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I have NO IDEA what women see in me. (They usually don't, but that might just be my inner cynic talking). I think I'm more likely to be hot than cute, since tall-ish people like me are NEVER cute.

Johnney B has zeros off the line (stigoftdumpilx), Thursday, 7 December 2006 14:57 (seventeen years ago) link

So cute things, like baby animals and people who are charming/appealing/non-threatening/etc -- my mental shorthand for them is "snowglobe", meaning I want to have them around to enjoy their appealing qualities, and the pinnacle of that wd be to keep them in snowglobes on my dresser and shake 'em up whenver I want a laugh/coo. There are definitely strains of my own convenience and of ownership or...possession, and perhaps for some people also a little exclusivity too, ie, that no one else can partake of their cuteness?

I'm thinking that for me there's no sexual component, I don't want to get off with the cute object, I just want to take it in, make it mine forever (cf also, "I could eat that kitten's head in ONE BITE" -- didn't someone write that eating something is the ultimate loving destruction? I forget). But then one of the wise ladies of a certain age said on another thread that she feels the key to her feminine sexuality is the knack of enticing things to cross her threshold willingly, rather than a desire to invade them so maybe there's a male/female divide here.

Discus.

Laurel (Laurel), Thursday, 7 December 2006 15:12 (seventeen years ago) link

cutness rules f u guyz

jhoshea (jhoshea), Thursday, 7 December 2006 15:14 (seventeen years ago) link

But then one of the wise ladies of a certain age said on another thread that she feels the key to her feminine sexuality is the knack of enticing things to cross her threshold willingly, rather than a desire to invade them so maybe there's a male/female divide here.

Is this where I've been going wrong?

No, this seems like such a narrow view of feminine sexuality. but maybe that's what you're getting at - that this is the *cute* stereotype, as opposed to the hott one.

masonic boom (kate), Thursday, 7 December 2006 15:15 (seventeen years ago) link

Please note that I said "her feminine sexuality", not "hers, yours, and everyone's, forever and ever amen." Didn't mean anything else by it.

Laurel (Laurel), Thursday, 7 December 2006 15:18 (seventeen years ago) link

Ha, Kingfish -- I've been annoying my girlfriend lately by talking about how hot Jenna Fischer is -- I don't think she's ever actually seen The Office, though. I'm realizing now that part of the reason I used the word "hot" (besides the jokey annoyance factor) because a) she's cute, and b) she's on TV -- which has the effect of translating her cuteness into something else. When my girlfriend finds women on TV attractive (like Penelope Cruz, or the actress who plays Marta on Arrested Development, or Alexis Bledel) she says they're "beautiful."

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 7 December 2006 16:52 (seventeen years ago) link

*...annoyance factor) is because...

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 7 December 2006 16:53 (seventeen years ago) link

In our house, we use the word 'gorgeous'. I have observed that people sometimes shorten this to 'gorge', and this is very wrong.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Thursday, 7 December 2006 16:55 (seventeen years ago) link

she's on TV -- which has the effect of translating her cuteness into something else.

She's on tv therefore she must be attractive/her attractiveness has been tacitly approved therefore I find her (random appealing but nonsexual qualities) attractive? That doesn't necessarily seem like you, John, but it's the only chain of reasoning that comes to mind.

Laurel (Laurel), Thursday, 7 December 2006 16:58 (seventeen years ago) link

More like: She's on TV therefore she must be attractive/her attractiveness has been tacitly approved therefore I find her (personally appealing sexual qualities) smoothed out somehow.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 7 December 2006 17:01 (seventeen years ago) link

Alexis Bledel looks like an alien baby, not beautiful.

i was searching for pictures of Iraq carnage and stumbled upon the cutest lil' soldier you ever did see. awww, she couldn't hurt nobody. i'll bet bubble gum comes out of her rifle:
Have you seen the "OMG HOT ISRAELI SOLDIERESS" blogs?

milo (milo), Thursday, 7 December 2006 17:02 (seventeen years ago) link

In our house, we use the word 'gorgeous'. I have observed that people sometimes shorten this to 'gorge', and this is very wrong.

No you are very wrong! George-ous is also acceptable.

I am neither cute nor hott I am more: I am kv_nol, hear me roar!

kv_nol (kv_nol), Thursday, 7 December 2006 17:16 (seventeen years ago) link

i don't think that her being on TV makes her more attractive(she'd have to be in a band for automatic-attractive-increasing), but they do play up the adorable factor, if you will.

http://myspace-901.vo.llnwd.net/01424/10/95/1424025901_l.jpg

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e356/SLiTHERGrant/Halloween.jpg

(runs her own myspace, she does)

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Thursday, 7 December 2006 17:30 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't think being on TV makes her more attractive. I think it makes her more "Hot."

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 7 December 2006 17:31 (seventeen years ago) link

okay, i agree with that. we need more of a branding, tho. "Hot"(TM)(R) or something.

