J.R. Smith has literally been shanghaied away for the foreshortened 2011-2012 NBA season: rolling ILH sandbox thread

heat have three players that don't fit at all, Dallas would have three players who are made for each other.

they fit pretty well today.

not really, bosh didn't do anything.

i think they'll fit fine, this year and next. there's some overlap, but there are plenty of workarounds.

and btw, bosh is the player who fits perfectly with either bron or wade. it's the wings who arguably have duplication in their games, i.e., redundancy.

bosh stepped back as a scorer because the two wings take up so many touches. but bosh will be damn good this year, i'm convinced. getting bigger will help him plenty.

they have two guys who can't shoot from the perimeter and need the ball in their hands all the time, and a soft PF who doesn't do dirty work and mostly is effective in iso situations. Great mix!

If Lebron is going to be facing up in the post and taking 12'-18' jumpers they don't need Bosh.

they might win because of the overwhelming talent of wade and lebron, but this big three was just three bro's going to a team, not three players who made sense alongside each other.

nah. the transition game they showed today was awesome. two prolific wings -- even ones that like the ball in their hands -- can work fine, if they can pass like bron and wade.

but eventually you have to score in the half court, and it turns into a nightmare

we saw it vs. dallas, if they couldn't spark the transition game with defense, their halfcourt offense was remedial.

v. dallas today or in the finals?

Today they could do no wrong.

right. like all teams in a shortened preseason, they'll need work, and bron has to be reminded to not just pound the ball at the top of the key. having said that, i think they'll be fine in the half-court. if they can get good production out of their center position (a big "if," i know), they'll be amazing.

and they'll likely be amazing, anyway.

I don't see how you could argue the three of them are a good fit, considering what has happened to Bosh.

unless you think Bosh just has been exposed and wouldn't be a great fit anywhere.

Bosh would have been a great fit in Chicago instead of Boozer.

no; i think bosh is a top-5 PF. bosh was v good/consistent in the playoffs. he just doesn't score as much. and he was guilty of some psychological regression, sitting back and watching bron/wade play, but that's something that isn't related to his potential fit with the team.

well, and his rebounds did decrease some. but that's not really a "fit" issue. it's more because bron and wade rebound very well for their positions.

it's absolutely related to it! He likes to have plays run for him.

if Bosh's role in the offense is that minor, they should have a guy who rebounds and/or plays great D.

run through him, you mean? okay, well, he's also a good spot-up midrange shooter. and he has post moves; he just hid them last year.

bosh's goal is to average 10 rebounds this year. that's possible, given his statistics from toranto. if he does that, he'll be great. and sitting at the elbow, shooting midrange shots is okay for him, and is a good "fit." (a'mare, who is amazing but crowds the paint, might have presented his own "fitness" issues alongside bron and wade). and if bosh becomes more assertive in the paint, he'll be an even better fit.

if he does that, he'll be great. and sitting at the elbow, shooting midrange shots is okay for him, and is a good "fit."
― Daniel, Esq., Sunday, December 25, 2011 9:05 PM (39 seconds ago) Bookmark Permalink

No, it's a good fit for kurt thomas, not an elite offensive player like Bosh once was.

the big 3 fit and they don't fit -- it's certainly not a classic pairing like the celtics big 3 or like deron/dwight/dirk would be -- but the heat's big 3 can also do a lot of things on both the offensive and defensive (this is a huge thing) ends that no team or trio of players in the nba can do -- i still think that talent will win out and that it really won't matter if they fit classically, and if things go anywhere near as well as they went on day 1 of year 2, they may obliterate the entire notion of fit anyway

and i think you could make the argument that lebron is truly one of the most versatile, or potentially versatile, players in the history of the nba, and that maybe the best team for him is one that is amorphous and experimental, provided that he's willing to push himself to expand his offensive repertoire -- he seemed like he was on his way today

& anyway matt armstrong picked the mavs to repeat, so

if you did 100 random groupings of 3 top 25 players who didn't play the same position, I venture to say that a majority of the time they'd fit better than Miami's big 3 does.

