so the david west deal went through? lol wtf
omg the celts are giving him 3 years, 30m?
in 10 years, there will be only 10 teams in the league
lol oops
nytimes otm
So how do small market teams and Stern benefit if Chris Paul is not traded and leaves as a free agent at the end of the season?
its not abt not trading paul, its abt that nola was getting completely hosed in that particular trade
in fact i wouldnt be surprised if he did get moved to the lakers w/a party than houston as the third team
what any team wants when they are forced to move a superstar and go into rebuilding mode is some combo of good young players, quality draft picks, and cap relief, they got none of those things!
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Friday, December 9, 2011 11:41 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Permalink
stern has since confirmed that this was in fact his motivation for negging the trade
-also wanted to practice techniques he learned from reading the game
gonna get raped
rip h to chicago they say, lol i guess
“Yes, we’ve been given autonomy to make another trade,” Hornets general manager Dell Demps told reporters at a news conference Friday night.
lol
does no one understand what ‘owning a team’ means
i really don’t want cp3 on the lakers guys :(
yeah me neither, i dont think theyre championship quality w/him sans odom and gasol tho so w/e lol, their top three players would all be major injury risks now too
they could be a dangerous playoff team if they’re all healthy but i don’t think this deal adds any wins to their regular season total
i sense a large kobe decline coming
nah unfortunately his decline will be gradual and extremely protracted
thats whats happened so far but gradual decline tends to turn into sudden decline
its weird that the lakers arent going after howard instead of cp3 btw imho
i don’t understand what could be included in this trade to make it more palatable — i mean, the lakers have no young players, unless you consider, uh, derrick caracter — the rockets have a bunch of young players, some are interesting, maybe not good tho, and also if they’re still giving up scola & martin, i’m not sure that they could or should give up much more
yeah me neither, im surprised they didnt try to use a diff third party
theyre prob just playing chicken w/stern hoping hell cave post public outrage
not really a guy i would count on taking kindly to that sort of behavior
don’t really understand point guard + shooting guard combo
like, CP3 + dwight howard = rack ’em up. CP3 + kobe—how is CP3 gonna help create more scoring opportunities for Kobels?
i don’t understand what could be included in this trade to make it more palatable — i mean, the lakers have no young players, unless you consider, uh, derrick caracter
ATER MAJOK
In the details available to Yahoo! Sports, Paul goes the Lakers, Pau Gasol to the Rockets, and Houston still sends Kevin Martin, Luis Scola, and a 2012 first-round pick to the Hornets. The main changes in the deal, originally nixed by the NBA, will come between New Orleans and the Lakers, sources say.
i still dgi — hollinger is speculating that it means bynum is getting flipped for okafor
CP3 + kobe—how is CP3 gonna help create more scoring opportunities for Kobels?
yeah, i think this is right. it creates for LAL the same type of potential redundancies that led to criticism of the wade/bron pairing, but — for a lot of reasons (including age and health/durability) — the latter has a lot more upside potential than the former. now if LA adds howard, that will help, but as i say, a lot depends on health and durability. and yeah, kobe may decline fast.
wait, bynum for someone besides howard? i’m a little behind the news today.
which means that the lakers would’ve traded their two best big men, absorbed the core of last year’s 7th seed, and added a 33 year old kobe bryant
well done?
the bynum thing is just john hollinger’s speculation as to how paul, gasol, scola and martin can still be involved in a deal that will be in any way significantly different than the nixed trade
odom stays in LA as part of this deal?
so that would be odom — WORLD PEACE — bynum — kobE — CP3
ehhhhh . . . yeah, i guess.
no, bynum would be leaving
the parameters of this deal are unclear to me. bynum leaving for anything less than howard has to be a big disappointment to LA, since they have nothing left to offer the magic, i assume.
