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run through him, you mean? okay, well, he's also a good spot-up midrange shooter. and he has post moves; he just hid them last year.

bosh's goal is to average 10 rebounds this year. that's possible, given his statistics from toranto. if he does that, he'll be great. and sitting at the elbow, shooting midrange shots is okay for him, and is a good "fit." (a'mare, who is amazing but crowds the paint, might have presented his own "fitness" issues alongside bron and wade). and if bosh becomes more assertive in the paint, he'll be an even better fit.

if he does that, he'll be great. and sitting at the elbow, shooting midrange shots is okay for him, and is a good "fit."
― Daniel, Esq., Sunday, December 25, 2011 9:05 PM (39 seconds ago) Bookmark Permalink

No, it's a good fit for kurt thomas, not an elite offensive player like Bosh once was.

the big 3 fit and they don't fit -- it's certainly not a classic pairing like the celtics big 3 or like deron/dwight/dirk would be -- but the heat's big 3 can also do a lot of things on both the offensive and defensive (this is a huge thing) ends that no team or trio of players in the nba can do -- i still think that talent will win out and that it really won't matter if they fit classically, and if things go anywhere near as well as they went on day 1 of year 2, they may obliterate the entire notion of fit anyway

and i think you could make the argument that lebron is truly one of the most versatile, or potentially versatile, players in the history of the nba, and that maybe the best team for him is one that is amorphous and experimental, provided that he's willing to push himself to expand his offensive repertoire -- he seemed like he was on his way today

& anyway matt armstrong picked the mavs to repeat, so

if you did 100 random groupings of 3 top 25 players who didn't play the same position, I venture to say that a majority of the time they'd fit better than Miami's big 3 does.

nash -- cp3 -- deron

that's possible, but it would be a pretty worthless experiment

nash -- cp3 -- deron

― Daniel, Esq., Sunday, December 25, 2011 9:25 PM (32 seconds ago) Bookmark Permalink

dude

lol

JUST KIDDING

i mean it's not like the heat got to choose any 3 of the nba's top 25 players and choose three guys that don't fit perfectly

i mean you could say the same thing for literally every single team in the nba

interestingly, i rarely see bosh identified as the "bad fit." i always see bosh/lebron's redundant game identified as the issue.

i mean it's not like the heat got to choose any 3 of the nba's top 25 players and choose three guys that don't fit perfectly

i mean you could say the same thing for literally every single team in the nba

― How many days after a period? Started by Tuomas in December 2011 (v-shasty), Sunday, December 25, 2011 9:28 PM (21 seconds ago) Bookmark Permalink

No, see, this isn't the case at all! GMs have the freedom to put together players who fit from a talent perspective. The Heat didn't do that because the Superfriends were a package deal.

there's no basketball reason why miami's big three shouldn't work--it's all about flexibility and expansion of roles and being willing to work outside what you did when you were the guy on your team. i guess lebron was in the post today? good for him. he should have done that years ago.

bosh is fine -- he's a good fit in that he shouldn't be the number 1 option on a team and is overqualified as the number 3 -- and he helps the heat space the floor

interestingly, i rarely see bosh identified as the "bad fit." i always see bosh/lebron's redundant game identified as the issue.

― Daniel, Esq., Sunday, December 25, 2011 10:29 PM (41 seconds ago) Bookmark Permalink

bosh is prob a bad fit in that a distributing/defending point guard or dominant defense/rebounding center would be much more useful than jump shooting pf.

i mean brandon bass would also help the heat space the floor.

No, see, this isn't the case at all! GMs have the freedom to put together players who fit from a talent perspective. The Heat didn't do that because the Superfriends were a package deal.

― Matt Armstrong, Sunday, December 25, 2011 9:29 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

this is pretty stupid, matt -- GMs have the freedom to put together players, but with some restrictions -- i.e. no GM will get to add derrick rose, who is one of the top 25 players in the nba -- or dirk nowitzki -- and so on and so forth

and in any event the superfriends are at worst the second best team in the nba, so i don't think it's a big deal

ideally you'd want bosh to be better on defense and as a rebounder, but he's not exactly dirk in that regard, either

bosh is fine -- he's a good fit in that he shouldn't be the number 1 option on a team and is overqualified as the number 3 -- and he helps the heat space the floor

― How many days after a period? Started by Tuomas in December 2011 (v-shasty), Sunday, December 25, 2011 9:30 PM (45 seconds ago) Bookmark Permalink

he's not an elite floor spacer though. 45% from 16-23 is good, but it ain't great. and obviously that's the furthest extent of his floor spacing.

