Yeah, I had a short metal period in my late teens—I was listening to a lot of Guns N Roses at the time. I was more into Hardcore Punk when I was in my mid teens. Before that it was crap synthpop and the like.

teen years went pretty much from punk/new wave to prog/space music. Got heavily into “proper” indie (ie independent record charts, not brit “indie” genre) in the mid eighties onwards, but went back to prog/spacemusic/new wave when indie got lamaquized. The only metal I really liked in the 80s was motorhead, hanoi rocks, twisted sister & judas priest, though I went to see most of the big metal bands play (most of whom sux0r3d)

Whassamatter with Grouty’s pic? It looks like a detail from a model trainset, and model trainsets are awesome! I wish I had room for one, whenever I’m in town, I always look at all the little hornby steam locomotives in modelzone & feel all wistful.

Feeling really down, & also really wound up today, I don’t know why. didn’t sleep well last night either.

Funny, a lot of people I know who say they were into metal in the 80s growing up say they then got into punk/hardcore then indie or dance or whatever.

When i was 15 or 16 I got a cd player (I had a few lps but wasnt really INTO music, just listened to charts radio like most people but preferred the rock or synthpop end i suppose) So I got into U2 and then after a few years I got into Rolling Stones, Beatles, Who, Sex Pistols and then Nirvana came along. Talk about perfect timing. When I got into Nirvana my new mates(i only moved to hamilton about 6 months before Nevermind came out) were in two camps. Ones i knew from Accies games and they tended to like indie like Stone Roses, Primal Scream,The Smiths, Pixies etc and the non footy ones liked Metallica, Guns n roses etc. I never liked glam metal at all(had a mate at school who did) so Grunge was a great way to bridge the gap between the two. Was great finding out there was good bands existed but weren’t in the charts.

Nirvana really was life changing for me since I didn’t have any older brothers or sisters to get me into music like so many do. So I had to find it all by myself(with help from Nirvana of course). melody maker, Raw, Kerrang and even NME were good back then helping me discover stuff.

And of course Napster and co helped me find new bands when I just wasn’t liking what the magazines were covering 5–6 years ago, as I was buying mainly old music like Krautrock,funk, jazz and erm the classics obviously.

The internet helped my tastes get even broader.

I do wonder what age I will be when I finally give up on new bands, or even music.

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Hanoi Rocks are a great band! One of the classic bands i got into in the late 90s. My mate saw them with Johnny Thunders opening for them in 1985 I think it was. Since he’s 40 he’s seen loads of great bands. His elder brother saw Sabbath with ozzy. My mate saw them with Dio. Those 2 and their friends have seen some amazing gigs.

Aw, sorry you are also feeling rub today, Pash. :-( Is it post-holiday blues? When you have a good time on holiday, it’s rubbish to have to come back to work.

I am feeling rub because of nerves mainly, for tonight. Which I guess is a good thing, as I haven’t had nerves about a gig in... well, about as long as I haven’t been enjoying them. So maybe nerves are an integral part of the process.

Oh, and other crap, but I’m not going to get into that here.

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My sore eye seems to have improved a bit. Its where it was when it 1st went sore on tuesday. A lot better than yesterday though. That Golden Eye ointment the pharmacist recommended seems to be doing the trick. Hope It doesn’t get worse again though or I will have to try get an appointment with the doctor.

Norman> Any news on whats up with ILX?

OK, you got me: It’s from the Pendon model railway museum, near Abingdon. Alice won a Family ticket to it.

Slaves to authenticity: Someone noted to the guideperson that the ticket inspector on the GWR train coudn’t be from the 1940’s as they always had a buttonhole (flower). So they dug up the regulations, and apparently all customer-facing staff had to provide of themselves a buttonhole flower. So they shut it down overnight, opened the top of the train, and put a little white dot on the lapel.

Oh yeah, that Goldeneye stuff is great. But I can’t even read that name without wanting to go “GOLDENEYE!!!” a-la Tina Turner.

Oh, “Metal-phase”..

Never did. Only in passing, i.e. bought the first Nirvana album.

I think it’s just that all of the jobs I have in are, uh, “unrewarding”, and also I keep losing sales b/c the 2 main bike brands I do are both backordered by several months. I lost a 600 quid sale on tuesday because of this—guy comes in wanting a specific bike, so I phone them up, and the quote the end of november as the due date, bye-bye sale.

