Can we have some sane people as admins instead of the same jerks?

Apart from the obvious pathetic attention-seeking aspect I mean.

-- stet (bonaldi@ge

He set up another username, which Matt appears to have also banned.

Paterson, contrary to what you say above, you have repeatededly been asked not to troll the boards, and warned not to as well. Your response has invariably been some variation on either a/"fuck off hitler" b/"i am a beloved forum comedy character, I can do wtf I want" c/"they is keeping the black man down, help me mah niggaz".

Whoever he really is, I'm glad he's off the boards; got bored shitless having to plough through his tiresome nonsense.

Also, ILx is not a democracy and a certain basic level of respect on the part of posters for other posters is expected. I think that the moderators, especially Norman, have shown remarkable patience with EB, but since he has repeatedly given nothing back to these boards other than his limited repertoire of stock troll responses and devalued potentially interesting threads as a result or side-product, then there really was no alternative other than to ban him.

Of course, if EB is dissatisfied with this then he is free to set up his own message boards with his own time, money and resources.

Pash is a fine moderator and has always responded quickly to any requests or queries I might have had.

Have I ever been officialy told? Been e-mailed about it? Asked to sit down and discuss it with you?

Of course not, don't be stupid.

I'm tired of your elitist high-horse attitude, Carlin,.

Also, ILx is not a democracy

Well, it should. Even if it cuts on your attitude.

and a certain basic level of respect on the part of posters for other posters is expected.

Unless you're me.

I think that the moderators, especially Norman, have shown remarkable patience with EB, but since he has repeatedly given nothing back to these boards other than his limited repertoire of stock troll responses and devalued potentially interesting threads as a result or side-product, then there really was no alternative other than to ban him.

Absolute bollocks. Yeah, OK, so I'm a part-time troll in the vein of Passantino. But if you look at all my posts, I do add my fair share to the boards.

Most people posting in this thread haven't ever looked at the mongrels/sheepfuXor threads. They should because I contribute an awful lot to the discussion there in a semi-civil atmosphere.

Of course, if EB is dissatisfied with this then he is free to set up his own message boards with his own time, money and resources.

And why should I? I shouldn't have to. I like ILX and enjoy most of community on here.

I am not planning to do re-reg this time, even through I feel I have every right to because this was another bullshit ban.

I am confident that this ban will be overturned in due course.

Besides, how can I do as I'm fucking told when there are no set rules. And practice what you preach in regards to civility and respect. (Something the admins should try too.)

(xpost - bollocks, it was trolling)

It might have seem to be trolling to you, but it was not.

Because I think we need a civil discussion here.

any thread mentioning Stylus automatically triggers the 'troll/spam' alarm as well EVERYONE here knows. ditto Pitchfork. NME is exempt because of what is known as The Martian Anomaly.

I started a thread about Pitchfork 60s list a few months thread that started a bit like the Stylus thread, which you may remember. It turned out to be a bit of a decent thread with some interesting discussion.

To answer your questions. I have nothing personal against you. As I sort of said upthread, I don't care about you. Please understand this. I don't care about you. You're just some weird kid who lives thousands of miles away, why should I care about you? Quite possibly IRL you're a nice guy. How would I, or anyone who doesn't post on the aus/nz region thread ever know? I have not been uncivil to you on this thread, as far as I can see. I described you as acting like a dick, which you have been, fairly consistently.

The last time I had to use admin actions against you is as good an example as any to illustrate this. You started a thread on ILE - a racist screed, with Geir's name attached on the end of it. I deleted it. What the fuck else am I supposed to do? It's not OK to impersonate other posters generally, and especially not to post offensive material. So as soon as I deleted it, you post up another thread - an antisemitic screed with my username attached, so I deleted that as well, so you then post up an obnoxious, bleating complaint thread, which I also deleted. At that point I IP banned you, even though I knew you'd be back on with another proxy in 10 minutes or less. You get back on, and start crowing about it on 1p3, as if using a proxy is difficult or something. I post up that it's not OK to impersonate other posters, your response is "I am a beloved forum comedy character, I can do whatever I want".

You have done shit like this over and over and over again. You post goatse in the middle of an ILM thread, it gets deleted, you know it's going to get deleted and you know why, nevertheless, you then spew out a load of bile, about it - Matt DC is a "dumb cunt", steve m is a nazi, I'm a nazi, whatever. Someone posts up something libelous, so it gets deleted. Obviously it's going to get deleted, IRL people have been fucked over in court for having libelous material on their message boards. What do you do? You post it up all over the place, thenwhen it gets deleted, you freak out about it, nazis, hitler, dumb cunts etc etc.

On top of that there's the constant sniping. I read the board over the last week, and in just about every thread I open, there's you, sniping at southall, passatino, carlin, kate saint claire's band, gooblar's band and so on. It's like a dog marking its territory by pissing everywhere. It's a pain in the ass for people, they don't want to read this shit, and they certainly don't want to read it all the time.

You describe youself as a part-time troll, yet the only place you consistently treat people with any decency and respect is on the aus/nz thread, outside of that thread, I'd estimate that about 7/8 of what I read w/your username attached is sniping. Seriously, I see enough personal beefs here, but I don't see anyone else doing that, except for bato, who gets banned on sight these days anyway.

The problem isn't me, or matt, or steve or whoever moderating out of control - anyone can look at the mod logs and see how little moderation actually does get done, since the spambots got locked out. The problem is this behaviour:

1/constant, unpleasant petty sniping

2/repeated posting of unacceptable material (libel, porn, putting offensive words into other people's mouths so to speak)with consequent tantrums when such material is deleted.