if the Magic lose howard they might as well just create animatronic fans to attend teh games
odom was sulking, last I heard
he’ll get over it
cuz he’s sleeping w/ a Kardashian
well they would be getting back okafor, so in hollinger’s theoretical deal their line up would look like
paul-bryant-world peace-odom-okafor
w/ no bench to speak of
again, this is just hollinger speculating on how the deal could go through and involve the hornets getting back a good, young player
honestly i think that the nets would trump whatever deal the lakers could put up if all they had to offer was bynum anyway
yeah. okafor’s okay. he’s no dwight howard, and he offers nothing that the magic would want for dwight howard.
that LAL lineup isn’t too scary to me, especially with no bench.
odom was sulking, last I heard
― Aimless, Saturday, December 10, 2011
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he’ll get over it
― if you ain’t gonna wash it, i ain’t gonna eat it, Saturday, December 10, 2011
he will! here’s how: kobe bryant will say to him, “shut the f—k up, lamar odom.”
i’m pretty sure odom, who will continue to be paid millions of dollars to play basketball professionally in los angeles, will get over it
meanwhile, the hornets
jack
martin
ariza
scola
bynum
this is a playoff team
honestly tho, on the one hand the lakers would be crazy to send out gasol and bynum and get back anyone besides howard, but on the other, i don’t see how this deal goes through otherwise. there’s no one of consequence left to trade besides bynum.
The Lakers (read: Kupchak) seem to think that Kobe’s knees can make it through the shortened season and maybe they can steal one last title before the major rebuilding phase starts.
i still dgi — hollinger is speculating that it means bynum is getting flipped for okafor
― v-shasty, Saturday, December 10, 2011 2:00 PM (25 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink
makes sense
honestly tho, on the one hand the lakers would be crazy to send out gasol and bynum and get back anyone besides howard, but on the other, i don’t see how this deal goes through otherwise. there’s no one of consequence left to trade besides bynum.
― v-shasty, Saturday, December 10, 2011 2:15 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink
guess the lakers figured they just didnt have the pieces to get howard
anyway if theyre shipping gasol and bynum for paul and okafor, lol lakers
well idk, you have to think that gasol and bynum would trump any deal for howard, right?
eh who knows, once again its not really young players draft picks and cap relief
WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Knicks have waived Chauncey Billups under amnesty provision.
feel like if howard gets moved the magic will get a major haul, im trying to recall when a player of his caliber got traded, and not some bullshit sign n trade ala bron but a real trade
ESPNSteinLine Marc Stein
Most recent construction of CP3 trade, sources say, does indeed still send Odom to NOH. Hornets want him as much as Martin/Scola, even ...
3 minutes ago
this guy the hornets gm i can only conclude is a frickin idiot
this guy the hornets gm i can only conclude is trolling the fuck out of david stern
chadfordinsider Chad Ford
Lots of speculation that Emeka Okafor is in the new CP3 deal. Source says he is not part of trade.
so idg what’s even going on
I’m impressed by how well Pistons did on Hamilton’s buy-out. He took $8 million while owed $25 million. Also, since they didn’t use their amnesty on him, they could ditch Gordon or Charlie V. now or in the future and be seriously under the cap.
Of course, they’d have to use that space in a trade because nobody better than Ben or Charlie is signing as a free agent.
yeah, the CP3 trade is moving too fast, but it all seems to point to two things (to me): (a) LAL will lose a lot of the big size that’s served them well in their recent championship seasons (okafur just doesn’t impress me as equal to the bigs the lakers would be losing) and (b) they won’t have enough left over, after the trade, to offer to the magic for dwight howard.
on balance, this seems like a bad deal for LAL.
i still think the best match for the magic is... the bulls
stop it!
dwight howard will be a perfect fit for the NYNets.
i mean they’re the only team that can keep their best player and still offer the magic anything halfway decent
i guess a third team can always be roped in
yeah besides bron straight up bulls prob make the most sense
god damn billups is being hella cunty
WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
For teams considering claim on Chauncey Billups, he tells Y!: “A leader can be as disruptive as he can be productive..This is about me now.”
