i think you can blame hitler on martin luther because the germans saw martin luther in him, not because hitler was directly following martin luther’s teachings
for real tracer, saying fundies ‘have a point’ about evolution & hitler is right up there with ‘hiphop is dead cuz williamsburg only jams biggie nowadays’
is jack chick for real, btw?
(to be fair, #1 and #2 were from separate people’s arguments, but I figured they worked well together)
xpost yeah, unfortunately. My uberevangelical R.A. left “This Was Your Life!” in the bathroom stall because apparently he reads him while he takes dumps.
I’ve read all that Erich Fromm stuff about luther and authoritiarianism and i don’t buy it (though it is funny reading, “luther was one of the most profoundly hateful men ever” etc etc). europe had plenty antisemitism and self-negating hate ideology before during and after
xpost germans saw martin luther in him. really? never heard this. even so, you may as well blame il duce on dante
Calvin, on the other hand, was a right bastard.
i don’t know what williamsburg jams on, i’ve been there like five times in the last five years (i was wrong about the biggie thing, by the way—hip hop is dead because ft. greene jams on young jeezy!)
Y’know, this thread has everything: Nazis, dinosaurs, Jack Chick, nubile t-shirt models, puppets, evolutionary theory, customer service, you name it!
(hahahaha I love how this thread derailed yet still somehow stayed on topic with the “PHWOAR HOT MODELS” section)
Calvin was a right bastard.
Tell me about it.
dude have you read that luther book about the jews?? it sounds like somebodys steampunk hoax of a hypothetical medieval nazism, way beyond most hokey & unorganized anti-semitism from the time
is blaming dante for mussolini supposed to sound entirely ridiculous? plz remember the initial frame of reference here is tracer saying its a good idea to blame darwin for hitler
I remember reading a while back about Xian erotic fiction, which was fairly explicit but also only involved married couples.
I don’t know if anyone above already pointed this out, but if you actually bother to read Darwin you realize very quickly that “Social Darwinism” is not Darwinism at all.
Martin Luther OTOH is totally overrated by our received Protestant-slanted history. It’s been ingrained in the way we’re taught that he was some kind of hero “reformer” that we rarely look at his terrible bastard side.
dude, ethan, seriously, I know this is your “thing” but get one (1) sarcasm, and/or play the game with someone who HASN’T been on ILX for 17 years, none of us actually buy that statement as anything but him kidding around.
nazis & eugenicists supposed darwinist inspiration for genocide is more like mel gibson blaming his kike-hating on jack daniels—99.99999% of in the world has no problem living with evolutionary science while not setting up extermination camps
(xpost to myself: Oh, I see Kingfish already mentioned that.)
There was a big hilarious thread on real ILX about that website promoting Christian married sex with some erotic err sound files? Things to read aloud to each other? Totally unsurprisingly, I posted on it somewhere.
Shocking that Kingfish flashed his deep porn knowledge before Kenan!
I contain multitudes.
what, like dp?
this site?
Not on a monday.
xp
par robertson wouldn’t exist without jesus—that doesn’t mean i blame the former for the latter!
Actually all empirical evidence shows that Pat Robertson is exixting quite nicely without Jesus.
The Galtons were famous and highly successful Quaker gun-manufacturers and bankers
haha i love the west sometimes
“I don’t know about this doctrine of crucifixion, but if he thinks we’re trying to crucify him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it. It’s a whole lot cheaper than starting a war, and I don’t think any frankincense shipments will stop.”
Incidentally, re: Christian porn and the cute freckly t-shirt girl, I originally read this thread title as a kind of porn-spam offer, like the evangelical version of “Meet hot local women TONIGHT.”
no i have not read the luther book about the jews, but i knew there was something like it, and that he was a rabid jew hater
agreed that the fundies (and tracer) are wrong about darwin leading to hitler, my point was that i didn’t think/didn’t know nazism was that closely linked, either by design or implication, with early protestantism/luther in specific, rather just euro anti-semitism in general
...contrasted with mussolini, who DID say he was the unnamed and as yet-unseen worldly savior of italy called for in the comedy (not dante’s fault)
Rabid jew hating was not unusual in 16th Century western europe.
“Meet hot local women TONIGHT.”
AT BIBLE STUDY.
guys i am not saying darwinism leads to hitler! sheesh!!
can’t we all just love one another?
Lamentations 2:10 describes how “The virgins of Jerusalem have bowed their heads to the ground,” indicating how a virginal maidens should position themselves to receive anal sex.
I swear that says Can’t We All Just Have One Another? xxpost
the “point” that the fundies have, or could have, if they could stop just casually free-associating ideas together in the hopes that we will make a causal connection between them, is that evolutionary theory and “eugenics” gave fascists a whole new vocabulary and a whole new (seemingly) scientifically-approved toolbox to think things through with. that is all!
