“We saw Hamlet. It was very funny, especially the end. But it’s strange that there was no point to the story. You don’t learn anything, like how the raccoon got his tail, or why smoke fills the mountains.”
there’s this gigantic, crucial element of Christianity, which is to say, God’s perfect or perfected love that sees and encompasses everyone, no matter how undeserving. Are there other religions that are so profoundly dependent on the same idea?
that’s a good question. Islam strikes me as less interested in love than Christianity is, but God’s omnipotence and direct involvement in the world is certainly central.
God’s perfect or perfected love that sees and encompasses everyone
Another question: how can people who have no problem with such a massive, weird abstraction have so much trouble with the idea of geological time?
Because it’s more important to be worthy of living in the first place, and your second point threatens the first?
Just a guess.
Also, this could be another trite point, but it deserves to be pointed out that even those ascribing to “literalist” readings only actually cite or focus on the bits that support whatever their ideology is for that day.
I.e. most of these folks don’t talk too much about usury, or the forgiving of debts every so many years, or ignoring most of that whole “Sermon on the Mount” thing.
I think puppets are evidence for intelligent design.
except for jalapenos on a steeek.
except for jalapenos on a steeek
I’ll give you $20 if you can remember that guy’s name.
Kingfish, I am already there, dude, like, 15 years ago. FOR INSTANCE: They’re happy to talk about women’s second-place finish in God’s plan for the family, but not so much about everyone covering their head in humility before bending it in prayer, just to pick one New Testament example.
I’ll give you $20 if you can remember that guy’s name.
His name is That Douchebag. Pay up.
yeah that’s, like, how fundamentalisms run. I’ve actually been thinking how it’s interesting that, though I’d imagine Muslims I know that I’d class as fundo would hem and haw about evolution when pressed, they kind of ignore the contradictions between Darwin’s account and the Qur’ans basically because their parents and they themselves often have science backgrounds. and what’s really important to them is what women are up to, like, every second of the day, anyway.
xpost to Laurel.
Hey, waitamin, isn’t some of this I.D. stuff starting to show up in the U.K., too?
ALTHO I did go to church at someplace so crazy that the idea of life insurance was painted as LACKING FAITH IN GOD’S PLAN FOR YOUR LIFE, ie that you and your loved ones would be provided for in God’s good time. You kind of have to keep the level of “crazy” in mind.
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I believe our beloved Prime Minister is down with it being taught in schools, if the price is right.
Kingfish, I am already there, dude, like, 15 years ago.
Oh i figured, thus my disclaimer.
But something does need to be said that purported literalist readings usually have v.little to do w/ literally reading the other 90% of the book(s).
I’ll give you $20 if you can remember that guy’s name.
Dude’s still on Comedy Central. Had a 1/2 hour thing after the Amazing Jonathan a few saturdays ago.
someplace so crazy that the idea of life insurance was painted as LACKING FAITH
Wow. I didn’t know anyone did that song and dance anymore. I thought the “pray and row for shore” model had taken over.
I saw some hip, advertising-campaign style posters on the side of a church the other day, and one of them showed a hand holding a can, and the can read “Jesus Gives Eternal Life.” At the bottom of the poster were superimposed the words “Does what it says on the tin.” Except uh it doesn’t.
Marge: I’m sure your insurance will cover the house...
Maude: Uh, well, no, Neddy doesn’t believe in insurance, he considers it a form of gambling.
Duh, Tracer, Jesus was IN THE CAN. (Was it a grape soda?)
The “hell sucks” shirt confounds me, not least of all because they spell it as one word. Hellsucks.
Dammit, GIS let me down for “Jesus on the can”.
And is it really xtian to go around saying things suck? Shirt idea: “The devil can blow me.”
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all this white girls are gunna show up on Burning Angel w/in 3 years, place yer bets
haha i know, my first non-boner thought on seeing that was i cant believe they asterisked out ‘h***’ but not ‘sucks’
2 healthy young mutts could preserve the genome of the entire “dog kind” of animals.