u go girl
you mean lebron for the ENTIRE BULLS TEAM? seems fair.
yeah, just saw that line from billups. he might just force his way to a contender (i assume miami, to stick it to the NYK).
lol c’mon dawg
WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Billups: “People take my kindness and professionalism for weakness. They think I’ll be OK with (getting claimed). I won’t be OK with this.”
lmao some shit team should claim him just cause
I hope one of the teams that need to make salary floor claim him and park him on the bench as he rots away his last good year.
good being relative, as he’s been crazy overrated for years.
billups has done enough of the right things at the right times and been a pro forever. I want to cut him some slack on this. No fun being kicked down the road.
lol. yeah, be the team that — in one swift move — ENDS CHAUNCEY BILLUPS’ CAREER.
agree with aimless, btw (in all seriousness). and i do now see him landing with the heat. the possible complication is that billups rants are the next phase in the post-CBA war of attrition between players and owners over player movement, and maybe some owner will claim billups just to frustrate him.
johnhollinger John Hollinger
Blatantly obvious Billups strategy likely to be copied by other amnesty players. If nobody picks him, can double dip and get more $$
2 minutes ago
works for me. He’s getting $14 million wherever he plays (or doesn’t). Being a professional is about fulfilling a contract. Next year he can dictate where he plays for the vet’s minimum.
xposts, obv.
lol all so irrelevant chauncey is beyond cooked, hang it up mr big shot
c’mon, he averaged 14 points and about 6 assists last year.
and if he’s looking for a lot of money, then no, he won’t be headed to miami.
He put up average offensive stats on high pace teams where he had free reign to chuck it and not play a lick of defense. Impressive.
Knicks think big with Chandler deal
New York throws more money around, but cap creativity opens up more possibilities
By John Hollinger
If I would characterize the New York Knicks organization in one word, it would be “impatient.”
Over the past two decades, the Knicks have looked for every shortcut and thrown money at every problem. The ultimate result is that they’ve spent twice as much as everybody else, but the results haven’t been much different.
So it was when they gave a fully guaranteed $95 million to an uninsurable (and thus untradeable) player in Amare Stoudemire who has had two microfractures, and so it was when they threw in pretty much every useful asset they had in order to get Carmelo Anthony from Denver.
But here’s the thing: Given those parameters, what they did with Tyson Chandler made a lot of sense. If you start from the assumption that there’s no such thing as a bad contract with the Knicks because they don’t care if they pay luxury tax and they’ll never be under the cap again in the next half decade, then paying $58 million to Chandler over four years isn’t that big a problem.
Make no mistake, this deal will be untradeable the second it’s signed. But given the decisions New York has already made and its unique immunity to fiscal sanity, it still made sense.
The Knicks will have this cap space once and only once. It behooved them to use it on the best player who would take their money. Moreover, using it on a center — the most expensive position — made all kinds of sense. Guards are dramatically less expensive; you can get good ones using the midlevel exception. So the Knicks will more than happily use that exception each of the next three years. ...
... And this one! Because in a nice bit of cap management, the Knicks set this up as a sign-and-trade, meaning they never signed a free agent using cap space and thus retain all of their exceptions.
In the meantime, New York can add two backcourt pieces with the newly generated exceptions — if you’re wondering, they can’t sign Chauncey Billups, whom they intend to amnesty the rest of this season — and plenty of good guards are still available. And while we’re at it, I’ll just throw this out there now: In the summer of 2012, Steve Nash and Grant Hill can be had as a combo deal with the midlevel and biannual exceptions, respectively.
The Knicks did one other cute little piece of cap management: They’ve set themselves up for a four-year run with the Melo-Amare-Chandler group, and then they can bust out the TNT and try again. All three players have deals that expire after the 2014–15 season, as will whomever the Knicks pick up with this year’s midlevel and, if he signs a three-year deal, Nash (and yes, I am getting ahead of myself. Thanks for asking.)