“Cunt Me Joust Have One Another?”
http://rhosgobel.blogspot.com/2006/12/dead-sea-scrolls.html
While flipping around the TV channels today I stopped briefly on one of our local religious stations. The person preaching was rambling on about the glory of god and how the bible was the word of god (or something like that); to help make his point that the bible was the word of god, he introduced the Dead Sea scrolls. He said that they were 3,000 years old and that scholars had found that they were identical to the modern day bible. In fact, he said, “Every dot over every ‘i’, every cross of the ‘t’, every comma, and every period is in the exact same place as in the bible in your hand”
btw, germany was far from alone with its eugenic-led social engineering—western europe was awash in these theories as well as the US; there’s a guy from virginia (can’t remember his name right now) who testified that germany was “beating us at our own game” with their forced sterilization program, and compared the number of people germnay had sterilized with how many the US had done, complaining bitterly about how much more fit their population would be. (the germans on trial at nuremburg later quoted him in their own defense!)
there’s a guy from virginia
that wasn’t Howard W. Campbell, was it?
xp guess not
Umm, that Dead Sea Scrolls blogger seems to be missing the biggest point of hilarity in the whole thing.
I keep having to remind myself that all this massive face-on-Mars style self-delusion isn’t just a random batshit conspiracy theory but is focused on preserving the specific belief that the events described in every book of the Bible are physical, material truth. I wonder if other cultures have as much trouble with the concepts of mythology and allegory as fundamentalist Christians do.
— Euai Kapaui (tracerhan...), Today. (tracerhand)
blame the enlightenment
No, I think the fact that they were written in several dead languages IS the funniest thing! (XP)
Friday, we already went there.
Wait, am I misunderstanding what the guy was claiming about the scrolls? To me, it reads about like he’s saying “clearly, Baz Luhrman’s Romeo & Juliet is the word of God — archeologists have found books centuries old containing the exact same dialogue.”
The fundy speaker is in error in several ways: which one you think is “primary” depends on what aspect you find funniest, I guess. I like the fact that he’s claiming every jot and tittle (literally!!) are the same, when the originals were written in at least one dead language and it is mostly certainly not Old English.
dude, ethan, seriously, I know this is your “thing” but get one (1) sarcasm
Who is Ethan?
*most certainly
seeing this thread right above the greek gods one made me wonder—how would fundamentalists excuse/explain/interpret them if worship of them was still practiced today? would zeus & hera arguing about the strength of their orgasms take on some song-of-solomon type metaphorical significance or taken literally??
x-x-post
I don’t think you can compare and contrast the worship of ancient Greek/Roman pantheon, it’s just not the same kind of religion. All evidence points to the ancients taking a very distanced view of their gods, in fact, as mere super-humans who couldn’t know or see or do all, and who were certainly not interested in the everyday lives of hunmans. Which is actually why the mystery cults sprang up worshipping minor or imported deities like Mithras and Demeter and etc — because the cults promised a more personal relationship with the deity that could be earned by increasing levels of initiation.
hip hop is dead because ft. greene jams on young jeezy!
just now while going to get some pizza i witnessed a guy in ft greene jamming on jeezy. see, god has a plan.
Which reminds me: it’s likely that early Christianity borrowed more than a little bit from the mystery religions, itself!
zoroastrianism!!!!!
freddy mercury!
Nah, Freddie’s beard was shorter than that.
Yeah, Ethan, pretty much! IIRC Mithras was err a Persian god, originally, associated with the sun? Or a powerful figure elevated to near-god status in the mythology? Anyway, somehow he got worshipped in the ancient Mediterranean and Roman soldiers carried him to Britain too.
“IN the exercise of his high calling, the faithful ambassador of Christ must not waiver to declare the whole counsel of God rightly dividing the word of truth, to all classes of hearers.
He must warn the openly wicked man that if he persists in his evil courses, the just judgments of God will inevitably overtake him; He must unmask the hypocrite;
He must utter no uncertain protest against the crooked and devious ways of the self-seeker and the time-server.”
here we are, the Guardian goes on a field trip to the Creation Museum located somewhere in Kentucky.
So so SO MANY choice quotes in this one, from the guy who used to work at Universal Studios who built animatronic dinosaurs but says that fossil records of earlier hominids are “deformed, diseased or something,” just like some of the people he saw in New York, to the Aussie w/ cricketeer photos in his office and who talks about how they couldn’t get away with such a thing Down Under, so he came up here, to the bit of software that figured out where Noah stuck all them animals on the Ark.
They also have to be careful about the animatronic Adam & Eve scene, “...since some of our donors are scared to death about nudity.”
also, care for a walkthrough of the proposed museum?
Watch out! Dinosaurs keep watch over the entryway. Are they alive?
“The museum’s planetarium is his pride and joy. Lisle writes the commentary. ”Amazing! God has a name for each star,“
None of which are designated in the Bible.
Best sandbox thread ever.
The Bible is true. No doubt about it!
oh, right! i’d been wondering, but thanks for clearing that up so succinctly.
sorry, god.
Uncover the solution to one of life’s most vexing questions—why is there death and suffering? The answer’s in Genesis!
OH MY GOD, IT’S ALL PHIL COLLINS’S FAULT!
