Siberian huskies, not Alaskan ones. Apparently Alaskans will vocalize LOTS if they’re in proximity to other dogs. Siberians apparently yowl and “talk”, but that doesn’t carry as far as the kind of barking that makes the neighbors want to slip a little strychnine treat under the door while you’re at work.
Sorry, Laurel, but I guess I prefer “feeling like a fat medieval duke gorging on mutton while sloppy hounds drool next to the fireplace” to “feeling like a character in a Jack London book.”
Yeah, I like having a wolf or two around the house. Just for kicks.
Also, drooling? Never a compelling argument for anything. Well, anything good.
anyway back to creation
don’t forget shiba inus, the smiley japanese wolf hound doggo:
(there’s a disturbing amount of cosplay results when you do a GIS for ’em)
shiba is hugely cute
omg @ shiba inu furries on GIS
WOULD SMASH ALL THESE CHRISTIAN SOLDIERS
so glad i clicked on this thread
omg xpost SHIBA INUS OMGDSLKHDSG
the two on the ends have hitler ‘staches lol
want
WGFAM*
*would give frankincense and myrrh
“Now, what I mean by ‘sex with the lord...’”
*PUNCH*
up in the twin cities, there’s a new group who’ve been putting up a series of billboards.
Brilliant. Everyone has an opinion. Every tenant of modern biology is just your opinion.
tenet
/pedant
pedet
/tenant
tynan
/delong
What I meant was, those who live in and pay rent to modern biology.
Well, it IS just a “theory,” after all. Ain’t no theory controllin’ my life, i tell ya
bbbut it DOES! it controls their argument! look at the site, the “this is the word of god” argument is totally occluded behind “oh looky scientists disagree.” which is what scientists do, and how science works. they’ve given up the game, and they have to.
i’m actually pretty optimistic on the darwin vs jesus fite. all the history of science suggests that theologians and religious authorities spend whole lifetimes on arguments about the nature of thought, matter, time, etc, only to have empiricism slash whole realms of their debate away from them, leaving the next generation to reframe their debates in the smaller space left.
of course at the popular level, the I AM NOT A MONKEY meme won’t be going away quietly (cf women calling up theaters asking if the dinosaur puppets are darwin or jesus-friendly), but no religious outfit asking for your ear can credibly claim that science doesn’t know what its talking about re genetics, cell biology, etc (in short—LIFE), just that “they don’t know everything.” yeah, not yet!
update
today i was discussing with my co-worker what to do when kids start crying at the end of velveteen rabbit (‘but he loves that lil bunny...’ ‘no. it will only make him sick again. burn it with the rest’) a early 30something mom sidled up & said
‘you know that movie HAPPY FEET? from the commercials you think its just about penguins dancing and having fun but i heard from a lot of people that its really making kids cry because its scary and all full of adult and GAY THEMES and stuff like global warming’
i asked her who she heard all this from & she admitted it was her husband and the tv show ‘fox & friends’
oh man, see if you can get the next one to enumerate the oppressive gay themes in the movie, and if it’s more gay or less gay than Spongebob.
I heard that Happy Feet was just plain WEIRD.
Like, environmentalism blahblahblah and VEEERY little to do with the original marketing(or the kids book that a 7 year old student of mine read to me before the movie’s release...).
We need truth in advertising.
“Take your kids to this movie. Because it’s never too early to start indoctrinating hippies.”
In any case, “Who do you think you are?”
Um...extremely genetically similar to that monkey right there?
I wasn’t born in Ireland, but that doesn’t mean a few Irish people aren’t related to me on some level.
Note: I’m only part Irish. Small relationship on a genetic level relative to the rest of my heritage.