OTOH, I really am sick of working. I got loads of music done in my week off, now I’m back to sneaking up into the attic at 10pm and getting a couple of hours done b/c I have to go to bed at 12

When I was a kid at school, one of the other kids’ dads had a big model rail layout in his attic, with amazingly detailed, realistic scenery. In one corner he’d made a little river out of clear resin, with a little school of fish, made out of tiny slivers of wood, I presume, dipped in silver paint. around a bend in the river from the school of fish was a little model angler, sitting in a dejected pose. When I was a kid I thought it was dorky and a bit embarrasing, but now I think it’s really funny and cool, and it makes me wonder what other similar things he’d made that I missed at the time.

From my own personal experience the people my age tend to have had a goth phase if they didn’t have a metal phase. Those a bit older it’s definitely a punk or prog phase if its not the 70s hard rock.

(excluding the people who prefer chart music—ie the majority of people)

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I saw hanoi rocks on all of their uk tours, the second one was the best, they were absolutely rocking, the forth one, w/johnny thunders supporting, they had got as bit slack, johnny thunders band absolutley blew them off stage. I still like “bankok shocks...” the rest of it, not so much.

The 1st album is my fave too. My least fave is the one everyone raves about(the last album),still good though, I just prefer them when they were raw.

HA HA HA HA HA, yes, I had a Goff phase. Some might say it never ended.

Lookit what I just saw advertised:

ED!!! Someone nicked our prog and psych night idea!

That’s all psych! I don’t see much in the way of prog there at all!

Well, Soft Machine and Pink Floyd definitely straddle the pysch/prog line. I think I saw Hawkwind in there, too, but maybe it was wishful thinking.

on that subject (the “p” word), I flipped thru a copy of “Classic Rock” in Tesco’s the other day, and they had reprinted an old interview w/joe strummer where he was waxing lyrical about how awesome king crimson were! wtf.

Why have Soft Machine, 13th floor elevators and Misunderstood got asterixes? hmmm

xpost didn’t J.Lydon say much the same thing recently?

I bought “Red Queen to Gryphon Three” in to-bay, btw if anyone’s interested. It’l like that “Bouree” track of the 2nd circulus album, except there’s a whole album of it, and their keyboard player has better taste in moog noises.

I’m looking at analogue solutions (uk modular synth manufacturer) website in another browser tab, and it’s condensed the url yo “http://www.anal...solutions.com”. Ha ha ha ha ha ha. God.

Ha ha ha ha ha, indeed. :-)

I think lydon said the same thing years ago, except w/him it was hawkwind and peter hammill.

Ooh, I’ve never been to Pendon. I, also, wish I had room, time and money enough for a model railway; I’ve got as far as joining the Scalefour Society

I know you don’t like it when we don’t stereotype you ..

Hey, for all you know, they might *not* have been pervs!

Ok, they were.

There wasn’t anything interesting and salvagable in the crap they were throwing out and/or sending to charity, though—they offered me a pair of cheap wrist cuffs whose D-rings had snapped off, but I’ve given up on rescuing other people’s broken crap for the moment. I always take things in thinking “ooh, I can do something with that”, and it just sits around gathering dust. I did rescue a length of lightweight chain they didn’t want—it’s not great, because its links are a bit weird in style, but I need more. In fact, I really should go out some time, talk to a locksmith, and get a set of maybe 10 small same-keyed padlocks. I can’t imagine ever needing to use that many at once, but the largest same-keyed sets I’ve seen in DIY stores have 3 in, which isn’t enough for non-immobilising positions.

That night looks like my kinda thing! I can’t go :(

FP how much do people spend on kitting out a serviceable dungeon with all modern conveniences?

The watercooler has gone pervy and it’s not because of Kate this time.

I’m very tempted to go... if I can find someone to go with me. I’ve been kind of rubbish about going to clubs and/or gigs on mine own lately.

It does look very good. Though I’m never quite sure with 60s psych clubs. I can’t stand purism. The thing that’s great about Sonic Cathedrals is, even though it’s a “Shoegazer Club” is that it will play music of all ages, if it’s kinda psychedelic and textural—they’ll happily play Chapterhouse and then play The Pink Floyd then Jonathan Richman then Neu! then dub reggae.

While 60s clubs tend to be very IF IT WAS RECORDED AFTER 1969 WE’RE NOT HAVING IT!!! even though a lot of what I would think of as total 60s psych wasn’t recorded until 1972 or whenever.

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Kate have you found anyone to go see Sunn o))) with you?

No, but I’m positive that at least half the Plan B crew will be there anyway.

I’d love to go to that Heads gig, but I just swing it.

