is that an example of ‘spam’?
xposts
If so there’s a “spamalot” of it.
Yeah the Brethren is pretty awesome, if you can get past his shitty newspaper writing style.
I propose Superaids for anyone posting in this therad.
the unknown known here is that trolls are kind of fun, in a perverse way. arguing with them is sometimes an exercise in community something-or-other (or at least self-righteousness). even getting wound up by them must have its own nasty enjoyability.
Which is more tiresome — deliberately misreading nabisco or being a sycophant? I don’t mean to make an example out of him and I do agree, he is OTM, but consensus gets really fucking boring (as does dissensus AMIRITE LOL). Witness all the U2 / M.I.A. haters, etc. I’m not saying there is nothing substantiative to much reactionary criticism, but it is certainly more (smugly) satisfying to be able to argue from a hardline rhetorical stance (cf Geir).
some people are not even aware of their own intents, let alone that of others.
More people need to realize this! KUDOS.
oh god that reminds me, I’m supposed to be getting tix for that as an xmas pres.
that was an xpost to Marc.
arguing with them is sometimes an exercise in community something-or-other
the people who spend their lives reverting wikipedia vs. Dom/forks/esteban/me
I don’t think Marcello’s a troll. He seems to fall into the drive-by abusive comment category—if that’s yr criteria, then Dan Perry’s a troll.
The late, great Mike Dickin would surely have approved (gff xpost).
if not i think Marcello may be the biggest troll in ILX history, in the end. countless unconstructive, unreasonable, dismissive and indeed abusive remarks over the years. and to a number of different people.
Stevem, as so often, OTM.
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Roffle. 10/10
as I said.
Kate and Steve both need to cool down majorly. If I were a moderator I’d ban them for a month.
since he manfully avoids any direct communication with me in real life situations, so it is difficult to establish the basis for his equivocal assertion.
manfully? and why do you think i prefer to avoid you? (answer below)
particularly as i get on perfectly well with ilxors in real life
i think the main reason for this is that you haven’t been quite as scathing or snarky about them on ILX as you have towards me over the last couple of years so there’s no beef obstacle (edit: i’m glad i posted this if only for ‘beef obstacle’). iirc it all started when i criticised you for your behaviour on some thread, not being used to your ‘persona’ or wise enough to just let people be as cuntish as they wanna be and it must’ve escalated from there. i will criticise if i think it’s warranted and i don’t abuse unless abused but you seem to operate the other way round and expect everyone to tolerate it. of course the smart thing to do would’ve been to just ignore it all but i’m nearly as stubborn as you are so can’t ‘forgive’ as it were.
Which is more tiresome — deliberately misreading nabisco or being a sycophant? I don’t mean to make an example out of him and I do agree, he is OTM, but consensus gets really fucking boring (as does dissensus AMIRITE LOL).
im not being a sycophant, don’t even necessarily think nabs is otm here, but it gets really boring when people just read shit wrong and then go on about it for ever.
PS jw i thought *you* were doing the reverting of the fluxblog zings on the ilx wiki page?
I must remember to buy some beef obstacle at Tescos on the way home tonight. I’ve no idea how I’m going to use it with the turkey, mind.
coulterists who hunt in packs
just popping in to say this line is great
srsly if proof is needed when nu-ilx is back i’ll link to that old Club FT thread where i was DJing for a reminder of the baffling level of nastiness exhibited towards (not just) me by yer man here.
let’s just say it solidified an already established precedent.
What I do not understand is what possible joy people could derive out of that kind of defacement.
Sorry, I’m not picking on you, JW, but that description of you and/or troll buddy registering other people’s names—honestly, what do you *get* out of that?
Maybe this is because I’m a middle aged middle class vaguely conservative woman, and I’ve never been a teenage boy, but what is the joy in it?
Is it like the thing of tagging, of writing your name in the drying cement? Do you find some amusement in realising that you are creating a mess that some other poor sod will have to clean up?
This is honestly not trolling, I really would like to know what the appeal is. Obviously there is some, or people wouldn’t waste their time doing it. What is it?
(the weird thing is, with all this “calm down”ing and crap, I’ve not actually lost my temper or even my cool once while reading this thread. Which is odd, for me.)
See what I mean? Funny how it’s always the same Dynamic Duo who try it in these circumstances.
Perhaps they can go off and make some hay and then we’ll all be happier.
Perhaps the most notorious incident in his career occurred when, in a review of Tori Amos’s album The Beekeeper he appeared to call for the abduction and murder of Amos’ daughter Natasha.
Talk about trolling!
It certainly throws “beef obstacle” into sharp relief.
As I said.
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I think there’s a rough distinction to be drawn between people who consider their social persona online to be the same as their social persona in most situations with semi-strangers or near-acquaintances, and people who believe that the internet is a different social world with different rules. (i think i can remember a momus thread on real-ilx that dealt with this? featuring a load of our favourite recurring characters). The belief that you can get away with things on the internet that you couldn’t do in ‘real life’ is pretty strong, isn’t it—which sometimes means ‘you can be rude’, and sometimes means ‘you can be the girl you always thought you should have been’.