This is pretty funny. I thought even fundies knew about inbreeding (they hate mormons right?).... but I thought most agreed with scientists about genetics.....
the idea that every dog breed came from two mutts who fucked 3000 years ago is medication-level crazy
Maybe they think Mendel was some sorta subversive Papist in disguise sent to corrupt all right-thinking peoples
I wonder if she sucks.
The thread title is taking on a new meaning.
uh do non-christian sites selling tshirts have photography where the frame is 25% shirt, 75% hott chick?? even american apparel shows you the whole fucking garment!
xpost holy crap dude
welcome me into your loving bosom o lord
that site is a dsl fiesta
but my connection is only a- ohhhhh right
How could Noah’s Ark have possibly held all of the species of big animals in the world!
The largest dragon (i.e. dinosaur) eggs that we’ve found to date are about the size of a football. One could fit, for example, a dozen brachiosaurus eggs in the trunk of a car, with room to spare! This also means that recently hatched dragons were not very large. Noah’s mission was to preserve each kind of animal. You don’t need to find the biggest of each kind. And you don’t need each sub-divided species either. Did you know that most modern dog breeds are less than 100 years old? 2 healthy young mutts could preserve the genome of the entire “dog kind” of animals. The Bible uses the word “kind” for the different types of life forms. Horses and zebras can (and have) physically mated producing viable offspring; so have tigers and lions, indicating that they (according to creation theory) probably respectively diverged from the same original stock. Dogs and wolves (though considered quite different by humans today) probably originated from their same “kind” too. There are a few large animals (when fully grown) of course: giraffes, elephants, and T-rexes among them. But the average animal size is about sheep size, i.e. the 3-story Ark was plenty large enough to handle the variety of animal kinds plus lots of food for them. Speciation could descend again from original healthy “mutt” stock to start with. Thinking scientifically about this, it shows incredible variable design, huh?
jesus, how did i miss this thread?
apologies for taking the lord’s name in vain
Son, you are OUT OF THE CLUB.
here, girlie, try this one on, it says the same thing
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Speciation could descend again from original healthy “mutt” stock to start with.
The use of the word “speciation” there is incredible: this sentence practically is the whole theory of natural selection and evolution!
dammit, that was supposed to link to the shirt
oh wait it did
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i see it on my browser!
http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v19/i2/animals.asp
What is a ‘kind’? God created a number of different types of animals with much capacity for variation within limits.4 The descendants of each of these different kinds, apart from humans, would today mostly be represented by a larger grouping than what is called a species. In most cases, those species descended from a particular original kind would be grouped today within what modern taxonomists (biologists who classify living things) call a genus (plural genera).
One common definition of a species is a group of organisms which can interbreed and produce fertile offspring, and cannot mate with other species. However, most of the so-called species (obviously all the extinct ones) have not been tested to see what they can or cannot mate with. In fact, not only are there known crosses between so-called species, but there are many instances of trans-generic mating, so the ‘kind’ may in some cases be as high as the family. Identifying the ‘kind’ with the genus is also consistent with Scripture, which spoke of kinds in a way that the Israelites could easily recognize without the need for tests of reproductive isolation.
For example, horses, zebras and donkeys are probably descended from an equine (horse-like) kind, since they can interbreed, although the offspring are sterile. Dogs, wolves, coyotes and jackals are probably from a canine (dog-like) kind. All different types of domestic cattle (which are clean animals) are descended from the Aurochs, so there were probably at most seven (or fourteen) domestic cattle aboard. The Aurochs itself may have been descended from a cattle kind including bisons and water buffaloes. We know that tigers and lions can produce hybrids called tigons and ligers, so it is likely that they are descended from the same original kind.
