Personally, I would be. I'm surprised this wasn't done through some big auction house or something that vets bidders....
― jw (ex machina), Sunday, 3 December 2006 19:26 (seventeen years ago) link
― grady (grady), Sunday, 3 December 2006 19:51 (seventeen years ago) link
we're in six didgits now.
high bidder bought some home-gym and a violent femmes cd latley.
― grady (grady), Sunday, 3 December 2006 19:53 (seventeen years ago) link
― .... (50 Bourbon St), Sunday, 3 December 2006 19:56 (seventeen years ago) link
― grbchv! (gbx), Sunday, 3 December 2006 20:02 (seventeen years ago) link
My understanding is that Eric and his friend *wanted* it to sell to a record label and give it a good home. As they early articles about the acetate surfaced and interest mounted, they shopped it to several labels and I think they were in last minute negotiations with one excellent reissue label, when that fell apart due to the sudden appearance of that crummy sounding Japanese bootleg. The idea being that the material had hit the marketplace and was then not something the hardcore fans would never have heard, even if in inferior quality.
Eric doesn't have a computer; he has to go to the co-op bike shop down the block and use theirs. I was in his shop yesterday and he was clearly really bummed out by the whole "eBay chicken" thing -- he is one of the raddest people and has immaculate cred. in the record buying/ selling community (not to mention his vinyl only record label is fucking ACES -- and as a caveat or whatever, we're doing an Anglin Bros. reissue together and getting started on a of Tony Schwartz collection). Dude is old school but not ridiculous about it; he never checks popsike or gemm before pricing his records, as far as I know.
Anyway, I guess my point is that I'm sure that no one would have guessedd this thing would get so out of hand. I think they thought this would be the most fair way to sell this thing, to just let the market decide or whatever. Eric's getting bombarded with hate mail over this thing and he can't figure why -- he's just helping his friend sell this record that the dude found, you know?
Now it's over a hundred thousand?! I guess it's more eBay chicken? Fucking bummer.
― Mike McGGGGGGGG (yetimike), Sunday, 3 December 2006 20:06 (seventeen years ago) link
― sleeve (sleeve), Sunday, 3 December 2006 21:09 (seventeen years ago) link
fair would have been to approach libraries / colleges / other cultural institutions, if selling it to a record label didnt pan out! at the very least, the record could be properly preserved, archived and made available to the public for educational purposes. right now, that's certainly not the case.
― where are you taking us on this godforsaken cruise? (theoreticalgirl), Sunday, 3 December 2006 23:52 (seventeen years ago) link
PS- I found a picture of Maria blogging about this record:
http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0TAAlAOYYLQvbAtgNJJ7b4xkfKZhq*6gx*i0cF7VzIvFkvnonz17!j1!NReyP2vGP!lz8gvfrUhsA!xKhDwLk3qVyM80Vs6IhGstLPf0!3jX68LiDuC6qoA/idolgrab.jpg
― jw (ex machina), Monday, 4 December 2006 00:06 (seventeen years ago) link
― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Monday, 4 December 2006 00:59 (seventeen years ago) link
― esoj@w3rk (esoj@w3rk), Monday, 4 December 2006 01:00 (seventeen years ago) link
― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Monday, 4 December 2006 01:05 (seventeen years ago) link
― Tyrone Slothrop (Tyrone Slothrop), Monday, 4 December 2006 01:12 (seventeen years ago) link
What makes this money any different?
― jw (ex machina), Monday, 4 December 2006 01:26 (seventeen years ago) link
Dude, what kind of argument is this? Oh wait, it's not -- it's just you attacking me for the hell of it.
Do you want music to be researchable or not? 'Cause if you don't, there's no sense in universities spending the money on research about grime, mashups, rave or anything else. I never said that VU's recordings were any more or less important -- those are your implications/hangups. I think it would be great if artifacts from those genres/etc were preserved similarly.
― where are you taking us on this godforsaken cruise? (theoreticalgirl), Monday, 4 December 2006 01:31 (seventeen years ago) link
what i meant was: if you wanted any music available for academic / scholarly use. unfortunately, i was interrupted by a phone call.
― where are you taking us on this godforsaken cruise? (theoreticalgirl), Monday, 4 December 2006 01:36 (seventeen years ago) link
― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Monday, 4 December 2006 04:36 (seventeen years ago) link
if my university spent $10k on studying mp3 fucking mashup culture i would demand my tuition back. what the hell is wrong with you?
― hm (modestmickey), Monday, 4 December 2006 05:14 (seventeen years ago) link
― hm (modestmickey), Monday, 4 December 2006 05:17 (seventeen years ago) link
good thing you're not a yacht salesman. the guilt would be terrible :-/
also, wtf: What weirds me out is that instead of getting this record, the winner could finance someone going through a college, masters, and PhD program.
have you even been to college before??
― grbchv! (gbx), Monday, 4 December 2006 05:55 (seventeen years ago) link
― forksclovetofu (forksclovetofu), Monday, 4 December 2006 06:41 (seventeen years ago) link
US $105,600 and 75 cents was too much, was it?
