black metal krew's reaction to hhh is obnoxious (you are part of a music with a shitty history and you would like that... honored and preserved?) but then hhh is totally obnoxious too
id agree with that, i do like the album though.
― Anyone need a (Jimmy Riddle), Tuesday, 20 December 2011 19:33 (twelve years ago) link
Well yeah, I'm not 100% on board with everything HHH says but, otoh, I do like the idea of someone thinking about (meaning on an intellectual level) and approaching black metal from a new direction. Because, ffs, as much as those clowns want to hate on "hipster metal", this recent wave of American black metal bands (Liturgy, Krallice, WITTR, among others) has been a welcome change in a genre that had grown stale as fuck.
― shakur rump (I left my login in El Sandboxo), Tuesday, 20 December 2011 19:50 (twelve years ago) link
Liturgy are doing some unique stuff but in what way are Krallice and WITTR a change, apart that journos don't have to travel intercontinental anymore to do a face to face interview? Musically, it's yr standard 50% Burzum/50% Darkthrone blend that's been doing the rounds for fifteen years now. And mind you I like WITTR quite a bit, they do it well.
― Siegbox, Tuesday, 20 December 2011 23:07 (twelve years ago) link
i don't think it's really fair to put krallice in that category!
― cad, Tuesday, 20 December 2011 23:43 (twelve years ago) link
the drummer was good but now he is gone.
yeah this worries me
― Armin Tamzarian (ok), Tuesday, 20 December 2011 23:56 (twelve years ago) link
I don't hear any similarities between Krallice and Liturgy. Or WITTR and Liturgy. Or Meshuggah or any other band they get compared to as being a hipster version of.
They sound like This Heat s/t, or Neurosis "Times of Grace", or Rhys Chatham, or a Laddio Bolocko track the title of which escapes me. Aside from a couple of moments, the album is riff-free. There's nothing "rock" about it, it's billowy and dynamic. Greg's drumming, to my ears, seems to be the only noticeable joining element between Liturgy's music and metal-- all artwork, manifestos, lyrics and other extra-musical shit aside.
It totally sucks for Liturgy that Greg's left but I look forward to hearing more from Guardian Alien.
― oPal, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 00:17 (twelve years ago) link
I wasn't trying to say that I think any of those three (Liturgy, WITTR, Krallice) sound like each other, just more that they sort of seem to represent the vanguard of current strains of American black metal. I really disagree with Siegbox though, I don't think these guys are just recycling some formula from old black metal. They most definitely dram inspiration from Burzum and Darkthrone, but I think WITRR add a more American twist on the foresty ambiance while Krallice incorporate a twisted take on Guitar Center wankery that was missing from that older stuff.
― shakur rump (I left my login in El Sandboxo), Wednesday, 21 December 2011 01:09 (twelve years ago) link
Obviously there's almost twenty years between this batch of bands (also including Ash Borer, Skagos, Austere, Woods of Desolation, etc so not all US), production & songwriting tricks have somewhat evolved and they all have their own signature riffs/melodies/interludes, but I must say it's a pretty narrow and beaten path all these bands are walking. Again, not saying it's a bad thing.
― Siegbox, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 20:56 (twelve years ago) link
between DT/B and this batch of bands
― Siegbox, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 20:57 (twelve years ago) link