He admitted saying it (whatever it was) but the way it was reported as hingeing on semantics and cultural connotations made me think it was going to be a 'slightly guilty', if that.
It doesn't leave much wriggle room on Terry, anyway.
― Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 20 December 2011 20:21 (twelve years ago) link
def. feel vindicated making that 'who will have a more lol liverpool career' poll in february now, even if ronan was annoyed by the audacity of thinking suarez and carroll could be lol
― big popppa hoy, Tuesday, 20 December 2011 20:22 (twelve years ago) link
The statement said they are going to provide reasons for the verdict "in due course"
― Number None, Tuesday, 20 December 2011 20:22 (twelve years ago) link
This isn't very lol tbh.
― Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 20 December 2011 20:23 (twelve years ago) link
I don't think Suarez' defense could've been "cultural differences" tbh. He's playing in England.
"It doesn't leave much wriggle room on Terry, anyway."
This warms my heart tbh
― lebateauivre, Tuesday, 20 December 2011 20:23 (twelve years ago) link
I'm not loling but he's a deeply unpleasant character and i'm not losing any sleep over this
― Number None, Tuesday, 20 December 2011 20:24 (twelve years ago) link
i'm telling you, terry's denial will be a major factor in nothing happening there
suarez admitted to using 'negro' iirc? wasn't that common knowledge?
― delonge and winding refn (p much resigned to deems), Tuesday, 20 December 2011 20:24 (twelve years ago) link
So clue me in, can Suarez now face criminal prosecution too?
― lebateauivre, Tuesday, 20 December 2011 20:26 (twelve years ago) link
very unlikely that evra pushes for that, am not sure if anyone else can do so
― delonge and winding refn (p much resigned to deems), Tuesday, 20 December 2011 20:27 (twelve years ago) link
Yes xp, but if he was speaking Spanish then it'd be different. I don't know what language he was speaking.
He could theoretically be prosecuted, but the verdict reads quite weakly so I wouldn't expect that to be a realistic outcome.
― Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 20 December 2011 20:28 (twelve years ago) link
It's not Evra's call, it's for the police & CPS. But they need a complaint first and so far as I am aware there hasn't been one (unlike Terry)
― Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 20 December 2011 20:29 (twelve years ago) link
john terry was speaking english, i'm not sure that's relevant tbph IK
― delonge and winding refn (p much resigned to deems), Tuesday, 20 December 2011 20:30 (twelve years ago) link
oh that's a beaut
Kean must stay.
― Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 20 December 2011 20:30 (twelve years ago) link
Think it was supposed to have been 'negrito', maybe he argued that the diminutive form was especially affectionate/harmless? At least in an S. American context.
― boxall, Tuesday, 20 December 2011 20:30 (twelve years ago) link
see yon wee black cunt
― delonge and winding refn (p much resigned to deems), Tuesday, 20 December 2011 20:31 (twelve years ago) link
Relevant insofar as it'd have a different meaning in Spanish, is what I mean. I'm sure racist abuse in Spanish could equally be prosecuted.
― Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 20 December 2011 20:31 (twelve years ago) link
i dunno, it is p lol that liverpool bought a dude like suarez, as if shit like this wasn't going to happen.
cya all post-downtime, let's hope shearer is in by then.
― big popppa hoy, Tuesday, 20 December 2011 20:35 (twelve years ago) link
Suarez on twitter:
"Today is a very difficult and painful day for both me and my family. Thanks for all the support, I'll keep working!"
― lebateauivre, Tuesday, 20 December 2011 21:51 (twelve years ago) link
kennethdalglish Kenneth DalglishVery disappointed with today's verdict. This is the time when @luis16suarez needs our full support. Let's not let him walk alone. KD
― awesome to have a clever englishman zinging yr enemies (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 20 December 2011 22:06 (twelve years ago) link
That club statement isn't hanging back.
― Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 20 December 2011 22:08 (twelve years ago) link
ffs Liverpool, we've been over this.
It is also our opinion that the accusation by this particular player was not credible - certainly no more credible than his prior unfounded accusations.
― Number None, Tuesday, 20 December 2011 22:15 (twelve years ago) link
He has played with black players and mixed with their families whilst with the Uruguay national side and was Captain at Ajax Amsterdam of a team with a proud multi-cultural profile, many of whom became good friends
― awesome to have a clever englishman zinging yr enemies (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 20 December 2011 22:17 (twelve years ago) link
the american liverpool fans I know are v fucking annoying right now with their #freeluissuarez tags and whatnot
― v-whiney (Cuauhtemoc Blanco), Tuesday, 20 December 2011 22:26 (twelve years ago) link
actually that's probably not something limited to the usa is it
― v-whiney (Cuauhtemoc Blanco), Tuesday, 20 December 2011 22:27 (twelve years ago) link
I'm dreading finding out.
― Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 20 December 2011 22:28 (twelve years ago) link
I've seen some of the choicer RAWK posts
― Number None, Tuesday, 20 December 2011 22:30 (twelve years ago) link
theyve freed nelson mandela, might as well look into suarez now too
― awesome to have a clever englishman zinging yr enemies (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 20 December 2011 22:31 (twelve years ago) link
looking forward to the EDL coming out in support of Luis Suarez
― Nemanja Vmić (Julie Lagger), Tuesday, 20 December 2011 22:32 (twelve years ago) link
to be fair nobody appart from evra heard it, so he's been banned for 8 matches on one person's word. which seems strange to say the least.
― jim in glasgow, Tuesday, 20 December 2011 22:40 (twelve years ago) link
the assumption is that he's admitted saying something but denied that he meant it offensively
― Nemanja Vmić (Julie Lagger), Tuesday, 20 December 2011 22:42 (twelve years ago) link
will the text of the proceedings or judgement be made public?
― cccccc, Tuesday, 20 December 2011 22:49 (twelve years ago) link
pretty sure dictatorships dont bother with those niceties
― awesome to have a clever englishman zinging yr enemies (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 20 December 2011 22:54 (twelve years ago) link
www.amnesty.org.uk/freeluis
― awesome to have a clever englishman zinging yr enemies (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 20 December 2011 22:55 (twelve years ago) link
They said reasons would follow in due course but I imagine details will probably be leaked everywhere by tomorrow. It'll definitely be appealed too.
― Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 20 December 2011 22:57 (twelve years ago) link
after what they done to a man like degsy hatton too
― delonge and winding refn (p much resigned to deems), Tuesday, 20 December 2011 23:03 (twelve years ago) link
http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/8498/daemspreviewiz2.png
― awesome to have a clever englishman zinging yr enemies (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 20 December 2011 23:06 (twelve years ago) link
Except he admitted saying 'it'* himself. It's not that there was any dispute about that, the dispute was about whether 'it' was intended as a racist insult to wind up the opposition, or a jovial term of endearment as used in Uruguay between good old buddies who were just having a bit of banter together. Suarez claimed the latter, saying 'it' was what Evra's own teammates called him.
*'it' appears to have been 'negro', rather than 'negrito' (as reported a while ago)
Disclaimer: obviously I wasn't there, didn't here anything, and have no idea what the intent was
― The Artist Formerly Known As Teh HoBB, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 00:05 (twelve years ago) link
The more i think about it the more ill-considered that statement from Liverpool seems. I mean they've essentially libelled Evra.
― Number None, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 00:09 (twelve years ago) link
1) Gah - 'here' = 'hear'
2) NN - yes, quite. Those 'prior unfounded allegations' consisting of....what? The Chelsea lawn mower comment that was never attributed to Evra and.....nothing?
― The Artist Formerly Known As Teh HoBB, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 00:13 (twelve years ago) link
And the Finnan incident?
― Chris, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 00:17 (twelve years ago) link
Which was a complaint from some lip-reading fans. C'mon Chris
― Number None, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 00:19 (twelve years ago) link
I know mate, I was just filling in the blank at the end of the previous post.
― Chris, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 00:20 (twelve years ago) link
Fair enough, any thoughts on the statement yourself?
― Number None, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 00:21 (twelve years ago) link
im just glad that this whole incident is now settled and can't disrupt the peaceful and friendly atmosphere that has hithero prevailed around east lancs derbies
― awesome to have a clever englishman zinging yr enemies (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 21 December 2011 00:31 (twelve years ago) link
Amen to that.
― The Artist Formerly Known As Teh HoBB, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 00:32 (twelve years ago) link
This is the thing. Is the FA sure beyond reasonable doubt of the context in which he said what he's supposed to have said? I dunno. That "prior unfounded accusations" thing is disappointing though - pisses me off the number of people who've referred to those incidents.
― Chris, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 00:35 (twelve years ago) link
That's the thing, it seems insane to me that an organization which obviously has access to the kind of legal advice that Liverpool does would release a statement like that. Why not put out a simple, terse announcement of their intent to appeal?
― Number None, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 00:38 (twelve years ago) link
cuz they are taking their lead from dalglish?
― awesome to have a clever englishman zinging yr enemies (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 21 December 2011 00:40 (twelve years ago) link
xposts to myself. That "I dunno" was a tired, generic, confused "dunno" - surely the FA must be certain beyond reasonable doubt for them to have found Suarez guilty. But then why would Liverpool make a statement like that?
Ngog played well tonight.
― Chris, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 00:49 (twelve years ago) link