Magazine/website/record store BEST OF 2011 end-of-year list pile-up

It's just retro rock that borrows from various eras. Maybe not amazing, but I am not clear why you think it is a candidate for the worst.

girls is worse than pearl jam who some dude likes

if you think Girls and Yuck is some of the worst music you've ever heard, then please remove the shit from your ears. Give me a break with the hyperbole; these are at least competent ripoffs of their antecedents!

their antecedents were shit as well!

i am not the only critic who thinks that about yuck: http://www.thesinglesjukebox.com/?p=2988

but I am not clear why you think it is a candidate for the worst

Because these people love hyperbole more than they love their own lives.

Lex, your tracks list is mostly shit. I still think you are useful to me for uncovering new developments I'm not likely to run across on my own.

dude is thrillingly "disrespectful" to whatever Brazilian music is supposed to be, in the same way that all great Brazilian music ever has also been.

This is vague enough that challenging it is probably a mistake, but I don't like it. Why can't Brazilian music spend some of its time simply being good Brazilian music (of whatever genre it is)? This makes it sound as though the best Brazilian music is always questioning the nature of Brazilian music and pushing against the boundaries and whatnot, and I don't buy that. I willingly admit you know way more about Brazilian music than I do, but most of my favorite Brazilian music isn't obviously iconoclastic. (Maybe some of it was more iconoclastic at the time than I realize). I wouldn't particularly accuse you of that, but I think that for a lot of I listened to the Santtana album after seeing it on various lists, but I'll stick with Maria Rita's amazing, rather traditional (more jazz than contemporary pop) MPB album from this year. (And I listened to about three or four other new Brazilian albums this year, which is more than usual.)

Girls album actually sounds interesting but what I'm hearing about Yuck is "like Teenage Fanclub but with pretty melodies which makes me think that the hypesters are not on the level...

Lex, your tracks list is mostly shit.

your taste is mostly shit

I'm trying to understand Lex's taste in rock--it seems to be mainly wispy rock with female vocals (new PJ Harvey) but I also think you like Tom Waits. The "worst" hyperbole stuff from you is so over the top that I think it hurts the much more nicely written praise of r'n'b singers and such that I generally agree with you on.

You don't like Yuck or its predecessors so which rock oldtimer acts do you like-- waht do you think of the Velvet Underground, Public Image Ltd., Ramones, Beatles, Johnny Burnette Trio...?

Lex, your tracks list is mostly shit.

your taste is mostly shit

lex, I'd be very surprised if you know much about my taste in music, especially since a lot of it is focused on areas you don't bother with.

y'all are so dumb

kmt

"Another Suburbanite", you really want to argue on christmas day with lex about the velvet underground, public image ltd., ramones, beatles and the johnny burnette trio? life is too short, homie. it really is.

occidental rudipherous, if your music taste is focused on areas that lex doesn't bother with, then it probably is shit. i mean, just to be fair.

Who is v-shasty?

dick clark

Fair and balanced rap fan.

x-post to Tuomas. You're probably right. Ok, I will move on to Brazilian music--

Rudiph:

I like the Maria Rita also. Another Brazilian album I liked this year is
. Romulo Froes- Um Labirinto em Cada Pé (A Labyrinth in Each Foot) (livrariacultura.com). Thank you to the ilx poster who mentioned this on a Brazilian thread on regular ilx. It's available for free download, just google him and that album

occidental rudipherous, if your music taste is focused on areas that lex doesn't bother with, then it probably is shit. i mean, just to be fair.

surely life is too short for this desperate shit also

v-shasty: Tuomas-obsessed, so probably Noise Board riff-raff.

waht do you think of the Velvet Underground

i like the nico album but suspect what i like about it most is nico. by "like" i don't mean "enough to want to listen to on a regular basis"

Public Image Ltd.

never heard

Ramones

um i don't think so. my editor once tried to get me into them by telling me miley cyrus was the modern day equivalent but the thing is i like demi lovato more than miley cyrus

Beatles

HATE HATE HATE WITH A MILLION KNIVES I HATE THEM. merry xmas!

Johnny Burnette Trio...?

whodin?

Public Image Ltd.

never heard

Lol.

v-shasty: Tuomas-obsessed, so probably Noise Board riff-raff.

― Occidental Rudipherous, Sunday, December 25, 2011 10:38 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

or maybe just riff raff

http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/500/65490376/RiFF+RAFF+SODMG+1abdbe75e5b0809c4d2b45d4841754.png

it seems to be mainly wispy rock with female vocals (new PJ Harvey)

hey i like old pj harvey too. "long snake moan" ain't wispy

Shasty otm. Lining up to 'set Lex straight' is one of ILX's most tiresome holiday/year-end traditions.

Awesome he likes the VU & Nico album though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRdfX7ut8gw

(Oops, tried to dis-embed that, actually.)

I'm just annoying myself now. Will try to find other things to do.

god damn it Rudipherous and everyone I thought this was gonna be fun. forgot about how everyone has to get all angrified all the time.

so I guess there is no point in talking about the long tension in Brazil between those who righteously represent the old guard and the concept of "canibalismo," no point in talking about how Maria Rita's mother was one of the greatest synthesists in Brazilian music, no point at all in talking about how Tropicalia was a huge revolution in Braz. music that itself still has to be revolted against in order to keep things fresh, etc., all that stuff. never mind.

by the way the best salsa I heard this year was from Victor Waill. You could tell me who's better out there now if you wanted to. But isn't ANYONE here tired of ad hominem attacks? JESUS CRISTO

i've heard it's his birthday

Not true, actually.

