thanks for the tip! I won't make it but perhaps there's an attendant catalogue? No doubt that show was huge--there's a bit in a book on the G7 with one of them describing taking the road trip to go see that show--I think it was in Buffalo-- with (maybe) MacDonald waxing rapturously upon return. Anyway, sounds like one of many great shows right now (the Pacific Standard Time suite is drawing my attention the greatest).
― juche de noel (Tours of Armageddon (Karaoke Version)), Thursday, 22 December 2011 00:19 (twelve years ago) link
As a Canadian and an art student (hence as someone who has been bombarded with Go7 since long before I expressed any interest in art), your collective enthusiasm for them is just so foreign to me.
― edb, Thursday, 22 December 2011 00:22 (twelve years ago) link
i hadn't even heard about them until recently
― silvana mangano, Thursday, 22 December 2011 00:32 (twelve years ago) link
interesting perspective edb. I hadn't any idea about them at all, no one in any school, teacher or student, had ever mentioned them, nor had I encountered them in any museum or gallery.
― juche de noel (Tours of Armageddon (Karaoke Version)), Thursday, 22 December 2011 00:42 (twelve years ago) link
lol I'd never heard of them till my gf was working on this exhibition
― max max max max, Thursday, 22 December 2011 00:44 (twelve years ago) link
as I said it was reading about doig maybe 6 or 7 yrs that tipped me off abt them, but that was only in passing. Looks like their moment has returned?
― juche de noel (Tours of Armageddon (Karaoke Version)), Thursday, 22 December 2011 00:46 (twelve years ago) link
edb we have to read this really good essay abt alys for one of my classes you should read it. i mean i have some problems with him but this kindof articulates them better than i could
― judith, Thursday, 22 December 2011 01:05 (twelve years ago) link
Oooh what it it?
― edb, Thursday, 22 December 2011 07:05 (twelve years ago) link
those prints look kinda like backgrounds from cartoons
― sarahel, Thursday, 22 December 2011 07:15 (twelve years ago) link
like you could just photoshop in Yogi Bear or something
what are you trying to say?
― youtube cover, Thursday, 22 December 2011 07:29 (twelve years ago) link
Ha, Go7 does have a bit of a hanna barberra aesthetic to it. (And yeah, in canada they're seen as a major cultural treasure, such that pretty much everyone learns about them.)
Also, I could really use critical insight on Alys because right now my biggest criticism of his work is that he looks a lot like Billy Baldwin (that only started as a criticism because at first I thought he looked like stephen baldwin, which I found off-putting. GIS suggests he's the spitting image of billy though, and as someone who enjoyed the 75% of backdraft I saw on tv last year, I can accept that.)
― edb, Thursday, 22 December 2011 07:48 (twelve years ago) link
xp - what are you trying to say?
― sarahel, Thursday, 22 December 2011 07:50 (twelve years ago) link
Group of Seven is def hot right now (at least in borderline trendy-art canada)
― rrrobyn, Thursday, 22 December 2011 08:17 (twelve years ago) link
― edb, Thursday, December 22, 2011 12:22 AM (13 hours ago)
lol yeah canadians are always "lol what? about the go7"
― judith, Thursday, 22 December 2011 14:11 (twelve years ago) link
oh also the francis alys piece i read was called the 1:1 map by eyal weizmann. the 1:1 map is an idea that's been coming up for me a lot and weirdly he doesn't mention borges or lewis carroll in it but it is a p good essay. it was in one of my course readers but if you can't find it i could maybe scan it for you over christmas its really short
― judith, Friday, 23 December 2011 01:56 (twelve years ago) link
Ha! I read that a few days ago: it was by and large the best text on Alys I've read, and the only one that brings up interesting problems (albeit within the very specific context of that specific Green line work - but that's exactly what I'm writing on, and those are problems I'm going to address anyways). I'm kind of curious (since I only recently figured out who you are) about the Eyal Weizman presence at Goldsmiths - between one UCL professor who's a total stan of his, and classmates that did their BA at Goldsmiths, he's suddenly become kind of ubiquitous for me.
Also, re: this thread. I've been thinking about Alighiero and Boetti over the last few days.http://www.artvalue.com/image.aspx?PHOTO_ID=2562121&width=500&height=500
― edb, Friday, 23 December 2011 02:42 (twelve years ago) link
woah i'm tight with Elijah, he's a lovely guy. his show at my friend margaret's gallery is great, up til january!!!
for some reason, i think it's because i got a postcard, but i've been thinking about Imogen Cunningham. weird, i know.
