itt liverpool not winning things; sandbox i love football

It wasn't a stats game tbh, City were a bit better but it could've gone either way.

'stats' is 'whats goin on' fyi

phil jones the next messi.

white matthaus tbrr

It was a good game. We were beat by 1 stupid positional mistake but playing a team of City's quality, 89 minutes isn't enough. In fact it was 88 minutes because they had an equally easy chance from bad positioning in the first half.

Walcott was shit but the player who actually disappointed me was Ramsey. Fucking hell man, stop it with those flicks. He was more Hleb than Xavi.

Overall we were fine and most probably deserved a point. But 'deserved' is stupid. City are very good, even when teams attack them.

Bringing on Miquel, Arshavin and Chamakh is very dispiriting. (Miquel was fine.) Chamakh and Arshavin need to go and be replaced by proper players, Arteta like dudes with Premiership experience and know-how. Or Podolski who flopped at Bayern, either way.

Miquel looked shaky to me. Poor touch and clearance when he first came on and I think his positioning wasn't great either, but he's still learning too.

Chamakh and Arshavin don't really belong on the pitch.

Arshavin's performance actually made me really angry

Miquel started shakey but for an 18 y/o dude against silva, he did v. well

Arshavin's such a puzzle. I could imagine it being purely a confidence thing, like he's so terrified of making a mistake that he won't properly commit to anything, but he didn't seem like that before. I'd love to know what Wenger thinks.

what does the Ox have to do to get a game though? Surely he would have been a better option than either Chamakh or Arshavin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gf-mk6KnqWk

gervinho is fkn infuriating

uarshavin doesn't give a fuck since his first uk ax bill

Who's more depressing, Arshavin or Torres? I can't think of many declines like them. Thomas Brolin maybe.

The decline of Torres isn't depressing, it's hilarious.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=n9lIN1lgyVI

That (presumably Dutch?) commentator reminds me of a character from some sci-fi kids programme from years ago...

(still googling for this, he was on Terrahawks and used to say "aaaahhhh motherrrrrr" like he was gargling)

This guy:
http://www.fab1.net/t-hawks/y-star-1.jpg

Haha, he extends the r from "jaar" a lot, yes. He says it's a contender for goal of the yearrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Unless I'm mistaken, that's Yung-Star. You can call me sad now.

just seen the carrick 'wondergoal' that prompted my lil bro to ring me in excitement

What the fuck is wrong with y'all that was a dude jogging 60 yards unchallenged and passing it at a goalie.

yah

i hope u have censured him accordingly

he's not getting his box til xmas now

Do you think the reaction might have something to do with who scored it?

he's not got into the box since xmas 2007

the positive or negative reaction NN

Well i'd assume any Utd fan describing it as a wonder goal would be taking the piss somewhat, but it still involved Michael Carrick running a considerable distance forwards and successfully putting the ball in the net, so it's still a moment to be treasured.

ive noticed ynahtid fans hyping carrick again since fletcher went on sabbatical, cleverley got k-d'd, anderson went below 29% pass completion, scholes retired, gibson didn't retire and giggs just sort of ambled around complacently like the preening, overpaid, foreign bastard he has always dissimulated not to have been

I wouldn't say hyping him exactly but he's been decent the last two games and the partnership with Jones looks better than anything we've tried since Cleverley got injured. I'm never gonna actually like the guy (i've suffered too much for that) but needs must and all that

needs must but they mustn't kid themselves they're not

carrick has always had a kinda ropy first touch for a player with pretty good skills in other areas

i used to like him cuz he was the inverse of the boxtobox histrionics of other english midfielders, but he went too far in the other direction and became a bit of a ghost

he's a passenger too often, has the ability to dictate but doesn't ever really do it meaningfully-if he's dictating play then you're not gonna be breaking teams down.

If Blackburn really do replace Steve Kean with Shearer I will love the Venkys and their magnificent comedic touch forever.

Maybe if South Korea recall Park early we can send Chamckh in his place?

Shearer to Blackburn might actually be about to become a thing? That would be an ILF exclusive, and all kinds of perfect.

best christmas present ever

the former southampton ace will have known fuck all

napoli-roma was good fun last night. Roma won 3-1 after a howler by the napoli keeper gifted them the lead and napoli missed a hatful of chances.

Hamsik played the best I've ever seen him and yet still contrived to miss an open goal from 3 yards out by blazing over the bar.

So Shearer to Blackburn would mean relegation, a 3 year wait, then take over at Southampton and relegate them, leaving only England as the yawning gap in his CV. Quite hard to relegate England though, but I'm sure if anyone is up to the task it's Shearer.

So Utd have pretty much wrapped up a deal for Gaitan apparently, albeit not until the summer. He looked good in the games against us but he's also Argentinian and they don't have the best track record at Utd. Still he's a technically gifted midfielder, so screw it, i'm choosing to believe.

tevez was pretty good though

as long as the glazers invest in a good Argentinian steak house near old trafford all will be well.

The nightmare scenario, seeing as they do have half a team of solid performers, is Shearer keeps them up and is hailed as the new Houdini. Set against that, he's extremely unlikely to be the man needed to tighten up at the back and coax performances from their unknown cutprice foreigners.

Most likely Kean gets the boot and Shearer's on the radio half-an-hour later declaring himself flattered but it's not the right time, concentrating on media career, etc. etc.

i've never seen gaitan, knowingly at least. in my mind he's a bit gerrard-y, is that right?

venkys for poty

sian massey is my poty, for ridding my screen of the keys/gray axis of evil. I will be forever in her debt.

RIP John Terry?

More in the Silva/Mata mould a hoy hoy. Nominally plays on the left wing but drifts in centrally.

just heard john terry rip can anyone confirm

Yup, today we're mourning the death of a dictator feared and loved by his people in equal measure. Oh and Kim Jong-il died as well

John Terry is understood to have suffered a heart attack on Saturday due to physical and mental over-work. He was on his train, travelling to offer "field guidance" to workers, when he died. Experts say there is increasing domestic cynicism about the regime.