t want me no more.
so... two weeks then?
o damn
damn, clay’s gonna wake up to some shitty news
Chris_Broussard: Sources say Brandon Roy to announce medical retirement due to degenerative knees, possibly as soon as today
haha. well, you’re assuming something better will come along
(cough cough) chauncey billups (cough cough)
but that isn’t really likely to happen, much as i want it to.
(xp)
Chris_Broussard: Sources say Brandon Roy to announce medical retirement due to degenerative knees, possibly as soon as today
― v-shasty, Friday, December 9, 2011 10:28 AM (37 seconds ago) Bookmark Permalink
rip that sucks bigtime
good guy, great subtle mastermind type ball player, you were taken from us too soon
and the nba has no damn 2 guards anymore!
billups officially amnestied
that suxxx about roy
not sure there are that many teams under-the-cap, and thus entitled to bid for billups services. i’d guess that at least one of them would take him, if only to get something in trade when he forces his way to his preferred destination.
but i bet he’d like to go to the heat, for the chance to play against the NYK this year.
Is there a minimum bid—say, the veteran’s minimum? Otherwise, someone could get an amnestied dude for like $1/year. Which is kind of great, come to think of it.
yeah, there’s a vet/minimum.
but again, billups can create leverage for himself by announcing that he’s going to be an unmotivated player and locker-room problem if he winds up in an undesriable situation.
he has done that already via his agent iirc
right; that’s what i meant. i also figured that, with the passage of time and perhaps realizing his actual leverage was limited, he may soften his stance. so we’ll see.
i mean, right now he’s not being threatened with release by the NYK; he’s actually been released by the NYK. so if his complaints were designed to deter that from happening, he failed and it’s over.
awww brandon :(
so if a guy gets amnestied, the team pays him his contract but it doesn’t go against the cap, correct? but what happens when he gets picked back up?
correct up to the last sentence, where i don’t know.
btw, james jones returns to the heat
Ira Winderman @IraHeatBeat — Agent Joel Bell confirms to Sun Sentinel that James Jones has agreed to a three-year deal to return to the Heat.
so if a guy gets amnestied, the team pays him his contract but it doesn’t go against the cap, correct? but what happens when he gets picked back up?
― v-shasty, Friday, December 9, 2011 11:08 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink
my understanding is if he gets picked up in the draft/wavier wire thing i dont know what to call mode then the team who picks him up pays some set amount of the contract while the original team pays the rest—if no one picks him up hes a free agent and his original team pays the entire contract
okay, that makes sense
Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA — Portland’s Brandon Roy has been diagnosed with a “career-ending (knee) injury,” league source confirms to Y! Sports. “He’s done.”