Re girls only

i don't even understand what's happening anymore

Sorry horseshoe that x-posted to CK.

oh no, you were not the source of my confusion!

This guy is just in a reality tunnel so far from mine it's impossible. And I should really be asleep.

yeah me too but vertigo is on late tonight and i'm considering staying up for it.

Don't back down gabbneb! Its your manly tenacity that makes you irresistible to all women of the world.

Irresistible!

xxp

that's what jimmy stewart said

fuck's sake u lose yr topicality to some weak gbebneb zings

i refuse to opine on What Women Want as though we're a breed and not a bunch of different people but some of the time some women want men's bodies. are you for real?

I think it's obvious my question was rhetorical. Is it really such a stretch to posit that a dude's relationship potential is a factor in his hotness?

Its your manly tenacity that makes you irresistible to all women of the world.

I think it's obvious what I'd be doing if that were what I were going for.

I was gonna finish watching If... tonight but I think my head's just in too weird a place now for schoolboy violence.

What channel is Vertigo on???

Hi-Fy

rté 1

2 channels at once is a giddying prospect

If only I were on that side of the Atlantic.

2.15 am fuck that i'm throwing fifa on

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOEIQKczRPY

yeah babel is p boring and might send me to bed a lot sooner

babel? u playin as stuttgart or holland?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHaA1beOwrY&ob=av3e

i only started watching it because gael garcia bernal is in it and i find him v nonthreatening.

he is interesting but not annoying imo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPGiLsdWZdo&feature=related

what are you doing

what is julie lagger at now, is this an avant-garde protest against refereeing calls

i only started watching it because gael garcia bernal is in it and i find him v nonthreatening.

― judith, Tuesday, December 27, 2011 8:16 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Permalink

haha also you have excellent taste

i just like well-dressed gennlemen debating feminism tbh

Clár faisnéise ceoil ina mbeidh Neil Young- TG4 fyi

gael garcia bernal is threateningly sexy

i just like well-dressed gennlemen debating feminism tbh

― i am mad cool cos i don't like coldpay (Julie Lagger),

fuck sake but christopher nolan is really struggling for plot at this stage

nolan's never met a lady so he doesn't count

gael garcia bernal is actually julia roberts side-project

no ladies in the "no ladies" thread

can't help but feel if anybody from Sailor is still alive they cd bring a decent copyright case against Franz Ferdinand

i have posted twice to the girls-only thread. i don't regret the first one (a link) at all, but the second post (today) was unnecessary shit-stirring directed at a male (though in reference to an earlier discussion on that thread).

at any rate, i like to think i am respectful of everyone, though i suppose it is just like a guy to barge in, no matter how respectfully. so, sorry about that.

and while i do think it's fair for gabbneb to be able to respond when shit is being talked about him, no matter the thread/board, i may have kind of started it on that thread. sorry about that too.

Ha, the only time I ~really~ wanted to post on the girls thread was when Amanda posted about vocal fry.

― jaymc, Tuesday, December 27, 2011 5:25 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark
haha!

Friend on fb (a grade school teacher) shared this recently.
http://togetherforjacksoncountykids.tumblr.com/post/14314184651/one-teachers-approach-to-preventing-gender-bullying-in

enjoyable anecdotage

No breast checks until post-menopause, though. Would sort of appreciate an exam because when I do a self-check I always feel like I have no idea what I'm looking for.

I took a women's health class in college in which we practiced breast exams on a fake breast that contained lumps. They were pretty clearly lumpy.

I don't get embarrassed very easily, but after the other two guys dropped, I was the only man in the class, so the breast exam day was kind of awkward, and the day we were each issued a clear acrylic speculum was pretty terrible.

Do you still have that?

I'm wearing it right now.

(no. i did not move it here from north carolina!)

x-posts while I've written this, sorry...

I didn't get to read that "gender bullying" blog when it was originally posted on the Girl Thread coz I was having Cornish broadband issues. I'm having pretty mixed feelings about it, and struggling to articulate why.

On the most immediate level, obviously it's great that this teacher is doing their best to combat gender bullying, and try to challenge the relentless gender stereotyping. I think the lessons that Tempel is teaching are v v important, and were taught in an accessible way.

But on another level, I think that I really kind of recoil from labels like "gender variance" in the first place. Because it gives that kind of relentless pinkification/commodification of childhood gender a kind of legitimacy which I really don't think it deserves. It's also the horrifying realisation that if I were a child today, I'd be labeled as "gender variant" instead of just being left to get on with mud and frogs. But is that the fault of the label itself, or the commodified bifurcation of childhood which really didn't exert the same kind of pressure when I was that age? Like, I definitely feel like it was more OK to just be a "tomboy" in the 70s when all kids wore dungarees in unisex colours? (Though, that said, young kids certainly found other things to bully me about in grade school - being an English person with a stupid accent in an American school being number one, what, are you going to call that "Accent Variance" now?)

But I often feel like a cranky old person when confronted with the exploding plethora of labels. Like, labels might be good if they give people a name for something they thought was abnormal or "I'm the only one" before - but at the same time, labels are, always, kind of limiting.

I think what this teacher did, for this child, and this class, was great. It's fantastic to teach kids to resist this kind of commodification of gender pressure, and early. But at the same time, it doesn't really get at the root issues. Like, *why* is gender bifurcation being pushed so much harder and so much earlier? Oh, that's right. Because you can sell twice as many toys if you manufacture one pink one and one blue one, instead of like it was back in the 70s, when my brother and I got one unisex toybox we had to share. What is driving this construction of gender - and gender (as opposed to sex) *is* a construct, it varies so much from culture to culture (which, to me, makes a mockery of the idea of "gender variance" - ALL gender varies) - but I know, just because gender is a Construct, that doesn't mean that Constructs don't have power. Like, *money* is a total Construct, but it's one of the most powerful things on earth (hell, even *power* is a total construct.)

For a supposed "feelgood" article, it's raising a lot more questions for me than it answers.

But I am a curmudgeon.

variating from what.

Yeah, that is precisely it.

What is this monolithic GENDER from which kids are supposed to be varying? Who made it up? And can I have a word with them?

And by "a word" I mean "a punch in the nose"?

:D

i dunno - i think there might have been a period in the 60s/70s that were more relaxed in terms of gendered toys for kids. I struggle to believe that things were better in that regard in the early 60s and prior.

haha i didn't explain that very well