The sort-of-new Scottish Football thread pt 2 and a half

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What a dick.

pfunkboy (Kerr), Sunday, 31 December 2006 14:16 (seventeen years ago) link

As I say, I haven't heard it, so have no idea if he was being dickish, making an ill-advised attempt at joking, whatever. I get the impression from others that he was being a bit of a twunt though. Interesting that when Mad Vlad goes off on one it's all "hahaha, he's brilliant and funny and mad and a breath of fresh air" but when Gogs goes off on one, it's all "bawbag, dick" etc.

ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Sunday, 31 December 2006 14:24 (seventeen years ago) link

(not that interesting, mind you, since I've mostly qualified my roffling at Vlad with "I doubt I'd be laughing if it was my team he was fucking with", Aldo is a Hibs fan therefore allowed to laugh at Vlad (and also appears to find WGS' outpourings hilarious too), and I'm pretty sure Onimo and Scotstvo have also said things along the lines of Vlad being funny from a distance when you aren't involved)

ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Sunday, 31 December 2006 14:37 (seventeen years ago) link

I heard it and I think WGS has got a bit of a bad rap from it. The interviewer started off asking about Pressley and Gordon said he'd rather not talk about anything other than the game, but the interviewer went on regardless. Strachan said that he had been on Celtic TV and was all over the Saturday papers, so if anyone was still in the dark about it then maybe they're not really Celtic fans.

Maybe not the best-advised comment he's ever made, but this was after having told the interviewer twice that he wasn't prepared to talk about anything other than the game. It was a total throwaway line that's been blown out of proportion.

Dalzinho (Dalzinho), Sunday, 31 December 2006 16:08 (seventeen years ago) link

It seems you can hear it on the BBC's football podcast.

Dalzinho (Dalzinho), Sunday, 31 December 2006 16:10 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm pretty sure Strachan was just pissed at the way the team ( and by team I mean Paul "brother-in-law" Telfer) had just dropped another 2pts esp. in the 92nd minute. Think the point he was trying to make, albeit badly was that he'd answered the press' questions on Pressley the day before and they'd already been widely reported in the papers and on the various tv stations= no point in repeating yourself.

Sycophancy aside, I'm in no way related to GS (otherwise you'd be seeing me up front against Kilmarnock). Just thought I'd add a different opinion on it.

Still, managing to INCREASE our lead after that display at least managed to shut Shug et al up.

JohnFoxxsJuno (JohnFoxxsJuno), Sunday, 31 December 2006 16:18 (seventeen years ago) link

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/c/celtic/6219351.stm

The interview is linked from here ^^

I stand by "bawbag"

Onimo drank ALL the wine! (nu_onimo), Sunday, 31 December 2006 16:23 (seventeen years ago) link

King Barry is dead, long live King Barry

Dalzinho (Dalzinho), Monday, 1 January 2007 15:55 (seventeen years ago) link

Just heard about that from a Rangers supporting friend of mine.
Everyone's going to take Barry's side over Le Goon.

pfunkboy (Kerr), Monday, 1 January 2007 16:03 (seventeen years ago) link

Everyone? The guy's a wee fanny.

ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Monday, 1 January 2007 16:04 (seventeen years ago) link

(Ferguson, that is)

ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Monday, 1 January 2007 16:06 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, but "he's a Rangers man" .

pfunkboy (Kerr), Monday, 1 January 2007 16:07 (seventeen years ago) link

Come on, Rangers are absolutely rotten, Ferguson's playing pish, why shouldn't Le Guen tell him to get knotted?

ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Monday, 1 January 2007 16:09 (seventeen years ago) link


Methinks PLG has worked out his own exit strategy.

JohnFoxxsJuno (JohnFoxxsJuno), Monday, 1 January 2007 21:36 (seventeen years ago) link

Hehehe, Gavin Rae (!) is the new captain. PLG's really trying to prove a point with his "captaincy doesn't really matter" argument, isn't he?

ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 12:41 (seventeen years ago) link

The point is that he knows it matters to Ferguson. If it doesn't matter to PLG there's no need to change captains other than to publicly rebuke Ferguson.

I'm no fan of Ferguson but this really isn't a million miles away from what happened to Pressley, and most people think he was treated unfairly.

Murray must be wondering whether his club captain and arguably his best player is more valuable to Rangers than a failing faltering manager who puts absolutely no value on captaining Rangers.

Onimo drank ALL the wine! (nu_onimo), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 12:47 (seventeen years ago) link

I think PLG has lost the plot.

pfunkboy (Kerr), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 13:35 (seventeen years ago) link

Murray must be wondering whether his club captain and arguably his best player is more valuable to Rangers than a failing faltering manager who puts absolutely no value on captaining Rangers.

This is it, isn't it? 'Barry Ferguson won't play for Rangers again under the current manager' is what they're saying all over the press, but you get the feeling that perhaps the current manager's the variable factor in that.

Dalzinho (Dalzinho), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 14:07 (seventeen years ago) link

Was just listening to Paul Le Guen on the radio just now and he pretty much said his problem is that Barry Ferguson thinks his (Ferguson's) role is more important than it actually is. It's basically a boss saying "I'm the boss here", which seems fair enough. Ferguson has apparently been critical of decisions, over-ruling team talks and, according to some reports, organised a Christmas night out for the players when Le Guen told him not to.

If Murray decides that holding onto arguably the only player he has that's worth a bit of dosh (though only Ferguson's agent seems to be convinced of this) is more important than holding onto his manager - a view that the Radio Clyde panel seem to hold - then what sort of precedent does that set? One player actually *is* capable of holding the club to ransom? Pressley tried it and got booted (though his more valuable partners-in-crime seem to have got away with it), so why should Ferguson be any different?

I really REALLY wish someone had asked Gavin Rae if he feels he's stabbed Barry Ferguson in the back by accepting the captaincy after contributing bugger all to Rangers.

ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 18:08 (seventeen years ago) link

Who would buy Ferguson though?
Martin O'Neill at villa?

pfunkboy (Kerr), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 23:00 (seventeen years ago) link

As I said already...

arguably the only player he has that's worth a bit of dosh (though only Ferguson's agent seems to be convinced of this)

Ferguson, *if* he goes, will go to a struggling Premiership team or a Championship team with ambitions. He's not a bad player, but he's pretty much found his level, having already scuttled back from the Premiership with his tail between his legs. Someone like a Cardiff or a WBA or a Wolves would take him, I'm sure.

ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 00:26 (seventeen years ago) link

Forgot to mention, not that it needed saying, Steven Pressley was several different kinds of pish. Then got the Man of the Match award. There was actually an audible "pppppfffffffftttttttt" sound from around the stadium, which was kind of nice.

ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 00:34 (seventeen years ago) link

rofl at BBC's choice of pics for the Bazza fiasco

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42407000/jpg/_42407077_leguenferguson203.jpg

Onimo drank ALL the wine! (nu_onimo), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 10:37 (seventeen years ago) link


PLG gone by "mutual agreement" confirmed on Sky. I take it Chairman Murray is picking the side now. Pretty dissapointed with this to be honest, as they'll struggle to get anyone as poor in next time - my money is on Billy Davies or Torn-faced Jeffries.

JohnFoxxsJuno (JohnFoxxsJuno), Thursday, 4 January 2007 14:52 (seventeen years ago) link

We've got a thread back on real ILX about it. Come back to the real world and join us!

http://ilx.wh3rd.net/thread.php?msgid=7488118#unread

ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Thursday, 4 January 2007 15:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Who needs the real world!

pfunkboy (Kerr), Thursday, 4 January 2007 21:05 (seventeen years ago) link

one month passes...
Dougie McDonald is the worst referee ever, and I speak as someone who has seen Craig Thomson and Alan Freeland and Stuart Dougal in action this season, and remembers the glory days of David Syme, Les Mottram, Willie Young et al.

