Magazine/website/record store BEST OF 2011 end-of-year list pile-up

but really i have no clue and am an idiot

good point

j/k but no really i feel you. i've been thinking lately about how i don't really trust anyone who isn't enthusiastic about at least some things that are deeply uncool or in 'bad taste.' and like when people taunt me about listening to Limp Bizkit or "Moves Like Jagger" or something all i think is isn't it kind of obvious i'm not really worried about whether people think i have 'bad taste'?

if your gut has never lead you to some places you're not 100% comfortable going then you're probably not actually listening to it

Trying to explain ambiguity or vulgarity to an audience is half the battle of a critic imo.

totally

i mean i will happily needle whoever for listening to drake but it's not because i'm aghast that anyone likes such a gauche pop rapper, if anything my problem with him is that his music is so disgustingly tasteful and timely

as a guy known for defending purportedly risible crap I can imagine being persuaded by a cogent analysis of Drake, but I've yet to read one that didn't inadvertently paraphrase his press releases (e.g. the buzzwords "introspective," "tortured," "speaking his mind," etc).

haha dismissing stuff as tasteful is even worse imo

i don't think bourdieu or our revisionist&idealized poptimist project thought you cld have asocial criticism shorn of those biases. it should instead be the aim to bring those values to the fore and mb have ppl engage w/ the contingent foundation their taste is built on.

i think you can make big BLEUGH partisan dismissals w/out being dishonest, blind or self-deceiving about the nature of yr own taste/personal lamp brand

sure but i dont know how 'worthwhile' it is? dishonest also isnt really the same as lazy i guess

im probably being foolish simply becaue i really like thinking abt taste and self-image and social position and how they map onto preferences in music and how they help give form and nuance to pop music and its nice if other ppl are doing the same rather than just lol u have shitty taste or w/e

ugh this is all really popmpus and stupid probably but like i do think drake projects a kind of... connoisseurship in his rapping that feels p upper middle-class but that also seems to reflect/intersect with the very this season production work on 'take care' which in turn is kindof alienating to me or maybe just of a piece w/his narcissism

i dunno man, i listen to music instead of thinking about self-image and social position (xp)

but otm about drake. kind of ties into how i always felt like he just kind of stepped out of the vapor of 2008/2009 when the 2 biggest rappers were kanye and lil wayne as like this mathematically calibrated halfway point between them, and for all the ways he doesn't fit the profile of a rap star in and 'interesting' way he's also just kind of a slavish sycophant to other rappers and his audience in general.

sure but i dont know how 'worthwhile' it is? dishonest also isnt really the same as lazy i guess

this is the nub of it, right?

Like, the problem with disliking something because it's bad taste isn't that it's wrong but that as a criticism it doesn't really tell you anything about the actual relationship b/w the speaker and the music (other than in a bourdieu distinction sense). It's a boring statement, whereas the answer to "what do you mean when you say something is bad taste?" often can be quite interesting. It's really a "use other words please" issue rather than a "yr critical model is flawed" issue IMO.

To my mind the main relationship b/w bourdieu and pop(tim)ism is the idea that r'ships between social groups and pieces or types of music are there to be interrogated rather than generalised in order to bolster yr opinion.

Needless to say not everyone who likes chart-pop necessarily abides by that injunction.

haha someone around here (hurting, i think) told me recently that for someone with such good taste, i have really questionable taste. i took this as a huge compliment.

i <3 "tasteful" music

i don't think i've ever subscribed to a dogma of poptimism, or of anything. you make your taste up as you go along really.

it is interesting to see what artists are kneejerk acceptable/unacceptable in various social circles though, and i'd agree with shipz that if everything you like conforms to "acceptability" in whatever your social circles are, and you are an adult, you are maybe doing it a bit wrong

infinite state machine's top 50

http://infinitestatemachine.com/2011/12/22/pipecocks-top-tracks-of-2011/

if everything you like conforms to "acceptability" in whatever your social circles are, and you are an adult, you are maybe doing it a bit wrong

― degas-dirty monet (lex pretend), Friday, December 30, 2011

Social circles defn of acceptibility often isn't static but gradually morphs tho? That group-shift is pretty interesting, I often don't notice it happening then suddenly realize

In the last few years I've felt my own taste move (in relative position) from being kind of one the outside of the social circle (too dry) to being central/integral to the social circle to outside again but in a different way (but this time not dry enough)

but then,

The social circle gradually changed
the taste of the people in both the newer and older sections of the social circle also changed during that time
I gradually changed also

What is tasteful today is tacky tomorrow and viceversa

on ism

Love
NCW
Tang
Fred P

Like
Teengirl Fantasy
Storm Queen
Oktored(!)
Specter
Disco Nihilist
Shake
Juju & Jordash

dont know the rest!

Actually just realized the Teengirl Fantasy is the beautiful swimmers mix not the john talabot. talabots is pretty good, but the beautiful swimmers one is definitely the go to mix on that

Reading the blurbs on that ISM countdown makes me think I should listen through the whole list. The only ones I know are Escort, Floating Points, Ital and Anthony Shakir/BBC and they're all superb.