According to astro-theme.com, it was actually Feb. 28

http://www.astrotheme.com/portraits/E5t7TAxeM4Jt.htm

hoped you were all talking about for a second
http://www.matteobologna.it/blog/post_012/TheGirls_GirlTalk_1981.jpg

haha that girls album is pretty good.

one song sounds surprisingly like black-sabbath!

so I guess there is no point in talking about the long tension in Brazil between those who righteously represent the old guard and the concept of "canibalismo," no point in talking about how Maria Rita's mother was one of the greatest synthesists in Brazilian music, no point at all in talking about how Tropicalia was a huge revolution in Braz. music that itself still has to be revolted against in order to keep things fresh, etc., all that stuff.

What are you getting all pretend upset about here? I didn't like the sound of what you were saying, since it seems to preclude the possibility of good Brazilian music that sounds like what people think good Brazilian music should sound like. By all means, talk about it. Your initial comment left me guessing what you had in mind.

by the way the best salsa I heard this year was from Victor Waill. You could tell me who's better out there now if you wanted to.

I'm not familiar with the name, will check it out. I don't like to say entire genres are dead, but salsa music is in pretty bad shape at this point, so I have absolutely zero salsa albums to recommend from 2011 (though the Michael Stuart collection of Louie Ramirez covers would be my pick if I had to pick one).

My question for the Lex is that if Girls and Yuck are literally some of the worst shit he's ever heard, what does he think other people see in them?

guessing he'd say the people that like them are deluded or have bad taste?

i don't know, what do you think people see in music you hate? xp

themselves:D

anyway! i finished my massive youtube playlist which takes in 99% of my albums and trax lists, plus a couple of sundry important things that i tacked on to the end

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL65FDD501BC4A3CA8

http://scarygoround.com/scare/strips/20111226.png

i don't know, what do you think people see in music you hate? xp

I don't outright ~hate~ a lot of music.

But for instance: I am not a big Bob Dylan fan. I think this is because I'm less interested in lyrics than I am in interesting sounds, and I also don't find much appeal in traditional folk/blues structures. I suspect that Dylan partisans are, generally, the kind of people who sit down and pay attention to words and who not only aren't bored by the trad structures but find strength and emotional depth in them. It's not my cup of tea, but I can see how he appeals to people who listen to music differently than I do.

about some artists i (uncharitably) think that the only thing ppl are getting out of listening to them is getting to be the kind of person who would like that artist

See, I think that's as true or untrue for people with good taste as for people with bad taste. There's cachet attached to nearly every aesthetic bandwagon.

I'm fairly used to people not hearing what I hear in music (even if we both like the same stuff) so it's fairly easy to concede that when people like something I dislike they are literally hearing something I'm not.

http://latinmusic.about.com/od/cdtoppicks/tp/The-Best-Latin-Music-Albums-Of-2011.htm

The Calle 13 is a 2010 release, but I guess for some its impact was this year

'Sterrenplaten', small Belgian radio show, added its end of yearlist. [A-Z] this is.

http://www.mixcloud.com/Sterrenplaten/sterrenplaten-eindejaar-23-december-2011/

Beach Boys - Smile Sessions
Bon Iver - Bon Iver, Bon Iver
Clams Casino - Instrumentals LP/Rainforest EP
Dirty Beaches - Badlands
EMA - Past Life Martyred Saints
Girls - Father, Son, Holy Ghost
James Blake - James Blake
Julianna Barwick - The Magic place
Kuedo - Severant
Oneohtrix Point Never - Replica
The Psychic Paramount - II
Rustie - Glass Swords

I'm a rock/heavy metal fan of long standing and Lex is entirely right about Yuck and Girls.

Also this: "Beatles

HATE HATE HATE WITH A MILLION KNIVES I HATE THEM. merry xmas!"

is the most righteous tidings for Winterval.

All the best.

Richard Florida mapping Pitchfork's top tracks by geography:

Greater New York (including the five boroughs and immediately surrounding suburbs) took the top spot, generating more than one in four of all 2011 Pitchfork hits. Three of them come from my home state of New Jersey – two from Jersey City’s Real Estate and one from Nutley’s Clams Casino (also the birthplace of Martha Stewart). London is next with 16 hits and Los Angeles is third with 10. In fact, these three super-star pop culture capitals account for just about half of all of Pitchfork's 2011 hits.

My adopted hometown of Toronto is close behind with seven (including one for nearby Hamilton), followed by the San Francisco Bay Area with six (four for San Fran and two for Oakland). Atlanta has four, and Vancouver, three.

http://www.theatlanticcities.com/arts-and-lifestyle/2011/12/geography-top-music-hits/750/

So yes, we're starting with a subjective assessment, one that is heavily skewed toward English language acts in the indie, alternative, and hip-hop genres. It's also admittedly one that's on occasion been mocked as out of touch or overly snobby. Still, it’s as useful a barometer of what’s hot at the leading edges of popular music as any. And for our purposes, it turns out to be quite amenable to locational analysis, too.

http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/the_music_club/features/2011/music_club_2011/best_music_2011_the_year_when_indie_music_and_r_b_made_nice_.html

The emails between Nabisco, Ann Powers, Jody Rosen, Jonah Weiner, et. al. continue.

The Spin top 20 pop albums list is kind of interesting to me, mainly due to the presence of the Perfume album as well as two kpop picks.

http://www.spin.com/articles/spins-20-best-pop-albums-2011