Also, I heart Lee Naylor. I want that on record here too.

ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Sunday, 11 February 2007 23:46 (seventeen years ago) link

Aye I spent the game going "that wasn't a foul" "that was never a penalty" "that was never off side" "that wasn't a penalty either" "handball!" etc until I realised it would be easier to point out the decisions he got right.

onimo (nu_onimo), Monday, 12 February 2007 12:58 (seventeen years ago) link

Did you find any?

ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Monday, 12 February 2007 13:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Aye, Killie penalty, that they missed.

onimo (nu_onimo), Monday, 12 February 2007 13:01 (seventeen years ago) link

Aye, taken when their penalty-taker was off getting treatment :-/

ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Monday, 12 February 2007 13:04 (seventeen years ago) link

He couldn't come back on, it's teh roolz

onimo (nu_onimo), Monday, 12 February 2007 13:06 (seventeen years ago) link

Ref in "I got it wrong" shockah!:

http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/whistleblower.cfm?curpageid=791

Ach well, these things even themselves out over the season (c)Derek Johnstone.

JohnFoxxsJuno (JohnFoxxsJuno), Monday, 12 February 2007 15:42 (seventeen years ago) link

It's all about opinions (c) That cunt that presents Super Scoreboard, 16 times every Satursday.

onimo (nu_onimo), Monday, 12 February 2007 15:47 (seventeen years ago) link

Make up your own "Number of the Beast" jokes.

ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Monday, 12 February 2007 17:41 (seventeen years ago) link

and he's off again :)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/scot_prem/6364051.stm

Hearts majority shareholder Vladimir Romanov has accused the Old Firm of Rangers and Celtic of "buying off" referees and players in Scotland.

"They buy off players and referees," Romanov told Russian magazine Futbol.

onimo (nu_onimo), Thursday, 15 February 2007 09:57 (seventeen years ago) link

Only what every non old firm supporter has been saying for years!!

(Haha I hope they come down a ton on mad vlad this time, I'm sure there might be a few legal actions being taken too)
To be honest I've been waiting for him to make this sort of comment.

Next he will be hiring private detectives to see if referees are in the Orange Lodge or Knights Of St Columba...

pfunkboy (Kerr), Thursday, 15 February 2007 13:59 (seventeen years ago) link

haha now he's claiming things "were lost in translation"

pfunkboy (Kerr), Thursday, 15 February 2007 18:17 (seventeen years ago) link

My favourite bit = And he added of the Old Firm: "They have turned football into a type of showbusiness with their underhand games."

Whereas its obvious to everyone (including any lawyers watching, naturally) that everything to do with Hearts, Kaunas, and their respective dealings with Mr Romanov's bank are all entirely above board and not even remotely underhand.

I'm sure there might be a few legal actions being taken too

Given that both Martin Bain and Brian Quinn mention the possibility in that article Onimo linked to, I'd say there might be as well.

Did he say this before or after Rangers' marvellous and well-deserved victory against Kilmarnock at the weekend(it doesn't say in the article when he made the comments)?

ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Thursday, 15 February 2007 18:25 (seventeen years ago) link

That's the 1st time I've tuned into Scotland Today for ages, just to see what they were saying about Vlad.

So what's the chances of Hearts disappearing down the dumper in a year or two when Mad Vlad gets bored and turns Tynecastle into a supermarket?

pfunkboy (Kerr), Thursday, 15 February 2007 18:29 (seventeen years ago) link

Haha, Scotland Today has the worst football punditry ever (apart from that over-theatrical blonde woman on BBC Scotland who really needs to stop shaking her head to emphasise that she may be a woman, she may be blonde, but she does know what she's talking about, honest).

Vlad is not only owner of Hearts but is also, with a different hat on, their banker. His bank gets the interest on Hearts' debt, basically, as I understand it. You can extrapolate from that as you will. No Hearts at all isn't going to do him any favours in any way, put it that way.

ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Thursday, 15 February 2007 18:40 (seventeen years ago) link

True

pfunkboy (Kerr), Thursday, 15 February 2007 18:44 (seventeen years ago) link

Cor, Freddie Dindeleux is playing against Newcastle in the UEFA Cup on Channel 5 just now. I like it when random ex SPLers turn up in unexpected places.

ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Thursday, 15 February 2007 20:01 (seventeen years ago) link

Haha, I jinxed him by reminding him of his past :-/

ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Thursday, 15 February 2007 21:46 (seventeen years ago) link

I had Freddie in my SPL Fantasy Football team for a season despite him playing in Belgium :-/

When and if Vlad leaves Hearts it will likely destroy them. When he took over they owed ~£19M to a Scottish bank. Now their wage bill has doubled (to 100% of turnover!) and they owe £28M to, um, Vlad. If the protests gather momentum he can decide to sell up because the fans forced him out - someone else will thn need to pay Vlad a mint plus take on a huge debt, to Vlad. If no-one buys them he can decide to sell the assets to pay his dbt to himself, or something. He can't really lose out of it unless his bank goes tits up.

onimo (nu_onimo), Thursday, 15 February 2007 21:51 (seventeen years ago) link

What a banker!

pfunkboy (Kerr), Thursday, 15 February 2007 21:54 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, but his assets by that stage = Tynecastle and some Lithuanians. Sell Tynecastle to A N Other Property Developer, sell Lithuanians back to, erm, Kaunas (though aren't something like a dozen of them Kaunas' players anyway?). New owners of whatever's left (er, Dave B probably to thread at this point, I think) can then surely transfer what's left of the debt to whichever bank they want, and I imagine someone will be willing to service the mucho-reduced debt given the state of other clubs who get by in Scotland. Hearts are still too bankable a proposition to go completely tits up. They'll be worse off, yes, but I think it should be salvageable.

ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Thursday, 15 February 2007 22:00 (seventeen years ago) link

(plz to note I am not an economist or financial adviser of any sort)

ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Thursday, 15 February 2007 22:05 (seventeen years ago) link

I love this man

Vladimir Romanov

Majority shareholder Vladimir Romanov tonight issued the following statement:

It's a pity that papers are not able to get an interview from me direct.

Thank God I haven't come across any corruption in Scotland.

I don't expect anything except lies and distortion of my quotes. I want to say that I'm surprised with many things, like, for example, the situation when betrayal is portrayed as an act of heroism.

To my mind, there are no values in this life that are worth betrayal, even if we're talking about hooped shirts. If kids are being pushed towards betrayal, I call it seduction - but seduction of their souls.

Let's see where it led in Webster's case: he hung around in different clubs and didn't play for the Scottish national team for a whole year.

Other players who fell under this pressure showed miserable results while playing for the national team despite all the chances it had to win.

Edinburgh is an amazing city. I'm so impressed with the genius of those who created it. It fascinates and captivates you immediately.

Its beauty was created during the times of the kings of old, and now I see how everything that people were gathering for centuries - a culture, all Walter Scott's heritage, is being ruled and destroyed by monkeys from the safari park.

http://i18.tinypic.com/436kepk.jpg

onimo (nu_onimo), Friday, 16 February 2007 11:54 (seventeen years ago) link

More mentalism from an interview ailsa sent me:

Q You've been in control at Hearts for two years now. What conclusions have you been able to draw during that time?

A That you can't trust anyone. You know, it's just like a scene out of an old movie: We're at war with the Germans. The unit is asleep. A soldier sees a white flag being waved in the distance but his commanding officer is sleeping. So he goes up to the priest and says, 'Father, there's a white flag over there'. The priest replies, 'The enemy is sly and cunning. Shoot them'. And that's how it is.

onimo (nu_onimo), Friday, 16 February 2007 11:58 (seventeen years ago) link


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