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Thursday, 7 December 2006 17:33 (seventeen years ago) link

the funny thing is the joke abt that character is being the only attractivish female in the office is what makes her hot (if i'm thinking of the right person, i've only seen the english one - the receptionist, right?)

jhoshea (jhoshea), Thursday, 7 December 2006 17:36 (seventeen years ago) link

oh hey look a picture that says receptionist ok

jhoshea (jhoshea), Thursday, 7 December 2006 17:36 (seventeen years ago) link

The person we're talking about is the receptionist on the US version.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 7 December 2006 17:37 (seventeen years ago) link

I wish you would detail why her being on tv makes her hotter to you, J. Because TEH SYSTEM has declared that she's hot by virtue of casting her? Because as a result of that, she's famous? Because being a) declared hot and b) famous makes her more widely desired and therefore a greater prize?

Laurel (Laurel), Thursday, 7 December 2006 17:37 (seventeen years ago) link

well most people on tv are pretty hot in real life, only appearing normal when judged by tv hotness standards - so maybe she's just actually hot.

jhoshea (jhoshea), Thursday, 7 December 2006 17:40 (seventeen years ago) link

Hello, not the point. He said her being on tv MADE HER HOTTER. And he usually says exactly what he means.

Laurel (Laurel), Thursday, 7 December 2006 17:41 (seventeen years ago) link

I think you're misunderstanding me. I find her just as attractive as I would if she wasn't on TV. But her being on TV imbues her with a quality that allows me to use the word "hot" instead of "cute" -- it makes her attractiveness more universal and broadly acceptable somehow.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 7 December 2006 17:44 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, it's the "somehow" that I'm interested in.

Laurel (Laurel), Thursday, 7 December 2006 17:47 (seventeen years ago) link

That's what I was getting at with the branding/trade-marking. Being on the TV added more "Hot"(TM), "Hot"(TM) in this case being some marketable quality divorced from any actual attractiveness.

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Thursday, 7 December 2006 17:48 (seventeen years ago) link

no it could actually be the point - see, judging her hotness by tv standards, but then perceiving her actually real life hotness subconsciously; could produce a sensation, similar to deja vu, where in one believe her hotness to have been amplified by the tv.

jhoshea (jhoshea), Thursday, 7 December 2006 17:50 (seventeen years ago) link

When applied to a person's physical appearance, "hot" has a mildly objective connotation to me. There are people that are "hot" that we don't even have to argue about whether they're *really* hot or not -- that's just part of who they are. So Jenna Fischer, because she's a celebrity, acquires this descriptor more readily than if she worked at a bagel shop and I secretly thought she was "cute."

I do, however, use "hot," when not referring to a specific person, to mean "sexy" or "something I find personally attractive" -- as in "nipple rings are hot" or "submission is hot" (please not to read too much into these examples!!).

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 7 December 2006 17:50 (seventeen years ago) link

too late

jhoshea (jhoshea), Thursday, 7 December 2006 17:52 (seventeen years ago) link

How do you fellows & guys feel about being called "pretty"?

Abbott (Abbott), Thursday, 7 December 2006 18:29 (seventeen years ago) link

Nipple piercings and submission? Whatever happened to tube tops and stiletto heels?? Clearly I have been going about this all wrong.

Laurel (Laurel), Thursday, 7 December 2006 18:36 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.ne.jp/asahi/target/earth/7inch_36/rodney.gif

Abbott (Abbott), Thursday, 7 December 2006 18:38 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm fine with it, Abbott. A little surprised or embarrassed perhaps, but ultimately fine.

sede vacante (blueski), Thursday, 7 December 2006 18:39 (seventeen years ago) link

I guess it depends who be saying it.

sede vacante (blueski), Thursday, 7 December 2006 18:39 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't like heels or red lipstick.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 7 December 2006 18:43 (seventeen years ago) link

I know, but you just said we shouldn't take the nips or SM as representative either, so you could have used anything. ANYTHING AT ALL!

Laurel (Laurel), Thursday, 7 December 2006 18:44 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, it's the "somehow" that I'm interested in.
Distance? Perhaps it's easier to sexualize (original version: 'picture naked and sweaty') the cute girl you'll never meet as opposed to the librarian you could realistically date?

How do you fellows & guys feel about being called "pretty"?
I have never been called pretty (because I'm not - I should improve my skin moisturizing regime).