― souslatablelaplage, Friday, 23 December 2011 03:28 (twelve years ago) link
yeah i'm auditing a class he originally outlined but its now given by one of his phd students with eyal kindof dropping in from time to time but i have to read this for another class i'm taking which is all bout "mapping" and "counter-cartographies". i think its just that he's been writing consistently about these things for quite a while and now they're ultra hip topics.
― judith, Friday, 23 December 2011 18:37 (twelve years ago) link
guys i've never heard of any of these people
how do i get myself into this loop of visual artist
― Stevie :-D, Sunday, 25 December 2011 05:17 (twelve years ago) link
I'm still trying to figure that out myself.
Watch the Art21 Series? It's not incredibly entertaining, but very informative in this respect.
― edb, Sunday, 25 December 2011 09:02 (twelve years ago) link
i think just like go to shows, read magazines/blogs its like anything.
― judith, Sunday, 25 December 2011 17:22 (twelve years ago) link
so what mags/blogs do y'all usually read? i just recently discovered this excellent LA-based art blog: http://www.eastofborneo.org/
i also read art fag city, hyperallergic and modern art notes on the regular. they each kinda cover different areas tho (AFC is largely about NYC galleries, HA is international in scope and does a lot of coverage of street/graffiti/political art, MAN mostly covers US museums). triple canopy's art coverage is usually pretty good too. and yeah can't go wrong w/ reading yr local mags for gallery/museum reviews
― silvana mangano, Sunday, 25 December 2011 17:33 (twelve years ago) link
i used to have an artforum subscription but it's exhausting to flip through all those gallery ads
― silvana mangano, Sunday, 25 December 2011 17:35 (twelve years ago) link
I can't stand Artforum; none of it makes any sense to me. judy what blogs do you read?
― Stevie :-D, Sunday, 25 December 2011 17:38 (twelve years ago) link
i read greg.org and twocoatsofpaint i like artforum compared to a lot of the big magazines. i mean its like fairly content free but good writing does pop up and they cover everything thats big. also reading schjeldahl in the new yorker or the new york times art feed. there's an irish one called showerofkunst and i always keep an eye on contemporaryartdaily for tipoffs of things I might not have heard someone else talking about (also regularly checking all the websites for the bigger london galleries and i mean this all sounds like a full time job but its just idle browsing for me to check this stuff)
― judith, Sunday, 25 December 2011 21:07 (twelve years ago) link
art fag city is so rubbish though, just endless streams of content and i added paddy johnson on facebook for some reason idk but its just like also she posts really dumb stuff and has really shallow opinions and seems to know a weirdly small amount about well art
― judith, Sunday, 25 December 2011 21:12 (twelve years ago) link
i tend to like the frivolous gossipy stuff on her site the best, plus the IMG MGMT series where she has guest artists contribute posts is typically quality
― silvana mangano, Sunday, 25 December 2011 21:20 (twelve years ago) link
oh yeah contemporaryartdaily has terrific photo documentation of shows
― silvana mangano, Sunday, 25 December 2011 21:22 (twelve years ago) link
its just really the best "oh yeah this is on" blog by far
― judith, Sunday, 25 December 2011 21:53 (twelve years ago) link
I've been trying to find an art magazine that's a middleground between Juxtapoz (yawn-inducing street art) and Artforum (yawn-inducing contemporary art for rich people). No luck so far.
― milo z, Sunday, 25 December 2011 21:55 (twelve years ago) link
My bf really likes Bomb. What's that like?
― Stevie :-D, Sunday, 25 December 2011 21:57 (twelve years ago) link
i don't keep up with new art nearly as much as i should. i can't look at contemporary art daily too much because it sometimes feels too sterile and repetitive. art fag city is mostly good for IMG MGMT, but i think paddy johnson is also one of the only art writers who pays much attention to internet art/new media stuff, aside from like the writers for rhizome. i knew about greg.org before and i have no idea why i haven't been reading it.
― 1staethyr, Sunday, 25 December 2011 22:00 (twelve years ago) link
idk what bomb is like but they have some pretty great archived interviews on their website. stephen westfall who is a seriously great painter has done a little bit of writing for them, the one he does with nan goldin is p hilair
― judith, Sunday, 25 December 2011 22:03 (twelve years ago) link
I think one of the things with these blogs - i.e. why I read them for a week, then forget to check them for over two months - is that a lot of it is kind of gossip for those already engaged, or at least doesn't offer much by way of entry for those who aren't. I'm guessing what's being asked for ways to stay engaged, which I've found much more by virtue of going to galleries than anything else. Though as I said, Art21 will give a good overview of many individual artists (but not art issues), and I think most of it is available on their website anyways.
