hey, remember that guy that found that velvet underground acetate for 75 cents...

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I'm wondering if the sellers should donate some of the money to charity. I'm also hoping we get some kind of psuedo-justification from the winner on why someone would spend six figures for a single piece of vinyl. Also, plz link to the youtube video of the winner calling his parents/spouse to tell them what he/she just won.

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Monday, 4 December 2006 01:05 (seventeen years ago) link

i find it strange that the andy warhol museum in pittsburgh didn't buy it, they have a lot of vu stuff. unfortunately most of it is not available to the public at all.

Tyrone Slothrop (Tyrone Slothrop), Monday, 4 December 2006 01:12 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm wondering if the sellers should donate some of the money to charity.

What makes this money any different?

jw (ex machina), Monday, 4 December 2006 01:26 (seventeen years ago) link

MTS, please get off the VU's dick and tell us what good a "cultural institution" would do by preserving said recording? What fucking educational purposes does this recording serve more than any of the other numerous VU recordings or recordings by any other artist? Don't you think that spending $10k on some assistant professor to study oh.... say mp3 mashup culture, rave keyboard or grime... be a better use of resources than more ass-kissing of your precious indie-canon bands?

Dude, what kind of argument is this? Oh wait, it's not -- it's just you attacking me for the hell of it.

Do you want music to be researchable or not? 'Cause if you don't, there's no sense in universities spending the money on research about grime, mashups, rave or anything else. I never said that VU's recordings were any more or less important -- those are your implications/hangups. I think it would be great if artifacts from those genres/etc were preserved similarly.

where are you taking us on this godforsaken cruise? (theoreticalgirl), Monday, 4 December 2006 01:31 (seventeen years ago) link

Do you want music to be researchable or not?

what i meant was: if you wanted any music available for academic / scholarly use. unfortunately, i was interrupted by a phone call.

where are you taking us on this godforsaken cruise? (theoreticalgirl), Monday, 4 December 2006 01:36 (seventeen years ago) link

It doesn't make it any different Jon, I'd just feel guilty I were the seller.

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Monday, 4 December 2006 04:36 (seventeen years ago) link

Don't you think that spending $10k on some assistant professor to study oh.... say mp3 mashup culture, rave keyboard or grime... be a better use of resources than more ass-kissing of your precious indie-canon bands?

if my university spent $10k on studying mp3 fucking mashup culture i would demand my tuition back. what the hell is wrong with you?

hm (modestmickey), Monday, 4 December 2006 05:14 (seventeen years ago) link

not that any university should spend $10k on a "precious indie-canon band" either.

hm (modestmickey), Monday, 4 December 2006 05:17 (seventeen years ago) link

why should you feel guilty about selling a record to someone? how is that different from selling someone an MRI machine or a yacht?

good thing you're not a yacht salesman. the guilt would be terrible :-/

also, wtf: What weirds me out is that instead of getting this record, the winner could finance someone going through a college, masters, and PhD program.

have you even been to college before??

grbchv! (gbx), Monday, 4 December 2006 05:55 (seventeen years ago) link

otm on both points

forksclovetofu (forksclovetofu), Monday, 4 December 2006 06:41 (seventeen years ago) link

US $105,600.74

US $105,600 and 75 cents was too much, was it?


So when is this going to stop? It can't be for real anymore, right?

StanM (StanM), Monday, 4 December 2006 07:43 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost: double agreed, thanks for saying that stuff, gorbachev -- i really do not get the rancor this sale has produced at all.

legislating what other people 'should' do with stuff they are lucky enough to find, and to know what it is when they do, seems a tad crazy to me, and reeks to me of jealousy/ sour grapes.

sound quality issues aside, it's not like you can't hear these version if you want to, on the japanese bootleg.

Mike McGonigal (yetimike), Monday, 4 December 2006 08:02 (seventeen years ago) link

c'mon, let a hater hate!

GAWD PVNCH (yournullfame), Monday, 4 December 2006 08:27 (seventeen years ago) link

They are cancelling bids from people who have low feedback scores, apparently (scroll down) : http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=300054910309

So... this is really happening? I still think it's some kind of board invasion thing, but I haven't found the originating forum yet. (googling a couple of bidder names did lead to a forum the last time something big like this went down, but now, not yet)

StanM (StanM), Monday, 4 December 2006 12:24 (seventeen years ago) link

I would have thought that having to give credit card details might be something of a detterent, though?

toby (tsg20), Monday, 4 December 2006 12:32 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.gigwise.com/news.asp?contentid=25547

"the only one of its kind"

What's the story of that Japanese bootleg, by the way? I know there's a leaked recording out there, with lots of hiss and vinyl crackles, so is that from another copy of this "one of its kind" album?

