Ok, now the House Republicans have voted down the 2 month payroll tax extension. Will they succeed in getting even more things added to a year long bill via Dems caving or will Dems actually stay strong(although they have already dropped the millionaires surcharge tax and agreed to the quicker pipeline decision)
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal/2011_12/gop_scuttles_bipartisan_deal_o034225.php
― Another Suburbanite, Tuesday, 20 December 2011 20:33 (twelve years ago) link
inclusion of 'over chicken sandwiches' somehow incredibly undermining & damning, while keeping neutral nyt tone
― Never translate German (schlump), Tuesday, 20 December 2011 22:03 (twelve years ago) link
Dems are not gonna cave on this, it's too much of a coup politically to make Boehner eat shit (again)
― aesthetic partisan (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 20 December 2011 22:08 (twelve years ago) link
also Boehner = worst speaker ever? I cannot recall another speaker in my lifetime who was so shitty at counting the votes of his own caucus.
― aesthetic partisan (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 20 December 2011 22:09 (twelve years ago) link
It's an inchoate bunch, this group.
― Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 20 December 2011 23:08 (twelve years ago) link
watching the Senate dems pwn Boehner is a source of almost sadistic pleasure - dude has wanted the job he's got for so long and they're just hanging him out to dry without breaking any visible sweat
― undervalued aerosmith tchotchkes sold in bulk, Tuesday, 20 December 2011 23:19 (twelve years ago) link
it is pretty funny, yes
― OH NOES, Tuesday, 20 December 2011 23:21 (twelve years ago) link
would be funnier if Reid and Obama just went straight to negotiating with Cantor in the future
― aesthetic partisan (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 20 December 2011 23:25 (twelve years ago) link
Let's just say it's taken the Senate Dems long enough to play nasty.
― Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 20 December 2011 23:27 (twelve years ago) link
well I'm not entirely sure they saw this coming and deliberately passed something they knew he couldn't muster the votes for - but now that Boehner's in this situ they're obviously going to play hardball, they have nothing to lose
― aesthetic partisan (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 20 December 2011 23:35 (twelve years ago) link
that reminds me, i saw al franken on local morning sunday tv a week or so ago. i guess he was on because he organized a secret santa thing in the senate and it made the news.
the host was like "do you think this will help collegiality? do you think it will improve things in the payroll tax cut debate?" and he was like "yup, it's gonna solve the whole thing."
― slandblox goole, Tuesday, 20 December 2011 23:36 (twelve years ago) link
lol
― aesthetic partisan (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 20 December 2011 23:36 (twelve years ago) link
Matt Damon be angry at Obama.
― Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 16:23 (twelve years ago) link
How come Ralph Nader never runs for president anymore? We need more options!
― billy goat, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 17:28 (twelve years ago) link
good post
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 21 December 2011 17:33 (twelve years ago) link
Do you really think the Republican'ts and the Demorats represent all of America? They don't represent me!
― billy goat, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 17:36 (twelve years ago) link
so you're represented by left-leaning racists; good to know
― OH NOES, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 17:37 (twelve years ago) link
What are you talking about? You don't know what I believe in! I'm not a racist!
― billy goat, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 17:42 (twelve years ago) link
― HOOS aka driver of steen, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 17:50 (twelve years ago) link
valuable poster
― that wiener from Emearlds (step hen faps), Wednesday, 21 December 2011 18:03 (twelve years ago) link
LBJ was literally incapable of pronouncing "negro" without transforming it into the n-word. He also signed the Civil Rights Act and Voting Rights Act.
― Aimless, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 18:14 (twelve years ago) link
My point being, actions speak louder than words, and measuring a public figure's racism is a tricky business.
― Aimless, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 18:20 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibsP6XN2dIo
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/jun/25/nader-critical-of-obama-for-trying-to-talk-white/
― OH NOES, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 18:42 (twelve years ago) link
sometimes it isn't very tricky at all
― OH NOES, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 18:43 (twelve years ago) link
The satraps of Wall Street tut-tut the House's antics.
― Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 18:47 (twelve years ago) link
Shep's "....really." OTM
xpost
― that wiener from Emearlds (step hen faps), Wednesday, 21 December 2011 18:47 (twelve years ago) link
Asked to clarify whether he thought Obama does try to "talk white," Nader said: "Of course. "I mean, first of all, the number one thing that a black American politician aspiring to the presidency should be is to candidly describe the plight of the poor, especially in the inner cities and the rural areas, and have a very detailed platform about how the poor is going to be defended by the law, is going to be protected by the law, and is going to be liberated by the law," Nader said. "Haven't heard a thing."
jeez, dan. this is horrible. nader thought that a black candidate for president ought to forthrightly address some specific issues that affect blacks and he thought it was cuet to characterize avoiding these issues as "talking white". ok, so it wasn't as cuet as he thought. let's all throw rotten eggs at him.
― Aimless, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 18:53 (twelve years ago) link
Nader's too smart not to know that you don't use "Uncle Tom" in any context about a black man.
― Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 18:56 (twelve years ago) link
Actually, Nader seems entirely tone deaf in that regard. But I've argued before that ignorance and racism need to be seen as connected, but not identical. This argument usually gets no sympathy in ilx. I continue to agree with myself on this, even if no one else here does.
― Aimless, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 19:02 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/21/scott-walker-recall-kochsucker_n_1163033.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000003
<3
― v-whiney (Cuauhtemoc Blanco), Wednesday, 21 December 2011 19:16 (twelve years ago) link
Actually, Nader seems entirely tone deaf in that regard.
fixed.
I still have no regrets about supporting him in 2000.
― Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 19:17 (twelve years ago) link
One further observation: there is no such thing as being too smart not to know something. One's exposure to any subject is not predictable by examining one's intelligence. Nader was raised in a segregated America. Most ilxors were not. Given his background, Nader probably has the same vague and generalized set of ideas about race that are the common property of liberals his age.
― Aimless, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 19:20 (twelve years ago) link
Me neither, people said it was Nader's fault that Bush was president for eight years but it was important to send a message! And people got that message!
― billy goat, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 19:21 (twelve years ago) link
somehow I suspect that this phone call didn't go QUITE as reported
― aesthetic partisan (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 21 December 2011 20:33 (twelve years ago) link
The GOP will cave, ABC News reports.
― Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 20:34 (twelve years ago) link
― billy goat, Wednesday, December 21, 2011 2:21 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Permalink
I literally wrote "suggest ban" with a sharpie on the screen of my laptop above this post just so I could click it
― undervalued aerosmith tchotchkes sold in bulk, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 21:59 (twelve years ago) link
I don't know what you're talking about but Aerosmith rocks!
― billy goat, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 22:03 (twelve years ago) link
― flexidisc, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 22:03 (twelve years ago) link
http://blog.zap2it.com/pop2it/Aerosmith-Steve-Tyler-tour.jpg
― that wiener from Emearlds (step hen faps), Wednesday, 21 December 2011 22:05 (twelve years ago) link
how could you possibly read NADER'S ACTUAL WORDS and come to this conclusion, glossing over the overt, blatant "he isn't really black because he isn't talking about the issues that I, a rich white man, think he should be talking about"
― OH NOES, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 22:08 (twelve years ago) link
it is really never excusable for anyone to call anyone an "Uncle Tom"
― that wiener from Emearlds (step hen faps), Wednesday, 21 December 2011 22:12 (twelve years ago) link
unless that person is actually your uncle named Tom
even then
― undervalued aerosmith tchotchkes sold in bulk, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 22:15 (twelve years ago) link
call him "Tio Tommy" or something, ixnay on the uncle-hey om-tay
Furthermore, it is pretty easy to tell the difference between ignorance and actual bigotry; when the offensive remark is pointed out to the person and they are mortified and apologetic, that person said something out of ignorance. When the person doubles down and says "I meant exactly that and here's why," that is unambiguously bigoted. Bigotry expressed along racial lines is an expression of racism. It's not that difficult to understand.
xp: my godfather is "Uncle Tommy", I never realized why until high school
― OH NOES, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 22:16 (twelve years ago) link
there's actually a character named 'uncle tom' in p.g. wodehouse's 'code of the woosters' and it pulls me up short every time he's mentioned.
― j.d. again, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 22:35 (twelve years ago) link
Wow, Obama allowing EPA to go ahead with mercury limits...although Republican Senator Inhofe is vowing to try to prevent them from being fully implemented
http://green.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/12/21/e-p-a-announces-mercury-limits/?hp
The Environmental Protection Agency introduced new standards on Wednesday sharply limiting emissions of mercury and other toxic pollutants from the nation’s 1,400 coal- and oil-burning power plants.
If and when the new rule takes effect, it will be the first time the federal government has enforced limits on mercury, arsenic, acid gases and other poisonous and carcinogenic chemicals emitted by the burning of fossil fuels.
Lisa P. Jackson, the E.P.A. administrator, said that the regulations, which have taken more than 20 years to formulate, would save thousands of lives and return financial benefits many times their estimated $9.6 billion annual cost....
Senator James Inhofe of Oklahoma, the senior Republican on the Environment and Public Works Committee, vowed to block the new regulation.
“Sadly, this rule isn’t about public health,” he said in a statement. “It is a thinly veiled electricity tax that continues the Obama administration’s war on affordable energy and is the latest in an unprecedented barrage of regulations that make up E.P.A.’s job-killing regulatory agenda.
― Another Suburbanite, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 22:40 (twelve years ago) link
Inhofe is one of the stupidest people in the Senate
― aesthetic partisan (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 21 December 2011 22:44 (twelve years ago) link
how goes the war on affordable energy, comrade?
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 22:44 (twelve years ago) link
we will not rest until the last oil baron is strangled with the entrails of the last American worker
― aesthetic partisan (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 21 December 2011 22:45 (twelve years ago) link