One fundamental reason why I don’t troll (beyond ‘cannot be arsed’ and ‘frankly it never occurred to me’) is that I don’t want people to dislike me, whether they meet me in person or online. In theory I understand the ‘negative attention is still attention’ theory of trolling-to-get-noticed, but it’s pretty foreign to my way of thinking, as is the ‘venting misplaced aggression at world left over from past injustices’ idea. I suppose I sound disingenuous, or I-am-too-nice-to-understand-mean-people, but it’s mostly just that the thought of playing the fool in the middle of a group of mild acquaintances (which is what most of ilx are to me (excepting london-ilx all of whom I hate many of whom I consider good friends)) kind of fills me with revulsion and shame-by-association. I’m pretty awkward around anyone who makes a fool of themselves on the internet (whether intentionally trolling or not), the way I’m awkward around people who make fools of themselves under any other circumstances.
So every time I try to imagine how internet-trolls are in real life, I just get the sense that they must be much better than me at behaving differently in different social situations; or at least at maintaining the belief that ‘the internet is different from face-to-face life’. (or alternately they are socially bad all of the time and just reserve the egregious worst of it for the internet where there’s less fear of reprisal).
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Ah, the other classic ILX diversion game.
See what I mean? Funny how it’s always the same Dynamic Duo Solo who try tries it in these circumstances.
Perhaps they he can go off and make some hay and then we’ll all be happier.
Fixed that for you, no thanks needed.
witty
I don’t understand why you keep hanging around threads you don’t like either (xpost).
See what I mean? Funny how it’s always the same Dynamic Duo who try it in these circumstances.
Perhaps they can go off and make some hay and then we’ll all be happier.
Why not actually address my comment properly? Respond with explanation?
I suppose diverting the scrutiny onto others IS easier...
ma peeps kv and rock got ma back
hell even my other ilx nemesis has got ma back
it’s been one of those days
(or alternately they are socially bad all of the time and just reserve the egregious worst of it for the internet where there’s less fear of reprisal).
ding ding ding!
look, everyone is “nicer” in real life, ilx is a rough town. even the most level headed and non-trolly types will fucking swear at each other! over very little!
Roffle. 10/10
That’s not even the best one!!!
Anyway, pretty much everyone accusing people of being trolls on this thread has been pretty abusive at some point.
xpost
Sorry, I’m not picking on you, JW, but that description of you and/or troll buddy registering other people’s names—honestly, what do you *get* out of that?
*I* only registered one and I haven’t had a chance to use it. As far as what I’d get out of it; I would hope I could perform some work of magic akin to making people suspect that Tuomas wasn’t Tuomas anymore, or posting a link to purchase a Zune with a fake affiliate id to set off ILX’s hysterical morans would be amazing.
Granted, I haven’t done anything funny lately that you know of, but I really like the idea of using the ambiguity of identity on the internet for possible comedic confusion. I know I’ve “played” around this before to slag on people who I had problems with, but I’ve been pretty good at not getting into shitfests lately.
Six Trolls in Search of an Author
ME RIGHT NOW:
Granted, I haven’t done anything funny lately that you know of
SHOCK REVELATIONS IN STORE
That’s not even the best one!!!
Top ten rundown U+K.
Also, I think a lot of my displeasure towards The Amazing Randy mk ][ was that it had taken something that was good and pure and mysterious and coopted it to be a tool of being mean and unfunny. I also seem to recall that a number of Britishes posters didn’t feel like to fessing up as to who it was and a number of admins didn’t feel up to IP banning it.....
THE TRUTH? ILX CAN’T HANDLE THE TRUTH!
Dom, perhaps you, me and and others should start a collaborative wikipedia vandalism best of blog?
OBIE TRICE
hi dere it was me jon :(
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Granted, I haven’t done anything funny lately that you know of, but I really like the idea of using the ambiguity of identity on the internet for possible comedic confusion. I know I’ve “played” around this before to slag on people who I had problems with, but I’ve been pretty good at not getting into shitfests lately.
OK, thanks for explaining that. It makes more sense to me now. (And a lot more enjoyable than a shitfest on either of our parts!) Identity confusion has been a stock of comedy since Shakespears’s day.
It’s just a bit difficult seeing the humour when it’s you getting the hassle, I guess.
There was also the period of “Well, I felt the Garu G character had gone as far as it should and it was nonsensical to either carry it further, or to basically just keep repeating it..”
“OBIE TRICE” is easily the funniest bit of Wikipedia vandalism ever, and I have no idea why.
jw- i like the cut of yr jib. A databasey website may be better, tbh, if only to list the lengthy stream of endeavours Wikipedia now attributes to Trinidad and Tobago international Ricky Shakes.
it’s like being caught in a revolving door of pathetic and funny
I kind of figured; are you sure it was always you? Were you the original too.