StanM (StanM), Monday, 4 December 2006 12:36 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, me too, but still, none of the high bidders look like the kind of people you'd expect. No rarealbumcollectorsdotcom or largecompanyCEOagency.com , all these people ever bought were fitness machines and camera filters and cheap cds and a shoe and a bike.

StanM (StanM), Monday, 4 December 2006 12:38 (seventeen years ago) link

(er, that was an xpost to toby)

StanM (StanM), Monday, 4 December 2006 12:39 (seventeen years ago) link

"sound quality issues aside" bahahaha

it just seems weird that they wouldn't even grab the audio from the record first, in a mastering studio or whatever. and THEN sell it. would that be "illegal" maybe? i mean there's nothing stopping the weiner winner from using it as a coaster for his collection of rare german beer steins.

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Monday, 4 December 2006 12:43 (seventeen years ago) link

i'm just surprised reed didn't buy it from the guy. was he approached? I know when artists get this stuff half the time you never hear it again (mccartney and those quarrymen tapes) but I'd trust reed with it more than joe schmo

although, actually, I don't really care

akm (akmonday), Monday, 4 December 2006 16:23 (seventeen years ago) link

Lou Reed probably doesn't give a shit.

Carey (Carey), Monday, 4 December 2006 16:32 (seventeen years ago) link

From the people trying to be all ethical about this guy trying to cash in you would think he was trying to sell Hitler's aborted love child on the open market.

Carey (Carey), Monday, 4 December 2006 16:34 (seventeen years ago) link

That's on the flip.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 4 December 2006 16:35 (seventeen years ago) link

standin' on the corner
hitler's aborted love child in my hand

GAWD PVNCH (yournullfame), Monday, 4 December 2006 16:44 (seventeen years ago) link

Good luck to the guy, hopefully someone'll pay a million bucks and then use it as a dartboard. If he'd picked up a piece of Faberge or an undiscovered painting by Picasso nobody would bat an eye to his good fortune but because it's a badly marked album not good enough to be released important cultural artifact people are getting hissy about it. If those people are so upset about it going to some rich dude they should organise a fundraising drive to buy it.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Monday, 4 December 2006 17:00 (seventeen years ago) link


out!

M Grout (Mark Grout), Monday, 4 December 2006 17:20 (seventeen years ago) link

Preview post option on new-nu ILX please?

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Monday, 4 December 2006 17:22 (seventeen years ago) link

So far as art goes, this record isn't very important. I'm certainly convinced that the eventual buyer will have a massive cock.

Johnney B has zeros off the line (stigoftdumpilx), Monday, 4 December 2006 17:42 (seventeen years ago) link

AHEM

http://tastetastetaste.blogspot.com/

sleeve (sleeve), Monday, 4 December 2006 18:35 (seventeen years ago) link

what i meant was: if you wanted any music available for academic / scholarly use. unfortunately, i was interrupted by a phone call.

What academic use is there for this? Seriously, spending $10 billion on big science pork grants is more useful. The only thing you can learn from a record like this is like "Lou Reed changed something OMG!@!!!" Furthermore, there even fucking exists a bootleg of this!!!

Dude, what kind of argument is this? Oh wait, it's not -- it's just you attacking me for the hell of it.

I'm totally attacking you!!! But you're the one who thinks it is a good idea for some money starved institution in the public interest to waste its money on a meaningless piece of acetate.

Indie rocker, go home.

jw (ex machina), Monday, 4 December 2006 18:51 (seventeen years ago) link

Sleeve, that's the Japanese bootleg that was linked to upthread.

StanM (StanM), Monday, 4 December 2006 18:56 (seventeen years ago) link

What academic use is there for this?

i wrote my senior thesis on tony conrad, and there was a lot of stuff (obv.) about the velvet underground in it. i got an a, my project advisor said that i did "original and important" work about the fusing of avant-garde art music to that of pop music, and how that changed the culture of each.

