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well, let's hope it's the last time.

(didn't they charge $25 a ticket?!?)

― Dr M (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 19:07 (seventeen years ago) link

well, let's hope it's the last time.

? I love it when people cheer at movies.

― horseshoe (horseshoe), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 19:08 (seventeen years ago) link

I am a big sap, though. that probably explains why I loved Dreamgirls so much, too.

― horseshoe (horseshoe), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 19:09 (seventeen years ago) link

I only heard of the musical two years ago. This makes me a Bad Fag, I suppose.

― Alfred Soto (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 19:09 (seventeen years ago) link

i still want to see this although it looks like I'll have to go alone.

― Ms Misery (MsMisery), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 19:10 (seventeen years ago) link

go with morbius!

― a mediocre black-and-white cookie in a cellophane wrapper (hanks1ockli), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 19:11 (seventeen years ago) link

ppl applauding at movies are cheering their own fabulousness (which is no surprise in this instance). Still, the projectionist should come out for a bow.

― Dr M (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 19:12 (seventeen years ago) link

Morbs needs to take me to see Inland Empire.

― Alfred Soto (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 19:13 (seventeen years ago) link

So this is now the gay film fan date thread?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 19:14 (seventeen years ago) link

We needed to replace the old Brokeback thread.

― Alfred Soto (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 19:15 (seventeen years ago) link

(didn't they charge $25 a ticket?!?)

oh i dunno, i got for free.

― phil-two (phil-two), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 19:15 (seventeen years ago) link

SCENESTER

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 19:15 (seventeen years ago) link

I only heard of the musical two years ago. This makes me a Bad Fag, I suppose.

i still havent seen brokeback mountain!

― phil-two (phil-two), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 19:15 (seventeen years ago) link

i don't like the idea of sexual orientation coming with requirements

― Ms Misery (MsMisery), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 19:16 (seventeen years ago) link

ppl applauding at movies are cheering their own fabulousness

I think they're just enjoying watching the movie with other people rather than alone.

― horseshoe (horseshoe), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 19:18 (seventeen years ago) link

Alfred, fly up for the Ann Miller triple feature in April (Reveille with Beverly included).

― Dr M (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 19:18 (seventeen years ago) link

Actually, I guess I've seen people cheer at Whats Love Got to Do With It, when Tina leaves Ike.

― phil-two (phil-two), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 19:24 (seventeen years ago) link

I saw people cheer when Trinity died in the last Matrix movie, and it was not uncalled for.

― The Many Faces of Gordon Jump (Leon), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 19:31 (seventeen years ago) link

i think the only times i've seen audiences cheer is when women give it back to some jerky male in a drama or, conversely, when a woman is slapped around in an action film. also: when leonardo dicaprio pistol-whipped matt damon in 'the departed'.

― bohren un der club of gear (bohren un der club of gear), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 19:33 (seventeen years ago) link

cheering/clapping is fun. it makes you feel like you're participating. sometimes it is a spontaneous expression of delight. jesus.

― a mediocre black-and-white cookie in a cellophane wrapper (hanks1ockli), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 19:39 (seventeen years ago) link

OTM. it's nice when moviegoing transforms into a community experience.

― horseshoe (horseshoe), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 19:40 (seventeen years ago) link

Best fun with movies in theaters is either that full participation in a full theatre or a situation where it's just you and a couple of friends and nobody else (which has happened a couple of times over the years).

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 19:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Dan why do you characterize the "American Idol"-style as being roughly 40 years old...? I thought we had Mariah Carey to blame for all that melismatic scale-running R&B stuff.

HI DERE ARETHA FRANKLIN + SWEET HONEY IN THE ROCK + SOUNDS OF BLACKNESS + APPROX A GAZILLION ACTS FROM BEFORE THEN IN THE GOSPEL/BLUES ARENA

― Jesus Dan (dan perry), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 19:54 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah Effie seemed clearly Aretha Franklinesque to me.

― horseshoe (horseshoe), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 19:56 (seventeen years ago) link

Even if you don't buy the Aretha comparison, check Jennifer Holliday's performance at the 1982 Tonys:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czftJYMoRv4

Kind of can't blame Mariah for a song interpretation that predates her by eight years!