FP how much do people spend on kitting out a serviceable dungeon with all modern conveniences?

If you start buying furniture and everything, you can spend thousands. The average perv who’s been around for a few years will have a few hundred quid’s worth of toys and clothes, more if they’re into a particular clothing fetish.

GODMOTHERFUCKINGDAMN!!!

::kicks something::

And I can’t even rant about it here because I’ll get shouted at. Grrrrrrrrr.

Who’s going to shout at you?? I won’t! Rant away!

No, you won’t. But all kinds of people who have decided to take it upon themselves to speak for other people—oh yeah, and possibly even those other people, too, would shout at me.

So just never mind.

::kicks something::

I’ve got to try and finish this bloody report before the end of the week.

Oh, day, why won’t you go faster?

otm :(

Listening to the tracks on your own myspace page @ the moment.

I’m listening to Neu! 75. I had forgotten how pretty this album is!

“Hung with Joy” is the best one. I liked the gnarly wah-wah on the blog one.

Thanks! Hung With Joy remains, to this day, my favourite thing I’ve ever recorded. Wish I could remember how I did it... but I was on drugz at the time. Heh.

I usually check all the music when we get a friend request from a band, I’m always pleasantly surprised at how much of it I do like a lot.

I wish I could be so assiduous, but the sound on MySpace doesn’t work on my ‘puter. So I kinda have to go by what they look like. Shallow, huh?

Oh, day, why won’t you go faster?

Cos the timezone thing on faux-ilx isn’t live, seemingly

Ha! not really, or if it is, so is everyone else. The proportion of bands who have hott goth chixx at the top of their “friend” list against those who don’t is high.

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Do you decline requests tho?

Very rarely on the Shimura Curves account—unless it’s some totally tasteless tacky thing with nekkid womens all over it.

I usually decline random requests on my personal account unless I actually know them (or if they have people I know listed in their top eight), or unless their space looks particularly cool. i.e. hott dirty dronerock boys I will always accept friendships from.

Not that I get many of those, mind you. :-(

I haven’t yet. The one time I nearly did, it was from some goth band who were obviously trying to get as many “friends” on their list as possible. I listened to their first track, and the lyrics started off “down in the deep dark dungeon of my soul”, so obviously had to add them for that. It paid off when I got into an agrument with the singer on analogue heaven (pure coincidence! I recognised the guy’s email address—his band name and remembered it) when he was running down prog-rock lyrics, heh.

That’s good and synchronous, hah

I don’t think being shallow is necessarily a bad thing anyway.

I ain’t got no last fm friends—should ask around really.

I thought there was supposed to be a box saying WOULD LIKE TO MEET but I never seemed to find it. I should put in WOULD LIKE TO MEET DIRTY DRONEROCK BOYS!!! and see if any friend me.

God DAMN!!!

I’ve been working on this payaway report all day, trying to get the rolling cumulative totals to add up right. And this conslutant keeps PESTERING me to make this minor change on his case. Less than half an hour before he sent the second request.

Like... DUDE!!! I am the head of MI for a large company of several hundred people. I clearly have NOTHING better to do with my time than change your errors.

Bah.

and the lyrics started off “down in the deep dark dungeon of my soul”,

.....Nah i can’t do that to FP twice in one day.

He can take it, I’m sure.

It depends how much lu... no, sorry, that’s too bad even for me ;-)

lunch?

I ain’t got no last fm friends—should ask around really.

I’ll be your last fm friend!

I DON’T WANT TO KNOW!!!

::sticks fingers in ears and thinks of Benjamin::

LA LA LA LA LA LA LAAAAA LA LA LA LA LAAAAA LA LA!

Yay! Cheers

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add me http://www.last.fm/user/trailofgybe/

Here we go loobi-lu

Who is going to be mother?

Thanks friends :)

(Come on, that was a perfect place to point out that who am I to complain about FP’s proclivities when I am clearly keeping underage boys in cages in that photo...)

Nice palm-tree earring he’s got there

Yes, that was the fashion in 1987. (Which is a shame, considering that photos was taken in about 1997.)

Awww, it’s just so cute to see floppy teenaged Ben. Because he still had that huge lopsided grin, but the rest of him hadn’t quite grown into it yet. :-)

Just think, Benjamin probably spoke to you about pedals thinking “at last its not a teenage girl who doesn’t lust after me and just wants to talk geek stuff about pedals”.

Then one day he finds ILX Watercooler on google...

Unless you’re like this on the TSM boards too of course.

