blocking traffic is an inherent good?
really?
remember who you’re talking to
I just usually think of things like “people not getting killed” or “people getting fed” or “people having a job” as being inherent goods, was not aware of the dastardly evil that is moving from one place to another on a public thoroughfare.
again, remember who you’re talking to
wtf iatee, get outta your bubble. Inconveniencing struggling single parents who happen to depend on cars will not help your media image.
you heard em hoos, let the struggling single parents through
take the Metro, have fewer kids.
sarcasm won’t help your image either xp
sarcasm is an inherent good regardless
^ posts very much in character
I tend to think of it more as a service
Morbs I agree with u but telling that to someone who already lives in the wrong (car-dependent) place with two kids and an underwater mortgage is not exactly a selling point.
sell the extra kid to Newt Gingrich, he’ll find a job for him
not if he’s brown-skinned.
ha
Morbs I agree with u but telling that to someone who already lives in the wrong (car-dependent) place with two kids and an underwater mortgage is not exactly a selling point.
do you honestly think this is a good description of the average person in a car on k-street
no, bur it is a good description of the several irl people I have seen alienated from protest movements b/c of poorly-conceived tactics like randomly blocking public traffic.
not that I agree w/ those people writing off a whole movement based on isolated tactics or whatever, but based on my experience blocking traffic (in specific) seems to be very alienating to friends of mine who don’t share my radical views.
breaking windows, that’s a bit more of a tossup. people go either way.
that’s interesting.
break my window and I’ll run you over with my V8 engine SUV.
ON MY WAY TO PICK UP MY KIDS ABLOO ABLOO ABLOO
a broad cross-section ofc people utilize the k st. corridor on the daily. i mean, there are bad people who work there doing awful things to america, but it’s not the lexis parade of sneering powerlords that you’re imagining iateedawg.
Though for the record I spent a Friday afternoon rush hour noting cars & there was a preposterously high number of Jaguars & Beamers.
Every time I see this thread, I think of my cats
unless all of the Bimmers you saw were 5 Series, I’d guess a good number of them were an income bracket below all of the Jags you saw
Lots of people who ride into DC work for non-profits and government agencies and even like, construction jobs and shit. Some people start work at 6 in the morning and get off at 2. Disrupting traffic is really lame.
― rusty flathead screwdriver, Wednesday, December 7, 2011 12:40 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Permalink
you’re concern-trolling for people you don’t even know based on no evidence. either way, americans feeling righteously entitled to smoothly flowing car traffic as a basic right* is going to face some serious challenges in the future from all kinds of fronts and is basically untenable.
(and of course this ALWAYS depends on what is the cause of the not-smoothly-flowing traffic. police checkpoint: legitimate. protesting: not legitimate.)
xp oh do tell us more, k-street expert and capn-save-a-single-parent.
americans feeling righteously entitled to smoothly flowing car traffic as a basic right*
this is just such a bizarre and wrongheaded statement
I’m concern-trolling for myself and the people I ride the bus with, dickwad.
OMG WORKING PEOPLE DON’T WANT TO GET HASSLED BY THEIR BOSSES FOR BEING LATE? THE NERVE! etc
this is just such a bizarre and wrongheaded statement
^^^
I hate cars. I don’t drive to work. I take the bus—which uses city streets. Streets have long existed as the central organizing principle of urban space since well before cars were invented. people living/working in cities should absolutely feel entitled to using streets to get from one place to another, regardless of what vehicles are being used. I am a hardcore fan of public space, they are there for everybody to use, and they are funded by everybody for a reason.
poor working people get screwed no matter what. protesting in visible public places is too important a tactic to give up because it “causes” traffic. minimizing problems for the powerless along the way is important, but reaching out with real goals/vision-for-the-future-type-stuff for us and the less-fortunate-than-we-are is more important than worrying about inconveniencing and omigod alienating some people. they were either asking to be alienated in the first place or you aren’t doing a good enough job reaching out in other ways.
xp not talking about “streets as public thoroughfare,” talking about “i was 15 minutes late and my boss was an asshole about it.”
how dare OWS make me late to the job i hate so i can live paycheck to paycheck
they were either asking to be alienated in the first place
might wanna think about how successful this kind of rhetoric is in attempting to build a broad-based movement
and I’m not arguing against protesting in public spaces—that is also what they are for!—I was irritated by iatee saying that blocking traffic IN AND OF ITSELF is a good thing. it’s not.
