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The point being, he's shooting for plenty of effects, and falling terribly short. It feels like a bad movie script. There's empty language and imprecise language all over the place and he tries to justify it as somehow in the "real" voice of the character, except then the character comes busting loose with something like "finding myself impressed with his architectural vision" and you know that the voice is hopeless anyway.

So also it feels like an American actor slipping in and out of a poor, say, Scottish accent.

sterlclover, Wednesday, 29 November 2006 21:49 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost, ally links plz!

sterlclover, Wednesday, 29 November 2006 21:50 (seventeen years ago) link

He already established that it was an airplane that looked like a cricket -- the character doesn't need to keep calling it a cricket, either -- that's what people do when they don't know what it is, not when they just are reminded of something else.


I think it's an effective use of the parallel, it's a poetic image.
Other than that, yeah I agree with everything you said just about. Except for the pumping. And I think the "it" refers to the situation.

Mr. Que, Wednesday, 29 November 2006 21:52 (seventeen years ago) link

Go here and scroll down a ways sclover

http://rakesprogress.typepad.com/

Mr. Que, Wednesday, 29 November 2006 21:53 (seventeen years ago) link

the anniversary edition of Infinite Jest

These words actually cause me more pain than anything else on the thread. (Not because of 'oh how the time has gone' nonsense but because the concept is annoying.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 21:53 (seventeen years ago) link

Eggers jihad, you're right Ally. People hate that dude. He should just write his books and not do any press at all. No matter what he does, he'll step in shit. I think people can change their minds about books, and that's cool. But Eggers gets nailed to the cross because of who he is. The new intro is a total blow job, but deservedly so.

xpost: Seriously? Infinite Jest is mind blowingly awesome and I will buy you a copy for you to read, if you will agree to try to read it.

Mr. Que, Wednesday, 29 November 2006 21:56 (seventeen years ago) link

The concept of the 'anniversary edition' for something so recent, not the book itself, which I found for a buck years back and has been sitting patiently on my shelf since then. What did the publishers do, digitally remaster it with extra tracks?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 21:57 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh okay. I think the 10 year anniversary is just a b.s. marketing thing in a way. They probably had to reprint anyway, and I think they just want people to read it?

Mr. Que, Wednesday, 29 November 2006 22:01 (seventeen years ago) link

I should also mention, yeah, the "it" obv. means "the situation" but then why doesn't he just say that? And furthermore, what's the "but" in "but it was strange" there for? I mean weird cricket airplanes are coming out of the sky and everyone is curious and looking up and you need to qualify the fact that this was strange with a "but" as though outside of the rattling gunfire this was an everyday occurance?

sterlclover, Wednesday, 29 November 2006 22:04 (seventeen years ago) link

He needs an editor.

Mr.Que, Wednesday, 29 November 2006 22:05 (seventeen years ago) link

I really just couldn't make it through Infinite Jest at all, DFW bothers me as a novellist. A Supposedly Fun Thing I'll Never Do Again on the other hand is hilarious.

Allyzay "Doris Lessing" Eisenschefter, Wednesday, 29 November 2006 22:10 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, the short essays I've read from him are all a treat.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 22:13 (seventeen years ago) link

being a talk radio fan, HOST is one of the best things ive ever read.

grady (grady), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 22:14 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost

It took me two times, too. The first time was when it first came out, I gave up after 25 pages. Then I tried it like 5 years later when I had very little else to do and it kicked my ass. I've been thinking about big books a lot lately, you have to put up with a LOT of bullshit (boring sections that would go on for a page at the most in a normal size book stretch on for 10 pages in big books) but in the end it is soooooo worth it. But if you don't want to put up with the footnotes and stuff I can see where it's offputting and annoying.

Seriously it's a really really awesome, hilarious (very very very funny) book.

Mr. Que, Wednesday, 29 November 2006 22:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Allyzay "Doris Lessing" Eisenschefter

Okay, I missed the nickname at first there. (Am I the only one to have read all the books in the Canopus in Argos series?)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 22:16 (seventeen years ago) link

I tried reading Infinite Jest once at 17 and again at 23, and both times I gave up at around page 100. Love the essays, though.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 22:17 (seventeen years ago) link

I love DFW as an essayist, haven't picked up Infinite Jest since high school, when I made it through MAYBE 100 pages

xposts

grbchv! (gbx), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 22:18 (seventeen years ago) link

I just picked up Infinite Jest after about a year hiatus (I only read the first 100 pages), and am now charging through all 900 pages (footnotes and all) and am finding it terribly enjoyable.

molly (molly d), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 22:19 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm waiting until I'm 29.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 22:20 (seventeen years ago) link

It's the footnotes that drove me nuts! Maybe I will try it again, since it gets such high praise from MW and certainly I got used to dealing with footnotes during the nonsense that was school.

Allyzay is a town of people, people who DIED, Wednesday, 29 November 2006 22:21 (seventeen years ago) link

Take the 2 bookmark approach. It helps.

The first 100 pages are rough(the Canadian spies bored me senseless). But now I can't stop reading it, to be honest.

molly (molly d), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 22:22 (seventeen years ago) link

x-post -- You have to use footnotes there. It's required by law.

Ned Raggett is doing a little practice firing at the clouds (Ned), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 22:23 (seventeen years ago) link

The problem is that they're not even footnotes most of the time: they're endnotes. Nicholson Baker's The Mezzanine is like half composed of footnotes, but they're easy to digest because they're on the same page as the regular text. No flipping.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 22:23 (seventeen years ago) link

(Also: Baker's novella was written in like 1989 or something, and everyone acts like DFW invented footnotes seven years later.)