nash -- cp3 -- deron

that's possible, but it would be a pretty worthless experiment

nash -- cp3 -- deron

― Daniel, Esq., Sunday, December 25, 2011 9:25 PM (32 seconds ago) Bookmark Permalink

dude

lol

JUST KIDDING

i mean it's not like the heat got to choose any 3 of the nba's top 25 players and choose three guys that don't fit perfectly

i mean you could say the same thing for literally every single team in the nba

interestingly, i rarely see bosh identified as the "bad fit." i always see bosh/lebron's redundant game identified as the issue.

i mean it's not like the heat got to choose any 3 of the nba's top 25 players and choose three guys that don't fit perfectly

i mean you could say the same thing for literally every single team in the nba

― How many days after a period? Started by Tuomas in December 2011 (v-shasty), Sunday, December 25, 2011 9:28 PM (21 seconds ago) Bookmark Permalink

No, see, this isn't the case at all! GMs have the freedom to put together players who fit from a talent perspective. The Heat didn't do that because the Superfriends were a package deal.

there's no basketball reason why miami's big three shouldn't work--it's all about flexibility and expansion of roles and being willing to work outside what you did when you were the guy on your team. i guess lebron was in the post today? good for him. he should have done that years ago.

bosh is fine -- he's a good fit in that he shouldn't be the number 1 option on a team and is overqualified as the number 3 -- and he helps the heat space the floor

interestingly, i rarely see bosh identified as the "bad fit." i always see bosh/lebron's redundant game identified as the issue.

― Daniel, Esq., Sunday, December 25, 2011 10:29 PM (41 seconds ago) Bookmark Permalink

bosh is prob a bad fit in that a distributing/defending point guard or dominant defense/rebounding center would be much more useful than jump shooting pf.

i mean brandon bass would also help the heat space the floor.

No, see, this isn't the case at all! GMs have the freedom to put together players who fit from a talent perspective. The Heat didn't do that because the Superfriends were a package deal.

― Matt Armstrong, Sunday, December 25, 2011 9:29 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

this is pretty stupid, matt -- GMs have the freedom to put together players, but with some restrictions -- i.e. no GM will get to add derrick rose, who is one of the top 25 players in the nba -- or dirk nowitzki -- and so on and so forth

and in any event the superfriends are at worst the second best team in the nba, so i don't think it's a big deal

ideally you'd want bosh to be better on defense and as a rebounder, but he's not exactly dirk in that regard, either

bosh is fine -- he's a good fit in that he shouldn't be the number 1 option on a team and is overqualified as the number 3 -- and he helps the heat space the floor

― How many days after a period? Started by Tuomas in December 2011 (v-shasty), Sunday, December 25, 2011 9:30 PM (45 seconds ago) Bookmark Permalink

he's not an elite floor spacer though. 45% from 16-23 is good, but it ain't great. and obviously that's the furthest extent of his floor spacing.

Imagine how much better they'd be with Kevin Love instead of Bosh. That would be a fit.

bosh is prob a bad fit in that a distributing/defending point guard or dominant defense/rebounding center would be much more useful than jump shooting pf.

i think cole will fill the first role. and yes, a dominant center would be better, but that wasn't an option. it's why i have high hopes for either curry or pittman. if either work out (and i really think curry will), then bosh fits in very well imo.

cannot see kevin love on the heat. cannot.

this is pretty stupid, matt -- GMs have the freedom to put together players, but with some restrictions -- i.e. no GM will get to add derrick rose, who is one of the top 25 players in the nba -- or dirk nowitzki -- and so on and so forth
― How many days after a period? Started by Tuomas in December 2011 (v-shasty), Sunday, December 25, 2011 9:32 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Permalink

But they can find players who "fit." Terry/Kidd fit together. Nash and Stoudemire were a perfect fit. GMs put them together.

you can't say that teams across the leagues are as poorly assembled from a fit perspective-- plenty of teams aren't. They just don't have the talent level in their star players that the Heat has.

right, but that's a perfectly fine balance?

lol which teams are actually "well-assembled" in that their three best players compliment each other perfectly or close to it?