So when is this going to stop? It can't be for real anymore, right?
― StanM (StanM), Monday, 4 December 2006 07:43 (seventeen years ago) link
legislating what other people 'should' do with stuff they are lucky enough to find, and to know what it is when they do, seems a tad crazy to me, and reeks to me of jealousy/ sour grapes.
sound quality issues aside, it's not like you can't hear these version if you want to, on the japanese bootleg.
― Mike McGonigal (yetimike), Monday, 4 December 2006 08:02 (seventeen years ago) link
― GAWD PVNCH (yournullfame), Monday, 4 December 2006 08:27 (seventeen years ago) link
So... this is really happening? I still think it's some kind of board invasion thing, but I haven't found the originating forum yet. (googling a couple of bidder names did lead to a forum the last time something big like this went down, but now, not yet)
― StanM (StanM), Monday, 4 December 2006 12:24 (seventeen years ago) link
― toby (tsg20), Monday, 4 December 2006 12:32 (seventeen years ago) link
"the only one of its kind"
What's the story of that Japanese bootleg, by the way? I know there's a leaked recording out there, with lots of hiss and vinyl crackles, so is that from another copy of this "one of its kind" album?
― StanM (StanM), Monday, 4 December 2006 12:36 (seventeen years ago) link
― StanM (StanM), Monday, 4 December 2006 12:38 (seventeen years ago) link
― StanM (StanM), Monday, 4 December 2006 12:39 (seventeen years ago) link
it just seems weird that they wouldn't even grab the audio from the record first, in a mastering studio or whatever. and THEN sell it. would that be "illegal" maybe? i mean there's nothing stopping the weiner winner from using it as a coaster for his collection of rare german beer steins.
― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Monday, 4 December 2006 12:43 (seventeen years ago) link
although, actually, I don't really care
― akm (akmonday), Monday, 4 December 2006 16:23 (seventeen years ago) link
― Carey (Carey), Monday, 4 December 2006 16:32 (seventeen years ago) link
― Carey (Carey), Monday, 4 December 2006 16:34 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 4 December 2006 16:35 (seventeen years ago) link
― GAWD PVNCH (yournullfame), Monday, 4 December 2006 16:44 (seventeen years ago) link
― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Monday, 4 December 2006 17:00 (seventeen years ago) link
― M Grout (Mark Grout), Monday, 4 December 2006 17:20 (seventeen years ago) link
― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Monday, 4 December 2006 17:22 (seventeen years ago) link
― Johnney B has zeros off the line (stigoftdumpilx), Monday, 4 December 2006 17:42 (seventeen years ago) link
http://tastetastetaste.blogspot.com/
― sleeve (sleeve), Monday, 4 December 2006 18:35 (seventeen years ago) link
What academic use is there for this? Seriously, spending $10 billion on big science pork grants is more useful. The only thing you can learn from a record like this is like "Lou Reed changed something OMG!@!!!" Furthermore, there even fucking exists a bootleg of this!!!
I'm totally attacking you!!! But you're the one who thinks it is a good idea for some money starved institution in the public interest to waste its money on a meaningless piece of acetate.
Indie rocker, go home.
― jw (ex machina), Monday, 4 December 2006 18:51 (seventeen years ago) link
― StanM (StanM), Monday, 4 December 2006 18:56 (seventeen years ago) link
i wrote my senior thesis on tony conrad, and there was a lot of stuff (obv.) about the velvet underground in it. i got an a, my project advisor said that i did "original and important" work about the fusing of avant-garde art music to that of pop music, and how that changed the culture of each.
― Tyrone Slothrop (Tyrone Slothrop), Monday, 4 December 2006 19:08 (seventeen years ago) link
― Louis Jagger (Scourage), Monday, 4 December 2006 19:15 (seventeen years ago) link
― Nu-Edward III (edward iii), Monday, 4 December 2006 19:17 (seventeen years ago) link
― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Monday, 4 December 2006 19:18 (seventeen years ago) link
not much. for an institution like the warhol museum, though, it'd be about having the physical object as part of the collection, not necessarily for "study."
― Tyrone Slothrop (Tyrone Slothrop), Monday, 4 December 2006 19:19 (seventeen years ago) link
― Mike McG (yetimike), Monday, 4 December 2006 19:34 (seventeen years ago) link
if it were in your hands, would YOU make a copy just for yourself before selling it?
and i'd surmise that the japanese bootleg is from a reel to reel, from a source very close to the original acetate, who only released it after the multiple hoo-hah about the acetate had reached a boiling point, to make a little $. just my guess though.
― Mike McG (yetimike), Monday, 4 December 2006 19:40 (seventeen years ago) link
After establishing the authenticity of Warren's find we photographed the item and made a high quality digital back-up copy of the material.
― milton parker (milton parker), Monday, 4 December 2006 19:49 (seventeen years ago) link