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Ha - I think y'all did compare Ash v. JP draft-wise once upon a time.

ILX COME BACK WE MISS YOU (and I have rocks in my ass).

David RER (Frank Fiore), Thursday, 7 December 2006 21:26 (seventeen years ago) link

We did? Was it really that bad???

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 7 December 2006 22:26 (seventeen years ago) link

Maybe the convo boiled down to "lol @ Russ Adams," but I'm pretty sure something happened.

David RER (Frank Fiore), Thursday, 7 December 2006 22:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Wrong thread, but I'm not going to start a new on the the Sandbox:

While with the Cubs, Alfonseca was thrown out of a game on September 2, 2003, for hitting an umpire with his stomach.

WAHT.

Donkey Kong New York (Lee), Thursday, 7 December 2006 23:41 (seventeen years ago) link

I think thids is the "WAHT" part:
His nickname is "El Pulpo" or "The Octopus". He has six fingers on each hand and six toes on each foot, a condition known as polydactyly; his extra small fingers next to his pinky have no influence on his pitching, as they don't touch the ball.

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 8 December 2006 00:58 (seventeen years ago) link

"Six Finger" Alfonseca is relatively common knowledge. I'm wondering if he bopped an ump with his stomach.

In other news, surprising no one, Bonds re-signs with Giants.

Donkey Kong New York (Lee), Friday, 8 December 2006 03:37 (seventeen years ago) link

gord ash drafted: halladay, hudson, wells, michael young, rios, reed johnson, dustin mcgowan, brandon league, craig wilson, billy koch, casey blake, jay gibbons and vinnie chulk.

jp's highlights so far: russ adams, david bush, aaron hill and adam lind.

admittedly it's not exactly fair to compare 95-01 guys to those from 02-05, but that's still a pretty damning dropoff.

^@^ (map), Friday, 8 December 2006 05:16 (seventeen years ago) link

okay mariners are dumb pt 124 rafael soriano for Horacio Ramirez

jelky (jergins), Friday, 8 December 2006 06:45 (seventeen years ago) link

GAHAHAH WTF @ SEATTLE

aidsy (aidsy), Friday, 8 December 2006 06:58 (seventeen years ago) link

11 MIL A YEAR FOR MECHE, WTF

Dr M (Dr Morbius), Friday, 8 December 2006 14:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Thanks for reading the thread, Morbs!

David RER (Frank Fiore), Friday, 8 December 2006 15:35 (seventeen years ago) link

gord ash drafted: halladay, hudson, wells, michael young, rios, reed johnson, dustin mcgowan, brandon league, craig wilson, billy koch, casey blake, jay gibbons and vinnie chulk.

jp's highlights so far: russ adams, david bush, aaron hill and adam lind.

OK, this is silly. Young didn't come up in the J's org, and the last nine names are unproven/fouth OF/burnouts (koch), with the possible exception of Blake. The Jays were a shittier team when Ash ran the club, and therefore they could draft earlier and get more can't-miss prospects. It didn't take a genius to pick Vernon Wells fifth overall. Meanwhile, we won't know how JP's picks (which included a lot of impressive Sept 2006 callups) turn out for a few years yet.

Gord Ash banked on rejects from last-place Pittsburgh (Carlos Garcia, Orlando Merced, yeah WHO DEY) to push the team over the edge from mediocrity, and signed 190-year old Ruben Sierra because he didn't think Shawn Green was ready for the big leagues (even though it was his third full season with the club). His best trade was Plesac-Tony Batista, which looked like an absolute steal at the time but then again, only a couple of years later, Batista was gone and Plesac was resigned.

The biggest transaction that occured during Ash's tenure was the free-agent signing of Clemens, and he had nothing to do with it (club president Paul Beeston did all the work).

No Time Before Time (Barry Barry), Friday, 8 December 2006 15:54 (seventeen years ago) link

The player that best represents Ash's tenure with the J's for me:
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Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 8 December 2006 16:30 (seventeen years ago) link

Damn temporary nuilx!

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 8 December 2006 16:30 (seventeen years ago) link

okay mariners are dumb pt 124 rafael soriano for Horacio Ramirez

Well, they replaced Meche for a lot less than $11 million, and I'm not sure he's any worse!

Michael (Oakland Mike), Friday, 8 December 2006 17:07 (seventeen years ago) link

But they traded their 2nd-best (if not best) bullpen arm for rotational filler! That's just duhbumbum.

David RER (Frank Fiore), Friday, 8 December 2006 17:45 (seventeen years ago) link

OTM. That Mariners trade was terrible, regardless of the Meche outcome.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 8 December 2006 17:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Rotational filler costs 10mil per year, haven't you guys been paying attention.

Michael (Oakland Mike), Friday, 8 December 2006 17:55 (seventeen years ago) link

I hate numbers.

David RER (Frank Fiore), Friday, 8 December 2006 18:04 (seventeen years ago) link

Pettite to Yankees for $16M.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 8 December 2006 22:10 (seventeen years ago) link

YES!

Mr. Que (Party with me Punker), Friday, 8 December 2006 22:58 (seventeen years ago) link

Clemens next? Then Jesse Orosco.

bnw (bnw), Friday, 8 December 2006 23:51 (seventeen years ago) link

THANK GOD they signed someone that knows how to win in the postseason.