KIDS MOVIE IN PRO-ENVIRONMENT PRO-“ITS OK TO BE DIFFERENT” SENTIMENT SHOCKAH
The Onion liked it, and the RT/MC scores both have it at 75%+
Feel free to peruse the user comments, tho, including the following:
JC L gave it a2:
The movie’s agenda squashes the fun out of this film- Message: Anglo, religious, Southern, father authority=BAD. Latin, ethnic, U.N., rebellious children= GOOD. Scottish (Anglo) and Southern accents were given to the villains and failed father. Latin and ethnic accents given to the enlightened and fun characters. Unfortunately, I was in a theater full of kids and none of them were having fun or laughing. Graphics were great and kept this from being a total loss.
bran h. gave it a3:
I’d give this movie an 8 for ambition, but a 3 for execution. The film has 2 agendas, one of which reviewers and audience members alike seem to have totally missed. The first is the well-recognized eco-agenda that shows up in the last 30 minutes of the movie (practically out of the blue) and which, though creatively and compellingly handled initially, is ridiculously resolved in the closure of the film. The second, which is both the one that is missed and the one that drives the film’s plot, is Mumble’s personal storyline—which is a very thinly veiled metaphor about the experience of coming out and seeking community acceptance as a gay man. Mumble is “different” from birth, he’s inherently happy (read: gay) about who he is and doesn’t mind his difference at all, he is rejected by his community and his father particularly, and finds a new community with sassy, brassy, carefree, dancing, party animals who appear to lack serious convictions about major life issues (a metaphor for the gay bar scene). I like that the gay agenda is presented in such honest and matter-of-fact terms and think that the movie could’ve been a wonderful one had the filmmakers simplified their presentation around that, but the rest of the movie is just so confused and sloppy—once the eco-agenda is added in to the picture, and issues of madness and depression are thrown in, as well as various religious/metaphystical issues... Well, the movie just gets totally confused, loses its momentum, and, as a result, can’t support it’s story nor it’s twin agendas very effectively.
Ray H. gave it a2:
I saw this with all of my cousins. The youngest is four and the oldest was thirteen. The other adults in my family also came with. We saw this movie thinking it would be at least somewhat funny. My four year old cousin and my six year old cousin, the audience the film was aimed at, FELL ASLEEP!!! The script was awful, the plot was pointless, and came from a definite tree- hugger. The only somewhat funny parts in the movie were Robbin williams’ character and his friends. Overall I thought this movie was terrible and a waste of five bucks!!!
M D gave it a2:
Well, I thought it was going to be a cute happy little kids’ flick, but little did I know that I was going to have preachy political messages crammed down my throat. It isn’t that I necessarily disagree with all of the messages that the movie is trying to preach to us, in fact, I agree with the majority of them. The problem is HOW they did it. How they did it was actually rather offensive and heavy-handed. I felt like they were forcing ideas on me and overtly trying to manipulate me into thinking a certain way. As well, they used strange stereotyping that seemed unnecessary and just wrong somehow. Like, why were some of the penguins Mexican? Weird. And how come the leader of the penguins had a strong Irish brogue and all of the rigid penguin leaders seemed kind of like they were penguin Catholic priests? What point were they trying to make by using stereotypes in this way? That religion is bad? That people who are accepting are latino? Strange. And did you need to use these specific stereotypes to make the point you were trying to make? I felt like I was watching one of the newer Star Wars movies, and expected Jar Jar Binks to show up in one of the scenes... And, frankly, all of these stereotypes and political messages changed the movie from being a movie into being a diatribe. The movie stopped being a cute kids movie about a penguin with special tap-dancing skills who wants to be accepted, and started being a vehicle for the movie-maker’s political propaganda. Tell a story OR share your opinion—when you try to pretend like you are telling a story when really you are shoving your views on others, it is dishonest and irritating. And, for a children’s movie, it was awfully sexual. Yes, I know, much of the movie revolves around mating, but really, some of this stuff was just too adult for children. And just for the record, I am politically pretty liberal, but when watching this movie, I felt like I was being bashed with a liberal propaganda stick so hard that it almost made me want to say, fish all you want, you eco-destroying trawlers! When you push your views so hard that people already on your side want to get away from you, I don’t think you have relayed your messages in the best way possible, eh?
“ethnic”
that last one seems pretty right on. fuck robin williams.
that movie sounds pretty awesome
this new generation of “relentlessly repeat the message from base camp with few or no variations” internet jockeys is one of the more bizarre phenomena of the age
works so well on tv, so why not do it online
C on
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[17:42] HELLA LIKE DYING: guh it makes me want to german suplex the world
[17:43] Harry Lime ARL: just look at this dog and u will be free of suplex-related urges http://www.puppyfind.com/breed/shiba_inu/m_659098.jpg
[17:43] HELLA LIKE DYING: omg i love those little chink dogs
Meanwhile, on the other side of the pond, here’s hhow the Ministry of Education is handling it
Actual conversation I had at work today:
ME: So, I was at this crazy website last night, this creationist guy who thinks humans existed at the same time as dinosaurs, and tries to prove it...it’s bizarre, you have to see it.