What the fuck do you expect to happen when you do this? Your existence does not, as you say, make me so sick that I want you kicked off the boards, the fact that you think I'm a cunt is a matter of total indifference to me, believe me. It basically boils down to what I said upthread:

people should be able to enjoy using the boards without having some idiot constantly sniping at them.

I admit that I do have a problem and I go over-the-top an awful lot of time. I think the problem has stemmed from the "Esteban Buttez" character. It's been built up and I have been encouraged by other posters to act like a dick. Yes, I should have ignored all that by now but it turns into a habit. If I do post again, it certainly won't be under the Esteban Buttez moniker.

The Geir thing for example was totally wrong but I felt I was encouraged into doing that by other posters who think "Geir hates the darkies" is the absolute height of comedy on ILX. Again, partly my fault.

However, the "sniping" at Passantino and Southall is and was nothing more than a bit of jocularity. I think, and hope, Dom and Nick would agree with this.

Complaining about the deletions was again part of the character. When I posted them, it wasn't to be done as serious but in hindsight I can see why it was tiring.

This has been building up for sometime so maybe all this has needed to happen. But I don't live the way it has come around. I think if an admin e-mailed me what they've seen and discussed it with me, all this could have been avoided. But it hasn't happened and I think it's something the admins look into. I don't think it's fair to lump everyone who breaks the rules as "mindless trolls who are hell-bent on destroying ILX" because it isn't as simple as that.

I don't agree that every post I make is a trolling or sniping one. Yeah, as I said, I've done that too often. But not every post I've made is like that. I feel I have positively contributed to ILX in places. I have been proud to the contributions I've made in some ILE and ILM threads and I do get annoyed when I'm dismissed as a one-dimensional troll. It's partly my fault but it angers me when people don't take all my posts in account. It personally offends me.

I have treated people on the Aus/NZ thread with respect because it's the only place on ILX that I feel have been treated with respect and not as a one-dimensional troll.

I still think the admins are too strict, cliquey and unaccountable. It would benefit the board if we could review all this but I doubt any of the current admins can see this and will dismiss it in sight. Hopefully, stet will give this some thought. We need discussion about the administration on ILX and we need it badly.

Moderating is out of control at time and needs to be fixed. I am sorry for offending people but I am not sorry for my opinion on that issue. We need more free speech on ILX, not less.

If I have offended anyone, I totally apologise for doing so.

Anyway, it's time to call it a day for Esteban Buttez. The Esteban Buttez character is dead as of now.

there are ways to express opinions and vent frustrations with people/situations and ways not to. if you're unable to grasp what these differences are then go to some dumb unpoliced 'ironic'-bigotry-ridden ISP msgboards instead.

Absolute bollocks. Nobody gets branded a troll by admins without first acting like one. You've not earned much genuine respect outside mong/sheep thread BECAUSE of your behaviour - it doesn't work the other way round so stop trying to use that as an excuse.

And trying to blame admins for not giving you enough warning as if they're responsible for your attitude and behaviour is fucking laughable. Grow up.

The vast majority of people on ILX actually seem to manage to express opinions and thoughts without resorting to the shit you've pulled, even if they do feel 'wronged' in some way by someone else every now and then.

We need discussion about the administration on ILX and we need it badly.

I don't think we do because the vast majority of people seem to think that Pashmina is a superb moderator. Only you seem to be disagreeing, mysteriously. So good luck drumming up support for this.

The existing FAQ on real-ILX sets out enough guidelines (it may need a little updating but nothing that radical). It's down to common sense for individuals to realise that behaviour of the sort you've exhibited is probably not a good idea.

ILX was here for a long time before you showed up and on the whole managed just fine without 'elections' for moderators and other idealistic bullshit (fwiw Pashmina would trounce any 'election' anyway so what is the point of the argument?). No reason why that can't continue with or without you.

Explain this. Do you really think you shouldn't have been banned for the reasons Matt and Pashmina give upthread?

Free speech < common courtesy and respect to other people. Your right to insult/offend people vs their right not to be offended can only go so far.

If you don't practice the latter you violate your right to the former - certainly on an environment like a specific internet msg board like ILX.

You might as well be complaining to the manager of a bar having been thrown out because you think you should've been allowed to sit there hurling abuse at people as they walked in and out.

If he's so popular then why don't you want a democratic election? If there isn't enough admins, then my offer of doing any admin work that needs to be done stands.

The ILX FAQ is a vague document that badly needs updating. At least you can see it need an update. But what is "common sense"? Everyone has a different opinion of "common sense".

I feel the use of the phrase "idealistic bullshit" is pretty insulting and makes you look bad, imho.

Whether you like it or not, I have been part of the ILX community for over a year. The ILX community is bigger than a single poster be it me, Pashmina or yourself. Remember that.

1) Calum (notorious troll of yore)
2) Phil (notorious troll of modern times)

Think that pretty much covers it but do say if I've missed a third person.

can you please stop writing stuff like this? i have stomach ache from wtf-laughing

I am being totally serious about this. Do your research and you will see that I have been encouraged by an awful lot of posters for too long, which is why I've been in the vicious cycle of insulting people at random for too long.

I'm trying to be serious here.

-- No Longer EB (estiebuttez...), Today 2:30 PM. (King Esteban) (later) (admin) (userip)

Do it, please. And talk of this no more.

How did I miss this.

Funny enough, I think I was on my way to Australia.

i'd forgotten about this one. esteban opens his heart!