Dom, perhaps a wiki
Would the wiki be subject to vandalism though? And would that be ironic or not?
Re: “The Real Dirty Vicar” = I probably haven’t been paying close enough attention, but I thought that he called himself Dirty Vicar, and then when he was informed that there was already a Dirty Vicar who sometimes posted to this board, he changed his name, somewhat cheekily, to The Real Dirty Vicar. I haven’t noticed any malice in his posts.
Or maybe someone else had already registered as the Dirty Vicar, and posted as such on some sport thread, so the original Dirty Vicar had to register as something else, perhaps with a name asserting his authenticity and proclaiming his realness.
I kind of like the idea of a Turing-style identity test. What would make you think that I was the person who posted on old ILX as DV? Why do you think I am not?
Hawkwind and the Telescopes are both playing tonight in Dublin. Who do you go see?
Dom, I don’t have time to setup a wiki until the new year, but I would totally do this and know a number of people outside of ILX who would enjoy contributing. If you’re serious about this and we can get momentum, I would love to do this. I would be a little bit worried about legal stuff though.
The one time I edited a Wikipedia page to make Guru Josh the founding father of Sikhism it got reverted double-quick :(
I kind of like the idea of a Turing-style identity test. What would make you think that I was the person who posted on old ILX as DV? Why do you think I am not?
And if jaymc beat it, would he be Dirty Vicar?
The Chalets
Hawkwind and the Telescopes are both playing tonight in Dublin. Who do you go see?
Is this is the Kate St. Claire book in this series:
What would make you think that I was the person who posted on old ILX as DV? Why do you think I am not?
I thought you were not because I honestly hadn’t seen you post in a while.
JW, do you have no sense of... I don’t know... You *hated* it when the Noize board was fucked with and vandalised by drunken Canadians. And yet you want to make a musuem of sorts commemorating your vandalising other internet sites? Does that not strike you as as bit... odd?
jw- i’m tied up w/ work for the next x, but shoot me an e-mail in the new year. We can come up with some bullshit spiel about cultcha-jamminghackingrewriting in mitigation if anyone threatens the legals.
The one time I edited a Wikipedia page to make Guru Josh the founding father of Sikhism it got reverted double-quick :(
— Fat Lady Wrestler (noodlevagu...), December 21st, 2006.
make you sikh, doesn’t it
Finding the right Wiki targets to vandalise is an art. You want ones that are gonna be read a lot, but edited rarely. Old poets, small towns, video games are all good targets. The Quake article claimed it was released in Japan under the name “Hen Fap” for nearly four months. Perpetua is still listed as a proponent of Hoyay, I believe.
We can come up with some bullshit spiel about cultcha-jamminghackingrewriting
It didn’t work for the Esteban Buttez character, son.
Speaking of which, this gay dude I know lives with this guy who shares the same name of some obscure director and so he edited his name in the “lives with...” bit. And I think it’s still hasn’t been reverted ^__^
We’re learning from your mistakes, man. Well me and the person who changed Simon Reynolds’ entry to claim that his favourite song ever was “Flagpole Sitta”
I have too. Your favourite all-time album still is Kool Moe Dee’s How Ya Like Me Now and has been for just over half an hour now.
Thank you for experimenting with the page Rugeley on Wikipedia. Your test worked, and it has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any other tests you may want to do. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. A link to the edit I have reverted can be found here: link. If you believe this edit should not have been reverted, please contact me. Michaelas10 (Talk) 17:21, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
That took literally 1 minute.
^ my favourite one ever. (x-post)
Now that was a good ‘un.
This is just like a thread of old! I’ve just scrolled though it!
Everyone OTM!
Oh, and according to Wikipedia for several months, Esteban Buttez was a Gaelic Footballer.
“God bless us, every one.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fluxblog&oldid=95748290
(See: Dom Passantino) is the cherry on top of this one!
I heartily approve of wikipedia fuckery that is playful rather than blatantly abusive [/controversial]
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Ha ha ha ha ha
“A rotting human femur” was me. I’ve had too much time on my hands recently.
I also changed it to read “Gerald Sindstadt”, which isn’t particularly funny, but then I got curious and clicked on the link to see if his edit history was full of people inserting references to him getting fired for wanking in a gay cinema. Turns out his edit history is entirely dominated by Robin Carmody, whose profile still contains a vandalised reference to Hen Fap. It’s a small pretend encylopedia out there.
“OBIE TRICE” is definitely the best one ever, for the sheer unexpectgedness of seeing that. Steve otm also, although I have not always entirely adhered to this.
hmm, what’s funny about the obie one? the fucked up discography?
No, the entire Fluxblog entry was deleted and just replaced with the words OBIE TRICE for a while.
Of course, when the entry for “Ant Simulation Video Games” was deleted, those of us on another forum paid our respects in the suitable way:
This is where I just shake my head and repeat to myself that I’ve clearly just not really got a sense of humour.