Is there a Firefox plugin or somewhat that extracts Youtube links from a webpage and turns them into a playlist? There should be.

not the same but http://www.youtubereloaded.com does it via manual pasting of URLs

My copy of the NCW 12

arrived today, only knew of this because of ISM, great stuff

To my mind the main relationship b/w bourdieu and pop(tim)ism is the idea that r'ships between social groups and pieces or types of music are there to be interrogated rather than generalised in order to bolster yr opinion.

r'ships may have been my father's nickname in grade school

lamp otm itt

Terrorizer top 40 albums list cos I was asked nicely

1 Mastodon - The Hunter
2 Autopsy- Macabre Eternal
3 Trap Them - Darker Handicraft
4 Devin Townsend - Ghost / Deconstruction
5 Amebix - Sonic Mass
6 Altar of Plagues - Mammal
7 Wolves in the Throne Room - Celestial Lineage
8 Blood Ceremony - Living With the Ancients
9 Necros Christos - Doom of the Occult
10 In Solitude - The World. The Flesh. The Devil
11 Today Is The Day - Pain Is A Warning
12 Primordial - Redemption at the Puritan's Hand
13 40 Watt Sun - The Inside Room
14 The Devil's Blood - The Thousandfold Epicentre
15 Solstafir - Svartir Sandar
16 Fucked Up - David Comes To Life
17 Tombs - Path of Totality
18 Machine Head - Unto the Locust
19 Negative Plane - Stained Glass Revelations
20 Vallenfyre - A Fragile King
21 Ancient Vvisdom - A Godlike Inferno
22 Opeth - Heritage
23 Craft - Void
24 Sonne Adam - Transformation
25 Brutal Truth - End Time
26 Disma - Towards The Megalith
27 Leviathan - True Traitor, True Whore
28 Yob - Atma
29 All Pigs Must Die - God is War
30 Cave In - White Silence
31 Steven Wilson - Grace For Drowning
32 Will Haven - Voir Dire
33 Decapitated - Carnival is Forever
34 Obscura - Omnivium
35 Rwake - Rest
36 Morbus Chron - Sleepers in the Rift
37 Maim - Deceased To Exist
38 Absu - Abzu
39 Esoteric - Paragon of Dissonance
40 Shining - VII: Fodd Forlorare

not a bad list imo, plenty of stuff I don't care about but it doesn't seem manipulated or focusgrouped in whatever way

Thanks!!

Surprised Mastodon won yet I couldn't see else in the list who would win. Yet again Uncle Acid have been ignored. Maybe next years lists will see them mentioned once its out in the USA.

wasn't the Uncle Acid an edition of a couple of hundred? Not surprising that lots of people overlooked it.

apparently ppl download stuff nowadays or so I'm told

I've still not heard it cos I was so IA at the eBay disposable income prickery / standard Rise Above dick moves

seems like something I'd dig tho

it is

popjustice readers have spoken

beyonce's 4 was the 3rd worst album of 2011.

http://www.popjustice.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5928&Itemid=9

I thought the YOB album would be higher in the Terrorizer poll actually. Pleased to see Today Is The Day in high.

they hate party rock anthem? fuck them

My top 100 of 2011, yalllll

http://bit.ly/whogivesashiiiiit

pistol annies! :)

i would never ever have thought you were into nicolas jaar

haha why not!

too tasteful, too pretty maybe? idk

still think he's maybe one of the artists i've discovered in the past 14 months who's most blown me away but if i was to put together a list of reasons/tracks why, the album would not constitute many of them.

Pistol Annies album is so tuff.

Glad to see Seun Kuti sneak on on there. I've been listening to the Matana Roberts this week, and it's definitely fascinating, though parts are also excruciating.

Lex OTM wrt the Jaar album.

Whiney, Bob Boilen from NPR radio/website All songs Considered site, and the afropop.org site all chose the nice understated kora and cello duet album Ballaké Sissoko & Vincent Segal - Chamber Music (Mali and France) - (on Six Degrees)

It's growing on me but I went elsewhere with my African music choices

Orchestre Poly- Rythmo-Cotonou Club (Strut)

Jon Pareles at the NY Times also went with this one

That should be Orchestre PolyRythmo

If they had gone with the full TuneYards style lettering they could have made more lists

POX nico jaar:

wouh
a time for us
marks
the bees - winter rose (nicolas jaar remix)
ellen allien - flashy flashy (nicolas jaar remix)
space is only noise if you can see
love you gotta lose again
russian dolls
el bandido
no regular play - owe me (nicolas jaar remix)

If they had gone with the full TuneYards style lettering they could have made more lists

maybe every artist should do this for lols?

pIsToL aNnIeS - h e l l o n h e e l s

tIm HeCkEr - r a v e d e a t h , 1 9 7 2

etc.

It took two hours to compose that post didn't it

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