HER: ...Yeah, but what about Africa?
ME: ..What ABOUT Africa?
HER: Well, you know, what’s it called, pangaea? You know, so the dinosaurs were actually in Africa at the same time that humans were.
ME: Um, no, dinosaurs went extinct a really really long time before we evolved into humans.
HER: *rolls her eyes and gives coworkers the “Zach is dumb” look*
THE US PUBLIC EDUCATION SYSTEM HAS FAILED US ALL
pangaea? 300 million years ago? I thought the earth was only... oh, forget it.
HER: Well, you know, what’s it called, pangaea? You know, so the dinosaurs were actually in Africa at the same time that humans were.
wtf?
Either creationists are teaching people that the continents were once stuck together and drifted apart VERY quickly in the last 6000 years, or she’s misunderstanding what the word means, or both, or, or, or.
I think Curtis summed it up, actually. wtf.
I’m not sure if she’s a creationist or not. I think she watched too much TV when she was a kid and got the idea that dinosaurs and humans were both around at the same time.
I’m guessing her rationale is something like “well dinosaurs on every continent = proof that dinosaurs existed on Pangaea, so humans on every continent = proof that humans existed on Pangaea alongside dinosaurs.”
Or something. It’s obviously wrong, but that’s the only thing I can think of since she obviously has a fundamental misunderstanding of (a) dinosaurs, (b) humans, and (c) Pangaea.
It’s the part where she rolled her eyes at me that bugged the hell out of me. I was proud of myself for holding back, though. I feel like a few years ago, I would have spent too much time looking up proof on the internet to show her how wrong she was, making myself look pathetic to everyone I work with in the process.
These days, I just let people believe that humans had to watch out for dinosaurs when they left their caves during the day. Especially the fire-breathing Dragonasaur!
Maybe she watched Dinotopia and thought it was a documentary.
Africa? Pangea? WHAT?
People weren’t on Pangea, to my knowledge.
She’ seems to be having difficulty seperating physical space and time.
Pong came before the Genesis. Just because both were sold at Sears doesn’t mean they were there at the same time.
Preachin’ to the choir.
Happy Feet sucked though. The environmental message was that if penguins want us to save their ass they had better DANCE.
so, same moral as _Footloose_ then?
Everyone knows that dancing saves. Parliament always preached that you have to shoot endangered species with your bop gun.
Pong came before the Genesis.
Genesis was first dude, it’s right there in the Bible :-P
so, same moral as _Footloose_ then?
Same plot as Footloose definitely. It was probably in all seriousness pitched as Footloose meets March of the Penguins.
Everyone knows that dancing saves. Parliament always preached that you have to shoot endangered species with your bop gun.
Aquaboogie would have been the perfect soundtrack to the big underwater synchronized swimming scene. Although “Lets Do I Again” in that scene was one of the few good bits of music in the whole thing.
Uh, “Lets Do It Again” being a Beach Boys thing, not the theme song to the Cosby/Poitier movie which might have also been an improvement.
also, for more late friday lolz, check the imdb board for the movie.
ha, more like “Crappy Feet”
It was probably in all seriousness pitched as Footloose meets March of the Penguins.
So it’s essential U&K viewing, then?
March of the Penguins sucked though. I’m after more of a Microcosmos / Dirty Dancing fusion.
“I’ve Had The Time Of My Life” packs so much more punch when your lifespan is a week.
An AP history in Kearney, N.J. started the school year with this:
Shortly after school began in September, the teacher told his sixth-period students at Kearny High School that evolution and the Big Bang were not scientific, that dinosaurs were aboard Noah’s ark, and that only Christians had a place in heaven, according to audio recordings made by a student whose family is now considering a lawsuit claiming Mr. Paszkiewicz broke the church-state boundary.
“If you reject his gift of salvation, then you know where you belong,µ Mr. Paszkiewicz was recorded saying of Jesus. “He did everything in his power to make sure that you could go to heaven, so much so that he took your sins on his own body, suffered your pains for you, and he’s saying, ‘Please, accept me, believe.’ If you reject that, you belong in hell.µ
Of course, the kid who recorded him is now being attacked, even receiving a death threat.