I think it’s pretty obvious that Occupy is past the point where overly combative/rhetoric tactics are going to win them any support
ugh i’m getting into an armchair argument i have no business being in and afaict HOOS does an awesome job of it day in and day out. what can i say, i’m in a people-suck Dr-Morbius type of mood, or a people suck Dr Morbius type of mood, whatever.
xpost oh yeah i don’t think blocking traffic is inherently good at all.
that’s what ppl were objecting to/mocking, it kind of had nothing to do with OWS
I hate cars. I don’t drive to work. I take the bus—which uses city streets. Streets have long existed as the central organizing principle of urban space since well before cars were invented. people living/working in cities should absolutely feel entitled to using streets to get from one place to another, regardless of what vehicles are being used. I am a hardcore fan of public space, they are there for everybody to use, and they are funded by everybody for a reason.
I’m ‘not gonna get into this’ but the distribution of public space in a place like DC in the past 100 years has shifted radically towards ‘cars and parking merit 80% of a street’s width. it is, very much, a zero-sum game and one that isn’t unrelated to OWS stuff as much of the country simply has no appropriate space to ‘occupy’ because most places don’t have shared streets or very visible/centralized public spaces. that’s one reason why it’s much more feasible to protest in a european city and ps, they block traffic there too it just doesn’t put the whole country into crisis mode.
OWS didn’t fuck up downtown traffic nearly as badly as the White House xmas tree lighting ceremony did last week. WHERE’S THE OUTRAGE???
at least Obama’s visits to NYC to raise millions from the 1% drive ppl out of midtown
oh man i died has died
can somone please put anonymous’ corny ass news reports with guy fawkes masks to bed? because really, turning reality into some kind of cartoony sci-fi max headroom shit makes the message CHEEZ AS FUCK.
when we’re getting live reports from the ground from “unknownvector” and “circleApunk” i’d say reality is already pretty sci-fi
Occupy Snowcrash
thinking more
boston set to get evicted (again) tonight
Yeah, watching those Anonymous video communiques makes me feel like I’m on a Johnny Mnemonic ride at a theme park, which isn’t an entirely unpleasant sensation, to be honest. But probably not super helpful in terms of getting across the seriousness of what’s in that defense bill.
ha cory doctorow just tweeted “this is like a lost chapter from ‘little brother,’ except it actually happened: http://myoccupylaarrest.blogspot.com/2011/12/my-occupy-la-arrest-by-patrick-meighan.html ”
^^ just forwarded that link to my siblings to read. Worth the time.
JoshHarkinson ·More
Law and Order Special Victims Unit has set up a replica of the occupation of Zuccotti Park at nearby Foley Square for a new episode.
#lol
@DiceyTroop ·More
Yup! Law and Order built us a new home, so we’re moving in! See you all at Foley Square! Stay cool; treat it like it’s ours. #Mockupy #d9
hahahahahah paging baudrillard
“They’ve delivered us this perfectly wrapped Xmas present with a bow on top.They rebuilt our camp. How could we not go and take it?”
meanwhile in boston
http://www.livestream.com/occupyboston
here we go
feels like a lifetime ago that i did this the first time
livestream: easily over a thousand people
@c_________ now
Going out the way I came in- defending my media tent. #OccupyBoston
my fuckin girl
there’s a marching band playing “which side are you on”
@diymediadotnet ·More
So two guys livestreaming from their phones run into each other at #occupyboston. “We just exploded the Internet,” says one in greeting.