David RER (Frank Fiore), Saturday, 9 December 2006 02:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Bring back Irabu!

Michael (Oakland Mike), Saturday, 9 December 2006 06:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Bring 'em all back! Bring back O'Neill! Bring back Brosius! Ruth! Mantle! Ship out that bum Rodriguez! TRUE YANKEES NEVER DIE!

g000blar (g00blar), Saturday, 9 December 2006 11:36 (seventeen years ago) link

Shit, sign Leyritz!

g000blar (g00blar), Saturday, 9 December 2006 12:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Looks like someone else is gonna have to buy Ken Harvey that Monte Cristo

nathan explosion (natepatrin), Saturday, 9 December 2006 16:03 (seventeen years ago) link

"Uribe is survived by his second wife, Wendy Guerrero, and several children."

Discreet.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Saturday, 9 December 2006 16:25 (seventeen years ago) link

rapOzer, i was just emph'ing the Meche madness, YOU SOX LAMER

dR m (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 10 December 2006 08:30 (seventeen years ago) link

omg did Morbius post WASTED?

David RER (Frank Fiore), Sunday, 10 December 2006 22:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Oh: the Tigers just signed JOSE MESA.

Meche Madness (Andy_K), Monday, 11 December 2006 03:59 (seventeen years ago) link

Mean, evil, cheating Barry Bonds announced his plans to defer the majority of his salary to 2008 so that the Giants can go after Zito.

Negative spin expected tomorrow morning.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 01:25 (seventeen years ago) link

i'm wayyyy behind, what were you Mets fans' reaction to Mota's signing?

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 01:38 (seventeen years ago) link

lol @ selfless Bonds. also, Zito won't put them over the top, or anywhere near it.

bliss (blass), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 04:07 (seventeen years ago) link

*shrug* Given the loss of Bradford and ongoing recovery of Sanchez, what else could Omar do re Mota?

Dr M (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 14:21 (seventeen years ago) link

Teach baseball players a lesson!

David RER (Frank Fiore), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 14:25 (seventeen years ago) link

i just want to say that the orioles have had the most active, yet pointless offseason in years.

i was intrigued by the lowkey signings of ken phelps and j.r. house, but the orgy of relief pitching, the signing of bako and payton...yuck.

i actually think the wright deal wasn't too bad. oh, well.

if they can swing rodrigo lopez for marcus thames, i'll regain a little confidence in flanaquette.

j.q. higgins, Tuesday, 12 December 2006 16:22 (seventeen years ago) link

BAKO!

David RER (Frank Fiore), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 16:36 (seventeen years ago) link

Shasta, can I get a link for that surly St. Barry titbit?

Donkey Kong New York (Lee), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 17:26 (seventeen years ago) link

Gagne goes to the Rangers.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 19:09 (seventeen years ago) link

Gagne's pitches go into right-center and left-center field bleachers.

David RER (Frank Fiore), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 19:40 (seventeen years ago) link

So are the rangers now in the lead for dumbest moves by a mlb franchise in the 07/08 off-season? It's so hard to keep track.

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 19:55 (seventeen years ago) link

Is Gagne expected back by the start of the year? If so, I like the signing. It's only a one-year deal, and there's a lot of upside if Gagne's arm doesn't fall off.

yeah, yeah, probability that Gagne's arm falls off = 75%

No Time Before Time (Barry Barry), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 20:16 (seventeen years ago) link

Put it this way, I'd spend $6M/1yr on Gagne 99.9999% of the time before I'd spend $55M/5yrs on Gil Meche.

No Time Before Time (Barry Barry), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 20:17 (seventeen years ago) link

Tru dat.

David RER (Frank Fiore), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 20:20 (seventeen years ago) link

but that signing shows the royals are grasping at relevance again

deep space nine (deep space nine), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 20:27 (seventeen years ago) link

The fans are being pretty defensive about the whole thing on their message board. I sorta feel bad for them at this point!

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 20:31 (seventeen years ago) link

Nate Silver on Prospectus (pre-Gagne):


All winter long, I’ve been somewhat obsessed with tracking the inflation in the free agent market. The magic number, after the most recent round of signings, is 47%. That is, teams are willing to pay 47% more for the same talent than they were one winter ago. This number seems to have stabilized after being as high as 70% — and as “low” as 30% — during various other parts of the free agent cycle.

I’ve had to make a few modifications to the Marginal Value Above Replacement Player formula, by the way, which I’ll describe in a full-length column sometime soon. But as a teaser, here are the three best and worst deals of the winter so far, according to MORP 2.0.

Best Deals

1. Adam Kennedy, Cardinals: $17.9 million savings.
2. Dave Roberts, Giants: $9.4 million savings.
3. Craig Counsell, Brewers: $7.3 million savings.

Worst Deals

1. Carlos Lee, Astros: $27.2 million overspend.
2. Gil Meche, Royals: $19.4 million overspend.
3. Adam Eaton, Phillies: $12.8 million overspend.

Dr M (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 20:36 (seventeen years ago) link

You know, $19.4M spread out over 5 years is only about $3.9M / yr. That's nothing.

David RER (Frank Fiore), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 20:58 (seventeen years ago) link


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