Again, it’s the Knicks, so they’re taking every shortcut, overpaying every free agent and ultimately aren’t going to win a ring this way. For goodness sakes, they set $10 million on fire by guaranteeing Billups’ final year and then using the amnesty on him months later. (Again, with feeling: TEN MILLION DOLLARS. Burnt to a crisp. The New York Knicks, everyone!)
But the more you look at this deal with respect to decisions New York has already made, the more sense it makes, and the more you have to tip your cap to Glen Grunwald and Mark Warkentien for thinking outside the box.
Additionally, the fit for New York is impeccable. With two forwards that are somewhere between agnostic and allergic to defense, Chandler can protect the rim for New York and provide some modicum of resistance for what was previously a lineup full of DHs. Stoudemire will also be saved from the banging of playing the center position, which he did much of the time last season. If Chandler (with a little help from Toney Douglas) can just make the Knicks average on defense, the two forwards will take care of the rest.
As for Dallas, this isn’t quite in Florida Marlins territory (when they were still representing more than just Miami), but it has to be a little deflating for the locals to see a defending champion talking about things like “preserving cap flexibility.” It has become very apparent that while the draconian luxury tax penalties that start in 2013–14 may not sway the Knicks much, it’s going to have a big impact on the way Dallas does business. The Mavericks, like the Knicks, threw money at every problem, only they were smarter with how they did it. Now they have to completely change their philosophy.
Chandler was the first domino in that, but there will be others — J.J. Barea is as good as gone, they’ll amnesty Brendan Haywood in a season or two when it becomes more advantageous, and Jason Terry may not be long for this roster either.
But the Mavs aren’t done with this offseason either. Dallas gets an enormous trade exception in the deal (oh, and Andy Rautins, who will be cut on arrival), and can use that to sign-and-trade for another free agent now or in a future trade. Losing Chandler takes the Mavs off the A-list of contenders, but if they can get a halfway decent starting center (Sam Dalembert?), they’ll win a bunch of games again.
As for Dwight Howard, that has no chance of happening unless he becomes a full-fledged free agent after the season. Sorry Mavs fans, you’re not getting the best center in the game for Rudy Fernandez. Try again.
Meanwhile, Washington also scored a nice little coup by getting Ronny Turiaf more or less for free. Turiaf is owed $4.3 million this year, but that pro-rates to $3.46 million over a 66-game season. With New York throwing in the league-maximum $3 million (hey, it’s only money), the Wizards get a useful center for virtually nothing. He doesn’t help with the rebuilding plan much, but Washington should be able to flip him at the trade deadline for a more useful asset.
Nonetheless, the big story here is New York. With a Melo-Amare-Chandler skyline and two exceptions remaining, they’re going to be a force for as long as Stoudemire and Chandler can stay in the lineup. They’re throwing money at their problems again, yes, but this time you have to admire the creativity with which they’ve done so.
hey guys, it’s eddy curry!
https://twitter.com/#!/WindhorstESPN/status/145599121556901888/photo/1
yeah. apparently he lost 70 pounds.
Ethan Skolnick @EthanJSkolnick — Curry says he never gave up hope he would play again. Won’t reveal weight but says he lost 70 pounds.
only a b-cup now!
He looks pretty good! Can’t see how much junk is in the trunk, but doesn’t look bloated for a change.
chauncey irl
guys why are the specifics of this new paul trade being withheld from us, its v unfair
ESPNSteinLine Marc Stein
Source close to process tells ESPN that, as long as Kings have enough cap room, they can sign and trade Dalembert even after renouncing him
15 seconds ago
i dont understand what this means, and other things, nba is driving me insane right now
IT MEANS WE WILL BE TRADING JAMES JONES FOR SAMUEL DALBERT.
or dalembert, or whatever his name is.