I’m much, MUCH worse. :-P

There’s a whole thread dedicated to nothing but me and Brandon’s number one nutter going “pedals! ASS!!! pedals!!! ASS!!! ORGAN!!! ass!!! PEDALS!!!!!”

Thing is... from personal experience... I wouldn’t mind someone lusting after me like that if it was for the *right* reasons. I mean, everyone likes to feel attractive?

Once upon a time, when I was hott and skinny and attractive and my band used to tour, I used to get approached by groupie boys. And if the groupie boy was all “uuuhhh... breasts....” I’d get turned off. But if a groupie boy was all “Omigod, I love your pedals...” and then went “Aw, you’re so cute!” as well, I’d be much more likely to respond. Or, like, sign his chest or whatever. (This is actually a true story, a boy did ask me to sign his chest after talking to me gooily about pedals for half an hour.)

It wasn’t a teenage Benjamin was it?

Wouldn’t that be totally awesome if it actually was the case!

Nah, it was some dude from Brighton. Can’t remember his name. He was in a band, too... would be hilarious if he’d turned out to grow up to be famous.

(This has actually happened with a different former groupie. Heh.)

Would’ve been even better if it had been her signing Benjamins arse that she lusts after.

...I’m trying to think if there could have been an overlap. But I think Benjamin was being teenaged in Dallas when I was making Kraut Hop in NYC. By the time he moved to NYC, I was back in the UK. Sigh.

Maybe he was in the UK on a school trip..

There *was* that adorable red-headed 17 year old groupie in NYC, but his name wasn’t Benjamin, it was J@r3d...

Rebecchi?

Eh?

Sorry, I’m lost in a reverie here.

Maybe this is why being in a band is no fun any more. I don’t get groupies any more. I can’t remember the last time a cute red-headed boy asked me to sign his chest.

Pfff, I have never once had the merest suggestion of a groupie. All I ever got was ppl asking me things like “where did you get your mellotron samples from” and suchlike ;_;

Hahahaha. Thats why Kate hasn’t been in a prog band.

*gags*

I haven’t just played in prog bands, Kerr.

Well, it helps with pedal groupies... I mean, they have such leading names.

17 Year Old Groupie (let’s call him Benjamin): What kind of distortion pedal are you using? It sounds so cool...

Kate: Oh, would you like to come backstage and play with my Big Muff?

Benjamin: Ooh, sure. Would you care to adjust the knob of my Meatball?

Kate: Just be careful of the Electric Mistress...

Benjamin: Ooh, err, missus, etc.

The pedal is called a big muff pi, don’t forget.

La la la la la la laaaa...

Shit, I should set up some new users before I leave.

Right, off I go. To make a fool of myself on the television. Thank god it’s all being recorded, and it’s not live. Heh.

Ah-ha! This is where you’ve all got to! Your diabolical plan to rid yourselves of me has failed!

So, still nothing?

I spent last night with a camera in my AREA. I’ve always wondered why they film the guitarist’s picking hand, which does almost nothing and not the fretting hand.

Ha ha ha, an ACTUAL Freemason has just friended me on MySpace. Excellent!

Heh, I haven’t actually allowed anybody to be my friend on myspace.

“Grr, go away! Don’t wanna listen to yr crummy band!”

(That’s via myspace links, so present company excepted naturally. I only got it to stop all those other MarkGrout’s from nabbing it!)

What does it do?

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I have no clue. I think might be a TARDIS control. I’m utterly and completely in love. I wanna marry that pedal.

me doesn’t rhyme with 0

Yes, but if you divide by zero, you get infinity—and that rhymes with me.

Kerr, what the heck is this Joanna Newsom thing you’ve sent me? A bit twee, but odd enough to intrigue.

ROFL I just tried to register so I wouldn’t have to type my details for every post and it led to a fifteen minute comedy of errors, in which I seem to have ‘taken’ my own name from myself. I miss real-ilx.

I like the way you try to imply that sort of thing didn’t happen on ILX Classic.

yeah I have avoided registering—too much like acceptance :)

So kate, tell us more about the tv thing!

Kate , You haven’t heard of Joanna Newsome before?

My Warmer Milks lp came today. Woohoo!

I’ve heard the name, but just assumed it was more of that wibbling neofolk crap like Devandra Beardface or whatever.

OK, it’s nice, but I can’t listen to more than about 10 minutes at a time without feeling like I’ve eaten a bit too much carrot cake and am about to get into sugarshock.

Weird, she looks a bit like my friend Frances.

If shes twee then Mitya and FP should love her!