Tyrone Slothrop (Tyrone Slothrop), Monday, 4 December 2006 19:08 (seventeen years ago) link

i don't get any of this.

Louis Jagger (Scourage), Monday, 4 December 2006 19:15 (seventeen years ago) link

Thanks for stopping by anyway.

Nu-Edward III (edward iii), Monday, 4 December 2006 19:17 (seventeen years ago) link

What would an academic get out of the actual disc that she couldn't get from a digitization of it? I am just not getting why these guys wouldn't rip a copy first in a nice recording studio. The music is separable from the artifact.

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Monday, 4 December 2006 19:18 (seventeen years ago) link

What would an academic get out of the actual disc that she couldn't get from a digitization of it?

not much. for an institution like the warhol museum, though, it'd be about having the physical object as part of the collection, not necessarily for "study."

Tyrone Slothrop (Tyrone Slothrop), Monday, 4 December 2006 19:19 (seventeen years ago) link

"As many of you know, this has been a year of some tumult at the Voice. Most prominently, though he'll be voting in this year's Pazz & Jop, this will be the first poll in its 33- (or 34-) year history not to be compiled and organized by Robert Christgau, who created it, embodied it, and deserves all credit for its success. I have the highest respect for Bob, who has always been kind and gracious to me. I think what he started here is fantastic and vital, and worth preserving and continuing."

Mike McG (yetimike), Monday, 4 December 2006 19:34 (seventeen years ago) link

wrong thread, sorry -- still sort of a n00b.

if it were in your hands, would YOU make a copy just for yourself before selling it?

and i'd surmise that the japanese bootleg is from a reel to reel, from a source very close to the original acetate, who only released it after the multiple hoo-hah about the acetate had reached a boiling point, to make a little $. just my guess though.

Mike McG (yetimike), Monday, 4 December 2006 19:40 (seventeen years ago) link

copied from the ebay page linked from the first post

After establishing the authenticity of Warren's find we photographed the item and made a high quality digital back-up copy of the material.

milton parker (milton parker), Monday, 4 December 2006 19:49 (seventeen years ago) link

jon, I'm suprised about your apparent disdain for VU, precious indie-canon bands like their only significance was to beget Luna? They are equally in the top tier of noise-canon bands, no?

dan selzer (dan selzer), Monday, 4 December 2006 20:42 (seventeen years ago) link

I think Jon's more about just fucking with mts.

Marmot (marmotwolof), Monday, 4 December 2006 20:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Dude, I'm all for the VU and hstencil's thesis but FFS, this is not like some lost gem at all. Why does it have be treated like the toenail clipping of a saint?

jw (ex machina), Monday, 4 December 2006 21:08 (seventeen years ago) link

112,000 almost. uh...

the table is the table (trees), Monday, 4 December 2006 23:01 (seventeen years ago) link

I guess ebay trolls gotta have something to do post-PS3 launch.

Marmot (marmotwolof), Monday, 4 December 2006 23:05 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm all for the VU and hstencil's thesis

LOL. Hstencil's thesis is actually worth reading, IMHO.

ian (orion), Monday, 4 December 2006 23:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Sleeve, that's the Japanese bootleg that was linked to upthread.

Then the boot's probably the same source - there's a skip at 35 seconds into "European Son" just like the auction describes. Interestingly, there is no skip in "Waiting For The Man" (at 00:10), which differs from the eBay desription.

Doesn't sound so bad to me! I could easily write an essay on the many specific differences - the backing vocals in "Femme Fatale" are mixed way higher, for example.

sleeve (sleeve), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 07:11 (seventeen years ago) link

http://tastetastetaste.blogspot.com/

offtopic but that sound gallery compilation is pretty cool. just in case anyone was wondering.

GAWD PVNCH (yournullfame), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 07:33 (seventeen years ago) link

now that I'm listening to "European Son" more closely, it just sounds like a different mix, not a different take. And the source is indeed much poorer. Lots of skips/big pops in the 2-3 minute range.

sleeve (sleeve), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 07:41 (seventeen years ago) link

Is there a way of getting this without enrolling into the bit torrent sort of thing?

M Grout (Mark Grout), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 08:30 (seventeen years ago) link

Why does it have be treated like the toenail clipping of a saint?

That's not a bad way to put it, actually.

whoop de doodle (kenan), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 08:36 (seventeen years ago) link


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