The article touches on something else:
Greice Coelho, who took Mr. Paszkiewicz’s class and is a member of his youth group, said in a letter to The Observer, the local weekly newspaper, that Matthew was “ignoring the First Amendment to the United States Constitution, which gives every citizen the freedom of religion.µ Some anonymous posters on the town’s electronic bulletin board, Kearnyontheweb.com, called for Matthew’s suspension.
which is something that’s been popping up more & more in fundie political circles, that “freedom of religion” translates to “freedom to annoy your class/office-mates with tone-deaf evangelizing.”
So it adds another bit to the rightwinger perception of persecution( and resulting self-righteousness), ‘coz the evil secular libruls are taking away their freedoms, etc.
Shortly after school began in September, the teacher told his sixth-period students at Kearny High School that evolution and the Big Bang were not scientific, that dinosaurs were aboard Noah’s ark, and that only Christians had a place in heaven
this was par for the course at my high school...my biology teacher flat-out said he didn’t believe in evolution and wasn’t going to teach it.
nobody gave a shit
Did the Dinosaurs show get picketed, or has it happened yet?
Also, what better way to settle the debate than with a friendly board game?
Evangelistic, educational, entertaining.
At last, a board game that reveals the insanity of perhaps the greatest hoax of our times — the unscientific “theory of evolution.”
“Intelligent Design vs Evolution” is unique in that the playing pieces are small rubber brains and each team plays for “brain” cards. Each player uses his or her brains to get more brains, and the team with the most brains wins. It has been designed to make people think . . . and that’s exactly what it does.
“Ray Comfort and Kirk Cameron are doing much more than revealing the bankruptcy of molecules-to-man evolution. They have a greater purpose: proclaiming biblical authority and reaching the lost with the precious gospel message. Enjoy this wonderful family game as you also become better equipped to defend our precious Christian faith.” — Ken Ham, President, Answers in Genesis.
“unscientific”?
and for only $30!
Should compete for hearts instead of brains, obv.
dawkins board game plz
checking here, http://www.educationallearninggames.com/
we get plenty of candidates. I’m wondering how well this one would go over with the same crowd:
This new game is sure to become a family favorite! Learn about your body and have fun at the same time! Get ready, flick the spinner, and grab your piece! The first player to build their body wins. You can choose between nerves, skeleton, organs, and muscles. Some of the body pieces may even have to be swapped or donated to the body bank-just like in real life!
Get ready, flick the spinner, and grab your piece!
ROFFLE!
http://www.peer.org/news/news_id.php?row_id=801
Grand Canyon guides aren’t allowed to say how old the monument is, because that would upset creationist retards.
I really do have healthy distaste foe christianz
“fuck a creationist”
taken as a recommendation, it does narrow one’s options of fuckatableness rather drastically :(
You clearly haven’t read upthread.
hahaha
the playing pieces are small rubber brains and each team plays for “brain” cards. Each player uses his or her brains to get more brains, and the team with the most brains wins.
So the player uses their brain to respond to environmental stimuli in the form of questions and develops a bigger and better brain as a result? Sounds a bit like that scientific theory I can’t quite recall right now.
personally i think this literalist creationism is more of a danger to christianity than straight up atheist evolution.
how many kids raised in a strict literalist tradition with little coverage in high school of the factual, experimentally-proven aspects of evolution go to college and have their minds blown?
i knew several. once you have the educational background to read about or even reproduce some of the science proving selection and mutation and so on, it’s a little impossible to argue against. throw in some bad life experiences (“why would a love God do this to me?”), some hypocrisy (“but that guy told me hot man sex was evil!”), etc etc and whallah, it’s really easy to lose faith. it happened to several christian friends i had as a kid.
dawkins’s brood and the literalist christians pit creation as the full on opposite of evolution. accept one or the other.
in that game, dawkins wins.
unfortunately for his religious movement, literalist creationism will probably go away except for fringe groups. more and more future christians will get the mutation.