THERE IS SOMETHING IN THE AIR 2NITE OH LORD
^^ she’s totally going to have that tattooed on her lower back after she transfers out of bible college
That Guardian article is mental.
The museum’s research scientist, Dr Jason Lisle, has a PhD in astrophysics from the University of Colorado at Boulder. He realised he was a Christian while he was an undergraduate
He “realised”? Like “OH SHIT! I’m a CHRISTIAN OH NOES NOW WHAT:.
And this is even better:
On top of the shelves is an array of fluffy poodle toys, as well as cuddly dinosaurs. ”Poodles are degenerate mutants of dogs. I say that in my lectures and people present them to me as gifts.“
Pls to explain why poodles are ”degenerate mutants of dogs“ k thx.
i dunno, have you ever seen a poodle? yikes!
Like “OH SHIT! I’m a CHRISTIAN OH NOES NOW WHAT:.
HOW DO I TELL MY PARENTS?
I hate it when they finally come out and then go around nailing everything that moves for a few months.
Pls to explain why poodles are “degenerate mutants of dogs” k thx.
Have you ever seen a picture of one?
“I wonder if other dogs think poodles are members of a weird religious cult.” — Rite Rudner
Rita, even
Poodle weirdness aside:
Poodles are degenerate mutants of dogs.
His not understanding that dogs are specifically selected and bred by humans is.. well, telling or something.
mutant humans—have you ever seen a dog breeder? yikes!
I thought it was some kind of messy combover at first, but it appears that guy has a heart-shaped bruise on his forehead.
that pic is like sally jesse raphael split into male and female halves
I’ll give you $20 if you can remember that guy’s name.
— nabisco (san...), Today 6:54 PM. (nabisco) (later) (link)
JEFF DUNHAM and it’s so sad of me to not even have to Google that.
i’m still stuck on the idea of creationists believing that there are still some dinosaurs somewhere. have any of them considered trying to track one down?
this guy was unavailable for comment
i’m still stuck on the idea of creationists believing that there are still some dinosaurs somewhere.
Well, we do have crocodiles and tortoises, which haven’t evolved for many millions of years. Reptiles that weren’t excessively giant did fairly well through whatever killed the dinosaurs (probably cold). But I’m sure they mean something very different when they say that, and yeah, I’m with you, I have no idea what they mean.
as awful as that mario movie was, it was still a pretty novel interpretation of the game!
best part of that pic is that hopper’s wielding a Super Scope!
from a site linked to above—“fisting and god’s will”, omg:
what happens when a fundie goes on the hunt for “Darwinism” in a 13 year old molecular biology textbook, surprisingly comes up empty and holds that up as proof
like that? have some more.
fuck ’em all
“My hypothesis is that the field of molecular biology is simply not understood by the majority of biologists and thus pretty secure from rational debate by laymen.”
“Only born again believers who have accepted Jesus Christ as Lord can have a relationship with the Father...”
CHARMED, I’M SURE.
Smokey, I can only tell you what I have seen: Groups of smart people routinely make incredibly dumb decisions. If you wander the Dilbert cubicle land of Silicon Valley or Detroit or and to a lesser extent Japan (all of which I have done), you will see this. It is time to leave the fairy tale science we learn when we are young behind.
# posted by Looney : 1:18 PM
whywontgodhealamputees is awesome.
finally someone saying what i’ve been saying all along:
(seriously though, that sight’s almost as bad as the creationist ones if taken literally)
I don’t abide christians for long.
have the calls let up yet?
covenant spice?
guess posh, sporty, ginger, baby, and scary werren’t enough...
(joke brought to you courtesy of 9 YEARS TOO LATE)
the whywontgodhealamputees guy (for some reason i’m positive it’s a guy) is trying to beat the literal-minded xtians at their own game by being even more brain-dead literal than they are which is pretty hilarious in spots but i don’t think he realizes that’s what he’s doing; he seems equally as clueless and fundies that the distinction “is real”/“is not real” is just irrelevant when it comes to god, as irrelevant as it is to, say, professional wrestling, which by this guy’s logic he should eliminate from the planet
the idea that every dog breed came from two mutts who fucked 3000 years ago is medication-level crazy
And yet it’s still the most accurate thing they’ve said! Every modern dog breed is descended from the wolf, most of them have only come into existence very recently—on a visual level it’s about the only possible example of ultra-fast “evolution” the Christians can use/abuse as they choose.
(Not just wolves, I don’t think — there are other sources going on some places, like African Wild Dogs and stuff.)
obviously:
would stalk the Forests of the North for prey, or the Wild Serengeti, or the colonized parts of the Outback for babies to steal.
Roving packs would terrorize the countryside.
Chief among the list of things dog breeders should be doing if they weren’t being total superficial dog-Nazis and preserving weird stupid structural things like ear angles: adorable hounds like those who aren’t genetically inclined to bay/bark all the time!
That sexinchrist.com shit is fuckin bonkers.
...adorable hounds like those who aren’t genetically inclined to bay/bark all the time!
Not hounds, but...HUSKIES AND MALAMUTES!
itsa dug first, den breed, den jimy—geet it?