― edb, Sunday, 25 December 2011 22:28 (twelve years ago) link
idk what bomb is like but they have some pretty great archived interviews on their website.
yeah this, i would subscribe to bomb if i lived in north america, the interviews are always v thoughtful & its archives are amazing (off topic but there's a bell hooks one about academic language that is crucial). idk what it's like as an arts journal but it's a v good publication.
― Never translate German (schlump), Sunday, 25 December 2011 22:34 (twelve years ago) link
always love joe strasser. can never find good representations of his work online, but we have perhaps six of his originals in the house.
http://www.stashgallery.com/images/strasser_8.gif http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2720/4427966810_25fd81c6ae.jpg
― Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 25 December 2011 22:34 (twelve years ago) link
not these ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ tho.
― Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 25 December 2011 22:35 (twelve years ago) link
Wait is the one with Goldin the one where she was totally bitchy and contradicted herself and just looked like a total ass?
― Stevie :-D, Sunday, 25 December 2011 22:58 (twelve years ago) link
yeah its p lol
― judith, Sunday, 25 December 2011 23:12 (twelve years ago) link
I dig Greg.org but I dont really "get" art
― max max max max, Monday, 26 December 2011 02:00 (twelve years ago) link
helen frankenthaler died!
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/28/arts/helen-frankenthaler-abstract-painter-dies-at-83.html
― max max max max, Tuesday, 27 December 2011 16:43 (twelve years ago) link
helen frankenthaler was still alive!
― judith, Tuesday, 27 December 2011 16:43 (twelve years ago) link
well not anymore i guess
― judith, Tuesday, 27 December 2011 16:44 (twelve years ago) link
up until this morning she was, at least
― max max max max, Tuesday, 27 December 2011 16:44 (twelve years ago) link
then after that, not
― judith, Tuesday, 27 December 2011 16:45 (twelve years ago) link
i always liked her paintings, they reminded me of late 70s singer-songwriter album covers
― max max max max, Tuesday, 27 December 2011 16:46 (twelve years ago) link
i always think of this fgt quote, even if it is p unfair the way he singles her out
" All art and all cultural production is political. I'll just give you an example. When you raise the question of political or art, people immediately jump and say, Barbara Kruger, Louise Lawler, Leon Golub, Nancy Spero, those are political artists. Then who are the non-political artists, as if that was possible at this point in history? Let's look at abstraction, and let's consider the most successful of those political artists, Helen Frankenthaler. Why are they the most successful political artists, even more than Kosuth, much more than Hans Haacke, much more than Nancy and Leon or Barbara Kruger? Because they don't look political! And as we know it's all about looking natural, it's all about being the normative aspect of whatever segment of culture we're dealing with, of life. That's where someone like Frankenthaler is the most politically successful artist when it comes to the political agenda that those works entail, because she serves a very clear agenda of the Right."
― judith, Tuesday, 27 December 2011 16:46 (twelve years ago) link
eh
― max max max max, Tuesday, 27 December 2011 16:52 (twelve years ago) link
yeah lol the 80s i guess
― judith, Tuesday, 27 December 2011 16:53 (twelve years ago) link
i wonder how many words have been written about frankenthaler and "femininity"
― max max max max, Tuesday, 27 December 2011 16:55 (twelve years ago) link
In re the group-of-seven aesthetic, reminds me a little of a young painter I saw recently in a group show, Lauren Warner. Really liked her stuff
http://dbprng00ikc2j.cloudfront.net/work/image/505729/mf2ji7/20111017210923-LowerTerrace.jpg
― Hurting, Tuesday, 27 December 2011 16:56 (twelve years ago) link
― max max max max, Tuesday, December 27, 2011 4:55 PM (28 seconds ago)
i imagine this is at least in part what he is referring to.
― judith, Tuesday, 27 December 2011 16:57 (twelve years ago) link
This one is gorgeous:
http://www.mfa.org/sites/default/files/images/Daisy-geyser.crop_.jpg
― Hurting, Tuesday, 27 December 2011 16:57 (twelve years ago) link
indeed xp
― max max max max, Tuesday, 27 December 2011 16:57 (twelve years ago) link
That FGT quote always confused me because I've never known how Helen Frankenthaler is a political artist, or whether he's referring to post-war abstract painting in general.
That said, I feel like 75% of the time when I hear about artists passing away, my reaction is the appropriate variation of "helen frankenthaler was still alive!"
― edb, Tuesday, 27 December 2011 18:10 (twelve years ago) link
there's some good stuff in this slideshow
http://www.artinfo.com/news/story/754706/modern-painters-presents-100-artists-to-watch-part-3-of-5
― silvana mangano, Thursday, 29 December 2011 17:14 (twelve years ago) link