to quote one of our 4th century church fathers, St. Augustine:
Usually, even a non-Christian knows something about the earth, the heavens, and the other elements of this world, about the motion and orbit of the stars and even their size and relative positions, about the predictable eclipses of the sun and moon, the cycles of the years and the seasons, about the kinds of animals, shrubs, stones, and so forth, and this knowledge he hold to as being certain from reason and experience. Now, it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for an infidel to hear a Christian, presumably giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking nonsense on these topics; and we should take all means to prevent such an embarrassing situation, in which people show up vast ignorance in a Christian and laugh it to scorn. The shame is not so much that an ignorant individual is derided, but that people outside the household of faith think our sacred writers held such opinions, and, to the great loss of those for whose salvation we toil, the writers of our Scripture are criticized and rejected as unlearned men. If they find a Christian mistaken in a field which they themselves know well and hear him maintaining his foolish opinions about our books, how are they going to believe those books in matters concerning the resurrection of the dead, the hope of eternal life, and the kingdom of heaven, when they think their pages are full of falsehoods and on facts which they themselves have learnt from experience and the light of reason? Reckless and incompetent expounders of Holy Scripture bring untold trouble and sorrow on their wiser brethren when they are caught in one of their mischievous false opinions and are taken to task by those who are not bound by the authority of our sacred books. For then, to defend their utterly foolish and obviously untrue statements, they will try to call upon Holy Scripture for proof and even recite from memory many passages which they think support their position, although they understand neither what they say nor the things about which they make assertion.
i know it’s infuriating that our own president could legislate his religious beliefs, but given who we’re talking about, is it shocking?
m.
Personally, I at first found organised christianity to be....stupid for many reasons, but these are the main ones:
There are like 24 commandments, but the first ten are OBVIOUSLY more important, because...BECAUSE!!!
There’s no devli in the bible, no ‘fall,’ barely anything similar to hell.
The 4 gospels are vastly different in parts, but they’re all true and all the word of god, just like all kinds of letters Jesus’ friends wrote each other.
There’s nothing in the book that says there are no other Gods, just that the Jews weren’t allowed to worship them.
The book of revelations was written by a man whom, as I recall, was exiled to an island alone for 20 years. If you DON’T see flying scorpions with lions teeth and human faces after 20 years alone you’re fucked up.
After the new covenant those ‘ten’ commandments are irrelevant. There are 2. But you should follow those other ‘ten’ anyway.....BECAUSE!
So for years I was a kind of outside-the-box- christian.
Then I realised many fundamental beleifs of xhristianity that AREN’T contradicted in other parts of the book(why is Song of Solomon in there? it’s a porno!) contradicted mine to a great deal.
So I quit it.
For the longest time I was pro christianity, but not for me.
Then I figured out that the majority of the book doesn’t sit well with me as a basis of one’s life. On top of that, it’s hard for me to meet a christian without their beliefs interfering with me conversing comfortably(alot of my friends are athiests, gay, Japanese and so religious but not christian). Well, one of us ends up uncomfortable.
There are exceptions to that last bit.
A Republican member of the Texas House wants to ban the teaching of evolution, claiming that the Big Bang Theory is actually from the Pharisee Religion, and they really shouldn’t be teaching religion in school.
Oh yeah, and Einstein and Carl Sagan were Kabbalists. Really.
“You ought to teach creation as well as the fact of evolution,” Mr. Chisum said, though he said “all of those kinds of sciences have holes in them. ... But I’m not about teaching religion in schools.”
oh yeah, and the webite they cite:
The non-moving Earth
& anti-evolution web page of
The Fair Education Foundation, Inc.
Exposing the False Science Idol of Evolutionism,
and Proving the Truthfulness of the Bible from Creation to Heaven...
- since 1973 -
Marshall Hall, Pres.
***
EXTRA! EXTRA!
Read all about the Copernican and Darwinian Myths
(and their many ramifications going all the way to Kabbala-based Big Bangism!)
IN OVER NINETY LINKS BELOW....
Attacking Darwin is pretty standard for these people, but going after Copernicus is a new one. I do hope they target the 2nd law of thermodynamics next.
The layout and writing style of that page reminds me of a Victorian music hall poster.
You’d think that’d make it cooler, though....
When I am a member of the Texas House I am going to propose that we only teach Time Cube.
(Marshall Hall, BS. MA + 2 years:...Advanced International Studies Ph.D. Program)