Woodmorappe totals about 8000 genera, including extinct genera, thus about 16,000 individual animals which had to be aboard. With extinct genera, there is a tendency among some paleontologists to give each of their new finds a new genus name. But this is arbitrary, so the number of extinct genera is probably highly overstated. Consider the sauropods, which were the largest dinosaurs—the group of huge plant-eaters like Brachiosaurus, Diplodocus, Apatosaurus, etc. There are 87 sauropod genera commonly cited, but only 12 are ‘firmly established’ and another 12 are considered ‘fairly well established’.5
One commonly raised problem is ‘How could you fit all those huge dinosaurs on the Ark?’ First, of the 668 supposed dinosaur genera, only 106 weighed more than ten tons when fully grown. Second, as said above, the number of dinosaur genera is probably greatly exaggerated. But these numbers are granted by Woodmorappe to be generous to skeptics. Third, the Bible does not say that the animals had to be fully grown. The largest animals were probably represented by ‘teenage’ or even younger specimens. The median size of all animals on the ark would actually have been that of a small rat, according to Woodmorappe‘s up-to-date tabulations, while only about 11 % would have been much larger than a sheep.
XTREEM WISEMEN
The use of the word “speciation” there is incredible: this sentence practically is the whole theory of natural selection and evolution!
Yeah, that’s another fun bit; the deliberate misrepresenting of what folks actually mean when they say “evolution,” much like the deliberate misuse of the word “theory” (i.e. instead of “hypothesis”). A lot of it seems like both projection and a cluelessness about how science changes and can disprove itself over time, like all we in the secular world worship upon the altar of Darwin, and we do it in the exact same unquestioning, blindly following way they follow their own leaders.
I think that’s why they always call it “Darwinism,”(we only follow the man, who ain’t Jesus) and hold up the fact that we’ve evolved theories that go beyond his as some sorta prove that we’re wishy-washy nihilists who don’t believe anything strongly(even to refute it).
One commonly raised problem is ‘How could you fit all those huge dinosaurs on the Ark?’ First, of the 668 supposed dinosaur genera, only 106 weighed more than ten tons when fully grown. Second, as said above, the number of dinosaur genera is probably greatly exaggerated. But these numbers are granted by Woodmorappe to be generous to skeptics. Third, the Bible does not say that the animals had to be fully grown. The largest animals were probably represented by ‘teenage’ or even younger specimens. The median size of all animals on the ark would actually have been that of a small rat, according to Woodmorappe‘s up-to-date tabulations, while only about 11 % would have been much larger than a sheep.
lol, this is some seriously Star Trek-level biblical retcon!
has this story, about creationists trying to force a kenyan museum to tuck away pre-human fossils, been mentioned yet in this thread?
yup, i linked to it upthread. One gets the image of club-/axe-handle-wielding crazies breaking thru the glass doors of the museum and start a-smashing all the Natural History exhibits.
Where are all of these quotes coming from again? It actually looks to me like there’s a big shift in thinking going on with them — like the authors have chosen to sign on with evolution on the small scale, insofar as it helps them make a plausible case for literal interpretation of the Bible. (Which is obviously the bigger point; evolution’s more or less moot so far as everything fits with the text.) That word “speciation” is ridiculously important, in terms of acknowledging that a common ancestor could diverge and modify into different, incompatible species. (Which is really as far as Darwin personally got with things, with the grander rise-of-man stuff coming well after.)
OK I can’t be the only person getting “Jesus Loves Pink Pussy” out of one of those shirts.
xpost im getting quotes from answersingenesis.com & a couple other linked or googled creationist faqs—theres nothing even close to consensus on any of this stuff, it basically amounts to biblical fan fiction
Yeah, but Darwin-on-Genesis slash is something I’ve never seen before, like on a “Sonic the Hedgehog’s Erotic Borg Adventure” level.
“...but i’m better” on the matching underwear
OK now i’m really grossing myself out
It actually looks to me like there’s a big shift in thinking going on with them — like the authors have chosen to sign on with evolution on the small scale, insofar as it helps them make a plausible case for literal interpretation of the Bible
this has pretty much always been the strategy of creationists though!
ha! you made that one up!
OKAY HAWT. Except it’s “forgive US our trespasses.” I dig my Lord’s Prayer OLD STYLEZZ.