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Chants of “NYPD does not respect law and order!” as cops rush in. #mockupy
Retweeted by #OCCUPYWALLSTREET
lmao <3333333333333333333333
boston:
“the police have said that they will not clear the camp tonight”
fuck yes
in all seriousness though i wonder if it’s gonna be a moot point when the students leave town in a week anyway
no yeah i mean
i go out of town next thurs to the following tues and i’m terrified we’re gonna get hit while i’m gone
and i have a sense bpd are just waiting til 4am or whatevet
@dailyrev ·More
@OccupyWallStNYC Can you evict a fake idea? Can you fake-evict an idea? Can the occupiers at the perimeter move to arrest the NYPD inside?
seriously this is making my entire life
@jopauca 26s
Livestreamer: “Are these barricades yours or the sets?” NYPD: “I don’t even know. They don’t look like ours. I don’t know.”
i am loling harder than i ever have in my entire life
robin is going home in boston—she would not go home if she didn’t think boston was safe
boston is safe
http://bostonherald.com/news/columnists/view/2011_1207why_meninos_wary_of_ousting_occupiers/
this is actually kind of insightful from the boston herald (!):
“(The mayor) expects the judge to come down his way on this,” the source explained. “And when she does, he’ll do nothing. At least not right away.
“He obviously expects the weather to get brutal soon. And that will make it harder and harder for them to stay, especially with the ban on any winter tents.”
So, exasperated though he may be, Menino will wait on a judge and then wait for winter to start feeling like winter.
also having lived in boston for as long as i did, i wouldn’t put it past menino/the bpd to make a big spectacle of themselves even if the simpler thing to do WOULD just be to wait for the students to clear out for the holidays and take a bunch of occupiers with them (as the article alludes to, the bpd have also had some pretty prominent, erm, crowd control issues over the past decade or so)
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So it was all a ruse: @occupyboston head fake, NYC #mockupy, and meanwhile @occupyphoenix really is being raided. livestream.com/OccupyPhoenix
whoa boston getting raid now maybe
Remember to get you some sleep, hoos.
boston evicted this morning, 46 arrested
tonight they arrested boston people FOR HAVING A GA IN THE PARK
so much for the 1st Amendment, RIP.
Our city council is voting tomorrow on whether to extend the camp’s permissions.
tonight they arrested boston people FOR HAVING A GA IN THE PARK
deets?
Staten Island vs Cheney tomorrow night:
also there are some folks out west raising a ruckus tomorrow
#D12 is the hashtag
GA =?= general assembly?
Sorry, but I’m having a hard time moving this one into standard english.
yup, general assembly
holy hell you guys the hashtag is on some speed-of-light shit
my boys at the portland occupier are liveblogging
the port of oakland is closed
also hearing reports via cnn that portland is shut down
@qwmagazine
haha, the people arrested for tweeting are now chanting “whose tweets? our tweets.” form inside the van. #d12 #ows
A+
gonna get some live reports myself here in an hour or so and put ’em on the radio.
Occupy PORTLAND has shut down Terminal 6.—Port spokesman Josh Thomas confirms port is basically shut down for the day
cops (somewhere on the west coast, too fast for me to figure this out atm) are bringing in dogs, calling for dispersal of illegal assembly “in the name of the people of california”
which people, i wonder
ows is taking over the brookfield lobby! diceytroop tags “#BONUSROUND” lol
what are yr thoughts on the port blocking thing btw hoos? i am out of the loop (& don’t really know what’s going on wrt this port) but thought i remembered you being sorta unsure about it on here somewhere upthread.
i was and am unsure about it tbh
but then again when the cops start arresting people with cameras who don’t have “official journalist credentials” i’m kinda down for whatever
we’ve traced the ows livestream
its coming from INSIDE THE PADDYWAGON AHHH
“When I see a policeman with a club beating a man on the ground, I don’t have to ask whose side I’m on.” -George Orwell
xp to myself
cops escalated simultaneously in oakland & lb, now simultaneously backing down
?