Imagine how much better they'd be with Kevin Love instead of Bosh. That would be a fit.

bosh is prob a bad fit in that a distributing/defending point guard or dominant defense/rebounding center would be much more useful than jump shooting pf.

i think cole will fill the first role. and yes, a dominant center would be better, but that wasn't an option. it's why i have high hopes for either curry or pittman. if either work out (and i really think curry will), then bosh fits in very well imo.

cannot see kevin love on the heat. cannot.

this is pretty stupid, matt -- GMs have the freedom to put together players, but with some restrictions -- i.e. no GM will get to add derrick rose, who is one of the top 25 players in the nba -- or dirk nowitzki -- and so on and so forth
― How many days after a period? Started by Tuomas in December 2011 (v-shasty), Sunday, December 25, 2011 9:32 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Permalink

But they can find players who "fit." Terry/Kidd fit together. Nash and Stoudemire were a perfect fit. GMs put them together.

you can't say that teams across the leagues are as poorly assembled from a fit perspective-- plenty of teams aren't. They just don't have the talent level in their star players that the Heat has.

right, but that's a perfectly fine balance?

lol which teams are actually "well-assembled" in that their three best players compliment each other perfectly or close to it?

i mean saying kevin love would be a better fit is potentially true, but it's also a total fantasy that never could've happened, so it's kind of stupid to argue about

also nash & stoudemire were a good fit offensively, but that team never made it to the finals in large part cuz neither of those two guys could guard a barstool

lol which teams are actually "well-assembled" in that their three best players compliment each other perfectly or close to it?

― cad, Sunday, December 25, 2011 9:36 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Permalink

but they don't have to be perfect complements. They just have to fit together better than the heat's trio, which is a low standard to meet.

i mean saying kevin love would be a better fit is potentially true, but it's also a total fantasy that never could've happened, so it's kind of stupid to argue about

― How many days after a period? Started by Tuomas in December 2011 (v-shasty), Sunday, December 25, 2011 9:36 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Permalink

you don't think they could have flipped bosh for love midseason?

They just have to fit together better than the heat's trio, which is a low standard to meet.

― Matt Armstrong, Sunday, December 25, 2011 9:38 PM (13 seconds ago) Bookmark

yeah but this isn't true at all

It couldn't have happened cuz bron and wade would have been butthurt I guess.

also cuz why would david khan trade for chris bosh's max deal?

i mean this is getting somewhere close to friday afternoon bill simmons level of fantasy inanity

you don't think they could have flipped bosh for love midseason?

― Matt Armstrong, Sunday, December 25, 2011 10:39 PM (52 seconds ago) Bookmark Permalink

why the hell would minnesota do this?

because Kahn thought Love sucked until the middle of last season.

matt offtm about everything except kevin love, just jizzed myself thinking about that

because Kahn thought Love sucked until the middle of last season.

― Matt Armstrong, Sunday, December 25, 2011 10:43 PM (24 seconds ago) Bookmark Permalink

this is ridiculous and you know it--the contracts make up for any perceived issues with kevin love

after the 09-10 season the Wolves front office had a film session and concluded that the only player who looked like an nba starter to them was Darko.

i mean you could make the argument that khan would trade kevin love bcuz there's little shot that he'll sign an extension there, but i'm pretty sure that khan would be looking for someone better than chris bosh

i said this on twitter but my grandma got me a cp3 clips jersey for xmas ^_^ *rocks*

yeah grandma!

clips-warriors might be most anticipated game of the day

i mean you could make the argument that khan would trade kevin love bcuz there's little shot that he'll sign an extension there, but i'm pretty sure that khan would be looking for someone better than chris bosh

― How many days after a period? Started by Tuomas in December 2011 (v-shasty), Sunday, December 25, 2011 9:45 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Permalink

dude, Kahn hated Love. He thought Love was really overrated. Love began the 10-11 season struggling to get more than 30 minutes. Everything changed with the 30-30 game.

anyway i think you could easily make the argument that the leauge is wide open for the heat this year -- the bulls should give them a tough test, but i don't see any team in the west beating them -- the heat are a terrible match up for okc, imo

yup

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the mavs are punting this year, the lakers don't have a shot. clippers will be good, but not good enough. idk. if the bulls can't manage to beat the heat i think they might walk to the title.

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