Premier's top 20 most-overrated movies

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fastest evap from the culture: Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon

if they had picked Shawshank Redemption the cancelled subscrips woulda sunk em

dr M (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 3 December 2006 21:04 (seventeen years ago) link

problem w/CTHD was it was pretty par for the course as far as wire-fu goes and not that special to those familiar with the genre, and those most passionate about it seemed to be those who were unfamiliar with it. it's a good movie but not awesome (and a cut below those zhang yimou flicks from recent years, too).

deep space nine (deep space nine), Sunday, 3 December 2006 21:30 (seventeen years ago) link

I find it hard to dislike a list that points out how much Forrest Gump fucking sucks, because it, well, fucking sucks. For more or less exactly the reason they said, too.

(They're 100% wrong about a few of those, too: 2001? Wizard of Oz?)

I mean, really, who gives a crap about Forrest Gump?

If anyone thinks there aren't a lot of people out there who rate Forrest Gump, American Beauty, et al...try taking a look at people's favorite movies on, say, Match.com sometime. It's like a Gump/American Beauty/Chocolat lovefest there. And Gump is a permanent part of American popular culture.

And no, I really don't believe the public at large rates many of these movies very highly at all

Not Moonstruck or Jules and Jim, no. But American Beauty, Good Will Hunting, Forrest Gump, A Beautiful Mind, they're like the Four Horsemen of Mediocrity, and they hold sway over a lot of people out there (once you get outside of NYC and DC, anyway).

lurker #2421 (lurker #2421.1), Monday, 4 December 2006 00:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Let me just say the phrase "a lot of people out there" a couple more times. Maybe if I say it again, Chocolat will magically be un-made.

lurker #2421 (lurker #2421.1), Monday, 4 December 2006 00:35 (seventeen years ago) link

Friend of mine coming back from seeing American Beauty: "That was the greatest movie I've ever seen."

lurker #2421 (lurker #2421.1), Monday, 4 December 2006 00:36 (seventeen years ago) link

where's 'gladiator'? people give ridley scott more crap for 'black hawk down' and 'kingdom of heaven', but those movies are actually pretty good. 'gladiator' is just a steaming pile.

deep space nine (deep space nine), Monday, 4 December 2006 00:36 (seventeen years ago) link

otm about gladiator

latebloomer (clonefeed), Monday, 4 December 2006 00:56 (seventeen years ago) link

btw awards for gladiator, beautiful mind, and crash, the oscars are worse than the fucking grammys

max (maxreax), Monday, 4 December 2006 01:27 (seventeen years ago) link

Is it only in my world where Moonstruck seems to be on everyone's top ten lists? Few rank it number one, although I have met some who do, but this exchange is really common:

Person 1: ".....[blah blah blah] Moonstruck...."
Person 2: "Oh, Moonstruck! I love that movie, it's one of my alltime favorites!"

And I don't really remember too much about Moonstruck, so I'm always a little baffled by it, but I accept it's one of those movies that people really love that did nothing for me.

The other movie where this happens a lot: The Big Lebowski.

Casuistry (casuistry), Monday, 4 December 2006 01:47 (seventeen years ago) link

heh. I've been resisting posting to this thread because all I have to say is is, "Oh, Moonstruck! I love that movie." I guess I'm one of a lot of people out there.

horseshoe (horseshoe), Monday, 4 December 2006 06:58 (seventeen years ago) link

It's a weird list, but I do agree with their choices of 2001 and Jules and Jim - though the reason they don't like the latter is completely different from mine. I liked the story in it, but not the way it was made, I guess I'm just not a fan of the New Wave aesthetic. Some of Truffaut's later films are great though. American Beauty and Forrest Gump are mediocre films that were overrated when they initially came out, but not necessarily anymore.

I finally saw Chicago last summer, and was positively surprised, it was actually better than its reviews suggested.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 4 December 2006 07:51 (seventeen years ago) link

Premiere = most overrated movie magazine ... no, not really even that.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Monday, 4 December 2006 07:55 (seventeen years ago) link

I think it basically qualifies as the Chicago of movie magazines.

Allyzay is cool: with Blue n White, with Eli Manning, with NY Giants (Allyzay Ei, Monday, 4 December 2006 16:15 (seventeen years ago) link

I can't believe that there are still people jabbering that random lonely hearts and "real America" (UH) love, love, love these films and that somehow box office popularity is actually a qualifier for being "overrated" (try reading the actual articles that accompany the list, or is that too hard??), btw. NEXT SACRED COW PREMIERE WILL TACKLE NEXT: TITANIC.

Allyzay is cool: with Blue n White, with Eli Manning, with NY Giants (Allyzay Ei, Monday, 4 December 2006 16:17 (seventeen years ago) link

I can't believe that there are still people jabbering that random lonely hearts and "real America" (UH) love, love, love these films

So what's your point -- that it's not true, or just that it's not interesting? If the latter, I can respect that, but if the former, then you're just wrong.

("Random lonely hearts", whatever -- what cross-section would work for you, then?)

and that somehow box office popularity is actually a qualifier for being "overrated"

From what I can tell, the list is a hodgepodge of critical and popular/box-office favorites, no? I mean, it's a mess, but it's certainly not calibrating solely on "box office popularity" (though I'm not sure that you were saying that).

And again, if you're arguing that there aren't a lot of people who rate Forrest Gump, A Beautiful Mind, etc. highly, then you're wrong. If you're arguing that those people are somehow irrelevant, then I might like to know who it is you would consider relevant.

lurker #2421 (lurker #2421.1), Monday, 4 December 2006 17:46 (seventeen years ago) link

The basic question, I guess, is: "Overrated by whom?" And it's a legitimate question to ask, and it's legitimate to restrict your answer to "film critics" if you want.

But if you ask "who gives a crap about Forrest Gump?", then you kinda forfeit the right to wring your hands about it if you get a truthful answer to that question.

lurker #2421 (lurker #2421.1), Monday, 4 December 2006 17:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Your rights have been forfeited, Ally. By you.

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Monday, 4 December 2006 17:56 (seventeen years ago) link

A few Myspace searches; take results with a grain of salt, but:

Results 1 - 10 of about 250,000 for american beauty.
Results 1 - 10 of about 199,000 for shawshank redemption.
Results 1 - 10 of about 197,000 for beautiful mind.
Results 1 - 10 of about 186,000 for pretty woman.
Results 1 - 10 of about 163,000 for clerks.
Results 1 - 10 of about 133,000 for forrest gump.
Results 1 - 10 of about 10,500 for moonstruck.

lurker #2421 (lurker #2421.1), Monday, 4 December 2006 18:05 (seventeen years ago) link

Results 1 - 10 of about 1,472,500 for empire records

deep space nine (deep space nine), Monday, 4 December 2006 18:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Premiere used to be kind of good, didn't it? Like, in the mid-90's? or was I just 14?

horseshoe (horseshoe), Monday, 4 December 2006 18:33 (seventeen years ago) link

at the time of its release, my mom's near pathological love of American Beauty disturbed and saddened me.

Joshua Babcock (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 00:05 (seventeen years ago) link

Never a grain so salty.

Casuistry (casuistry), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 14:49 (seventeen years ago) link


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