― Jesus Dan (dan perry), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 20:01 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, a spontaneous expression of delight is OK, and doing at the end credits sure ain't that.

equating Aretha w/ American Idol = OH NOES

― Dr M (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 20:02 (seventeen years ago) link

"why is this aretha person dressing up like a white lady and not singing in the guttural, unmodulated tones of the authentic negro experience"

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 20:03 (seventeen years ago) link

spontaneous expressions of delight can happen whenever, that is what the word spontaneous means

― a mediocre black-and-white cookie in a cellophane wrapper (hanks1ockli), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 20:07 (seventeen years ago) link

When Jennifer Hudson sang "This time... Effie's gonna WIN!", a woman in my theatre shouted "HOT DAMN!"

― Jesus Dan (dan perry), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 20:11 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah, the first time I saw it, the theater was packed (Christmas Day) it was clear no one could quite contain themselves every time Hudson was onscreen. 75-year-old women were murmuring with delight. it was pretty awesome.

― horseshoe (horseshoe), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 20:12 (seventeen years ago) link

Dan why do you characterize the "American Idol"-style as being roughly 40 years old...? I thought we had Mariah Carey to blame for all that melismatic scale-running R&B stuff.

I say Stevie Wonder really popularized it, but I love him and think he's responsible for almost everything in pop.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 20:19 (seventeen years ago) link

That's probably fair; all the women wanted to sound like Aretha and all the men wanted to sound like Stevie and Marvin.

― Jesus Dan (dan perry), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 20:21 (seventeen years ago) link

"This time... Effie's gonna WIN!"

Yeah, the (white) woman behind me was all "you give it to him" at that point.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 20:22 (seventeen years ago) link

Especially the Brits.

(xpost)

― Alfred Soto (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 20:22 (seventeen years ago) link

Man, I really want to see this movie.

Also, I don't really like polite applause as the credits roll, but spontaneous cheers during key moments in the movie can be fun. (There were a couple of the Children of Men screening I caught yesterday.)

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 20:24 (seventeen years ago) link

I hear that style more in Stevie than I do in Aretha or Marvin (neither of whom were prone to random runs up and down a scale in the middle of a phrase)

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 20:24 (seventeen years ago) link

It's strange because Stevie made that sound so happy, whereas most singers who do it today sound emotionless.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 21:32 (seventeen years ago) link

they sound emotionless because they are emotionless - melisma signifies itself, or "I (think I) am singing well" or "I am expressing feelings completely alien to me" (though maybe I just don't know how hard it was for the mickey mouse club at a young age)

equating Aretha w/ American Idol = OH NOES

OTM. I even like Mariah. But 99% of melismatic stuff is total shite.

anyway, I'd be into seeing Eddie Murphy, but probably not enough to see this? Anything notable abt Jamie Foxx' performance?

― nuneb (nuneb), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 21:36 (seventeen years ago) link

gabbneb OTM on showoffy melismatic bullshit. I'd compare it to those horrendous guitar solos that ruin so much '70s rock and nearly all metal for me.

― Dr M (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 21:41 (seventeen years ago) link

it is kinda similar to the finger-tapping/endless soloing trope of electric guitarists, except that post 70s none of that shit was even remotely popular. whereas this has become the dominant vocal style of pop music.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 21:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Emotionless except when Stevie does it (which, admittedly, isn't anywhere near as often as people like J-Hud).

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 21:43 (seventeen years ago) link

I had no idea there was a NAME for it! That shit drives me crazy.

― Laurel (Laurel), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 21:43 (seventeen years ago) link

guitar solos might suck a lot too, but they don't necessarily pretend to be about anything

― nuneb (nuneb), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 21:46 (seventeen years ago) link

and I'll bet they're more frequently lyrical in their appointed role

― nuneb (nuneb), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 21:47 (seventeen years ago) link

Anything notable abt Jamie Foxx' performance?

No. He was far more charismatic in Miami Vice, if that says anything.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 21:48 (seventeen years ago) link

When did this thread turn into ilm?

― The Many Faces of Gordon Jump (Leon), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 21:49 (seventeen years ago) link

It's appropriate in the sense that I think the film's biggest shortcoming is its lame music.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 21:50 (seventeen years ago) link

No. He was far more charismatic in Miami Vice, if that says anything.

he was playing a cold dude! his was the only role that called for understatement and he was understated. I thought he was good.

I don't have an opinion on melisma in the abstract, but Jennifer Hudson did not sound emotionless when she employed it, for god's sake.

― horseshoe (horseshoe), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 21:51 (seventeen years ago) link

Melisma allows the pitchfork set something to get all Andy Rooney about.

― The Many Faces of Gordon Jump (Leon), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 21:54 (seventeen years ago) link

in my day a singer just sang the song and didn't do all that ooowowoohaohyeeeahowhaohwha bullshit *grumble grumble*

― Shakey Old Man (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 21:55 (seventeen years ago) link

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