Possible breakdown:
Cute coming from girl about guy: death-knell of potential sex.
Cute coming from guy about girl: I'd totally hit it.
Pretty from girl about guy: sure he's not gay?
Pretty coming from guy about girl: she's OK, but I wouldn't really hit it.
Hot from girl about guy: I'd hit it
Hot from guy about girl: I'd hit it AND/OR I have no chance of hitting it

milo (milo), Thursday, 7 December 2006 18:45 (seventeen years ago) link

ENGL 523 - "The Semiotics of Cute" - 4 credits - MWF 8:30-10:00 - MLB 231

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Thursday, 7 December 2006 18:50 (seventeen years ago) link

the actress who plays Marta on Arrested Development

the FIRST one was TOTALLY hot, the second one, not so much. fwiw.

max (maxreax), Thursday, 7 December 2006 18:58 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm only on Season 1! You have confuddled me.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 7 December 2006 18:59 (seventeen years ago) link

sometimes girls use cute when wanting to hit it - omg he's rilly ca-yoote!

jhoshea (jhoshea), Thursday, 7 December 2006 19:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, milo, I agree with everything except girls using cute about guys, which sometimes seems *more* like "I'd hit it" than when guys use cute about girls -- that is, I don't think girls make much of a distinction between "cute" and "hot," whereas guys sometimes use "cute" as an inferior term.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 7 December 2006 19:05 (seventeen years ago) link

ENGL 523 - "The Semiotics of Cute" - 4 credits - MWF 8:30-10:00 - MLB 231

I would totally get up at 8 AM to take this class.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 7 December 2006 19:08 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm only on Season 1! You have confuddled me.
-- jaymc (jmcunnin...), December 7th, 2006.

Two different actresses played the same character, I believe.

Mr. Que (Party with me Punker), Thursday, 7 December 2006 19:12 (seventeen years ago) link

more male cuteness vs hotness discussion please . . .

cute but not hot : Tab Hunter
hot but not cute : Daniel Craig

I suspect that for gay men it's an age thing, but it's also a self-consciousness thing. Cute people tend to radiate a kind of innocence, an "aw shucks" ignorance, whereas hot people tend to have a look in their eye that says "I know what I want". So . . . can we come up with examples of the elusive male who is both hot and cute? the only example i can think of off the top of my head is Joe Dallesandro circa the Paul Morrissey films like Heat and Trash. He's totally young enough to rock "cute", but because he's a hustler who has seen it all he's also fully self-conscious about his hotness, i.e. he knows the effect he has on others and manipulates them accordingly. Hotness in men has something to do with being able to size up situations and take control of them (hustlers need that skill).

Dr. Drew Daniel, PhD (Drew Daniel), Thursday, 7 December 2006 19:19 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't think girls make much of a distinction between "cute" and "hot," whereas guys sometimes use "cute" as an inferior term.

I don't know, I've heard plenty of girls call guys "cute" in that slightly derogatory/demeaning way, especially with regard to short/non-threatening guys. "Oh, he's so cute!"

In my own lexicon, "cute" is a nice middle ground between hot/sexy and beautiful/pretty. It means "there's something about her that I find compelling". And maybe it implies an acknowledgement that the person might not be mainstream-attractive, that there's something offbeat about their looks, but that it works for me. (Maybe even: that I can imagine this person and me as a couple, that we'd make sense together, visually speaking.)

"Pretty" and "beautiful" are more remote and feel more "objective" (to use Jaymc's word), like it's relative to conventional/mainstream standards of beauty. "Beautiful" especially implies some kind of sublime experience to me, like the perfection or visual rightness of this person is amazing and moving to you. "Attractive" is a little generic and usually doesn't imply much investment. "Hot" means that looking at the person makes me actively and viscerally want them sexually.

A person can of course be all of these things at different times, and in different worlds (the public world vs. the private world you share with them).

xpost For me there's def. an association between "cute" and young/youthfulness. I suspect for most people that's true, really.

lurker #2421 (lurker #2421.1), Thursday, 7 December 2006 19:26 (seventeen years ago) link

Cute - Veronica Mars
Hot - Mary-Louise Parker
Pretty - I can't really think of a celebrity that would be called pretty rather than one of the other adjectives
Beautiful - Nicole Kidman
Sexy - the evil blond ADA from that crappy James Woods legal show

milo (milo), Thursday, 7 December 2006 19:46 (seventeen years ago) link

but lots of men are cute and hot.

horseshoe (horseshoe), Thursday, 7 December 2006 19:56 (seventeen years ago) link

Lord of the Rings is a decent enough litmus test, I guess. YMMV.

cute and handsome but not hot: Elijah Wood
hot and handsome but not cute: Viggo Mortensen
cute and hot but not handsome: Dominic Monaghan
handsome but not hot or cute: David Wenham
hot but not handsome or cute: Sean Bean
cute but not hot or handsome: Sean Astin
cute, handsome, AND hot: Ornaldo Bloomps

lurker #2421 (lurker #2421.1), Thursday, 7 December 2006 20:01 (seventeen years ago) link

re pretty: Natalie Portman

Allyzay is cool: with Blue n White, with Eli Manning, with NY Giants (Allyzay Ei, Thursday, 7 December 2006 20:02 (seventeen years ago) link

Ornaldo Bloomps is the definition of pretty.

horseshoe (horseshoe), Thursday, 7 December 2006 20:04 (seventeen years ago) link

Yep, he's a pretty boy incarnate.

lurker #2421 (lurker #2421.1), Thursday, 7 December 2006 20:06 (seventeen years ago) link


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