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 22:24 (seventeen years ago) link

The footnotes get fun after awhile. I had two bookmarks, one for my footnotes, one for the book. Keep in mind that DFW would probably be the first to admit that he is a rat bastard for using all those footnotes--he's intentionally manipulating you and probably cackling as he does. And seriously, possibly one of the funniest books ever.

Mr. Que, Wednesday, 29 November 2006 22:24 (seventeen years ago) link

my university library does not have a copy of Infinite Jest.


waht

grbchv! (gbx), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 22:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Interlibrary Loan to the rescue.

xpost- As for footnotes, the Filmography of James O. Incandenza is the best thing ever.

molly (molly d), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 22:26 (seventeen years ago) link

DUDE Molly yes. The Canadian spy sections are THE WORST. Apparently he wrote them last? He should have cut them.

yeah jaymc, I hear you. Poor Nicholson Baker.

Mr. Que, Wednesday, 29 November 2006 22:26 (seventeen years ago) link

Interlibrary Loan to the rescue.

I was going to say. (The desk is right behind me to the left.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 22:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Molly once again I can't agree with you more. The filmography is the greatest thing EVER.

Mr. Que, Wednesday, 29 November 2006 22:28 (seventeen years ago) link

DFW is a masterful writer whom some consider to be fatally flawed. But Eggers is just a hack.

Hurting (A-Ron Hubbard), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 22:34 (seventeen years ago) link

JACKPOT

I read somewhere that John Krasinski (Jim from The Office) is trying to put out a film version of Brief Interviews with Hideous Men.

molly (molly d), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 22:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Fun with Teeth!

Mr. Que, Wednesday, 29 November 2006 22:51 (seventeen years ago) link

Poultry in Motion!

molly (molly d), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 22:54 (seventeen years ago) link

These are all band names waiting to happen.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 22:55 (seventeen years ago) link

test

jed_, Wednesday, 29 November 2006 23:28 (seventeen years ago) link

sterlclover, of course it's your right to read anyway you choose, but I can't help but think that going through a book worrying about things like Why did they run "toward the school, screaming" instead of saying they "ran, screaming, toward the school". really has to ruin the reading experience.

In everyday conversation,I could say "She walked confidently down the street", "Confidently, she walked down the street", or "She walked down the street confidently". I'm sure one of those is more gramatically proper than another, but in the end, they all get the meaning across, they each have different rhythms that might sound more attractive at the moment of writing or saying it, so who cares?

It's like listening to music for notes that are out of the key instead of just letting yourself feel the emotion of it.

Zachary Scott, Wednesday, 29 November 2006 23:35 (seventeen years ago) link

Keep in mind that DFW would probably be the first to admit that he is a rat bastard for using all those footnotes--he's intentionally manipulating you and probably cackling as he does.

Reeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaallly? How deliciously perverse! (Sort of an essential part of the turn-off, personally.)

literalisp, Thursday, 30 November 2006 01:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Ahahah, if we needed to reprint INFINITE JEST, we would just do that. It'd be a hell of a lot cheaper than a whole new jacket and increased page count, that's for fuckin' sure.

Laurel (Laurel), Thursday, 30 November 2006 01:45 (seventeen years ago) link

"She walked confidently down the street", "Confidently, she walked down the street", or "She walked down the street confidently". I'm sure one of those is more gramatically proper than another

they all suck with the word 'confidently' in there

jergins (jergins), Thursday, 30 November 2006 02:02 (seventeen years ago) link

It's like listening to music for notes that are out of the key instead of just letting yourself feel the emotion of it.

Yeah, but out of key notes jump out at you, and so does bad writing. That's the whole point.

Hurting (A-Ron Hubbard), Thursday, 30 November 2006 02:30 (seventeen years ago) link

even back when little sterl read ij right when it came out i was somewhat dubious about its reread value even tho there were, as i recall, some very well executed passages. haven't followed his work since as much as i should. the essays i found for the most part pretty irritating in a sort of making-things-more-complicated-than-necessary way with the exception of the lynch one, which was v. sharp.

ij, the thing is, always felt as sprawly and adolescent as its main character, and i guess read as a book being about that its pretty good, but when ppl. try to read more into it is when i go batty and get more turned off dfw qua dfw than i should.

always liked that "westward path of the empire" short story tho, as well as some of the other material in "girl with the curious hair."

now onto the thing about eggers putting adverbs at the end of sentences, repeatedly, delimited by a comma. doing so adds finality, firmly. it's as though the thought is complete and then as a coda, there's the afterthought, dangling. doing so interrupts the flow in the middle of paragraphs, jarringly, pointlessly. also, it implies that the closing adverb isn't central to the thought which isn't the case in the screaming sentence, irritatingly.

sterlclover, Thursday, 30 November 2006 03:36 (seventeen years ago) link

It sounds like trash-novel writing, verily.

Hurting (A-Ron Hubbard), Thursday, 30 November 2006 03:39 (seventeen years ago) link

ok i note sometimes its the adverb and sometimes an adjective or even a clause, clarifying.

sterlclover, Thursday, 30 November 2006 03:41 (seventeen years ago) link

there are no design credits on "the children's hospital" so I don't know if stanley donwood did it or not.

akm (akmonday), Thursday, 30 November 2006 03:54 (seventeen years ago) link

it would be nice if it turned out the children from the hospital did it.

hank s1ockli (hanks1ockli), Thursday, 30 November 2006 04:29 (seventeen years ago) link

"(Am I the only one to have read all the books in the Canopus in Argos series?)"

maria has. like ten times. but she's a freak. she tried to get me to read them and i looked at her like she was made out of the funny papers.

scott seward (121212), Thursday, 30 November 2006 04:36 (seventeen years ago) link

:-D

Ten times, I'm impressed. There are passages I still remember from when I read them as a teen.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 30 November 2006 04:37 (seventeen years ago) link


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