Jesus can get in line, baby.
(sorry for being so frat boy, I’ve always had the hots for xtian girls. Feeds from my self-defeating nature, I guess.)
(and that red-head is OOTW)
is there such a genre as actual christian porn?
xpost never mind the bullocks, here’s the christians
didn’t larry flynt try out christian porn at one point?
Wait, is that guy asking to be forgiven for his sniper assassinations, kidnappings, ill-gotten ransom money, and sowing of anarchy?
(The freckly god-is-good girl is cute.)
i don’t mean people in nun outfits; i mean the “for christians, by christians” type of thing
xpost i think he’s asking to be forgiven for spreading his oral herpes
http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2/4347news7-21-2000.asp
X-amining X-Men
It is ironic that the film on one hand depicts the horrors of the Holocaust but on the other embraces evolutionary premises. We must point out that it was evolutionary ideas that actually fueled Hitler’s genocide of ‘less-evolved’ peoples like Jews, Gypsies, Slavic peoples, etc. Evolutionary ideas have never advanced humankind either biologically or socially. On the contrary, they lead to the decay of societies—for example, today’s increase in abortion has been greatly influenced by evolutionary thinking (see Ken Ham’s book Genesis and the Decay of the Nations).
they’re all preternaturally beautiful. clean living, I guess.
i think he’s asking to be forgiven for spreading his oral herpes
otm!
the fundies have a point about Hitler, and other eugenicists
JB, likes ’em clean. They unnerve me with their shining eyes and glossy coats.
no, they do not
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unless youre cool with blaming jesus christ for george bush
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Blaming Darwin for Hitler is like blaming Jebus for Vlad the Impaler.
oops
though you can pretty much blame hitler on martin luther
But his family were Catholic?
hitler, eh? Tell me more. He is not discussed enough.
is there such a genre as actual christian porn?
actually, they do! there’s some site out there for “christian erotica” or some such. it’s some really circumscribed erotic stories, but hey, if it gets some of these folks to finally accept intimacy, go for it.
“It is difficult to understand the behavior of most German Protestants in the first Nazi years unless one is aware of two things: their history and the influence of Martin Luther. The great founder of Protestantism was both a passionate anti-Semite and a ferocious believer in absolute obedience to political authority. He wanted Germany rid of the Jews. Luther’s advice was literally followed four centuries later by Hitler, Goering and Himmler.”
-William L. Shirer, The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, (New York: Simon & Schuster, 1990), p.236.
today’s increase in abortion has been greatly influenced by evolutionary thinking
“Aww, man, I would totally have this baby, but my genes aren’t very good, so ...”
(That’s a missed opportunity, really: much more traction in the argument that we’re selfish consumption-obsessed children who seek out frivolous self-gratification over the greater fulfillment of family and child-rearing.)
yes lets go out of our way to say one more time that social darwnism and eugenics are bad
The use of the word “speciation” there is incredible: this sentence practically is the whole theory of natural selection and evolution!
The argument I’ve heard proposed by certain creationists I know:
1) Even if genetic mutation/“microevolution” (ugh) does occur, evolutionary theory still is not plausible because “most mutations are harmful.”
2) When God created living things back in Eden, the gene pool was so pure that even harmful mutations would do minimal damage.
Evolutionary ideas have never advanced humankind either biologically or socially.
they have, and have.
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I’ve read the Shirer. I think he’s only partly right: Luther is certainly a crucial influence on ideas of German-ness, but I don’t think the Nazis were explicitly “following his advice”.
#2 is one I’ve heard, along with the fact that there was no environmental/artificial mutagenic pollution, or that the world was “young” (wtf does that even mean??), and so on.
Even if genetic mutation/“microevolution” (ugh) does occur, evolutionary theory still is not plausible because “most mutations are harmful.”
That one makes little to no sense (and yeah, I know it’s not your argument): billions of three-eyed two-headed tail-having double-jointed backwards-limbed critters dead within weeks, just like they are in the present = so?