itt liverpool not winning things; sandbox i love football

lol cech

FFS

ref bottled it

Not sure what to make of that last shout - it was like them both tackling a patch of air that the ball never arrived at.

it was a clear foul outside the box but the ref bottled it incase he had to show a red

Fucking hell, every single youtube link in that Guardian poll of the greatest ever Premier League goals has been taken down due to a copyright claim from the Premier League. The horrible fuckers

They're all shite anyway.

Except Bergkamp's. Not a single team goal there either. Which is a shame, because it rules out goals like Liverpool's 3rd at Wolves last season, which is obviously the greatest goal of all time. Pfffff.

I mean, why do they even bother taking them down? How exactly are they losing out here?

I am quite enjoying reading all the comments blaming The Guardian for bringing the youtubes to the Premier League's attention though.

Luckily for me I watched them all before they were taken down. What was so good about Fabregas v Villa 09/10?

That's what i don't understand. Surely it's all advertising for the "product"

Wigan are an intriguing little bunch, aren't they? Defensively still unconvincing, but I really liked the look of McCarthy as deep-lying playmaker - very sturdy passer, really good at playing accurate passes to get the lines clear.

Trap out

A strange thing in the Fiorentina game just now - Gilardino scored and the commentator went into a perpetual loop of celebration. "Gilardino! goal! We've had to wait since the the seventh of September...". It's been going on for over four minutes now.

hows woodgate not walked, again

How is four-goal Jordan Rhodes still only 21?

hennessy- i read praise for this guy somewhere recently, but amir khan has more reach and jo brand has more jump than this pertwee lookin clown

A headed goal from Crouch!

a joke headed goal tbf, stoopin to clanger

It certainly wasn't elegant

funny how wolves' left side can figure that running at woodgate would put him under pressure, but bale didn't force him into a tackle at all last week.

paul robinson, p good at not getting out of the way of close range efforts

aw man morrisson!

beauty

aw man odemwingie!

Bburn goal p clearly offside btw

wish that back pass had gone in

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I didn't know Odemwingie actually is from Russia, rather than just playing there for a bit.

Maverick punditry from Kenny there

If we win tomorrow, we'll go six points off City (and between four and seven points off Utd). So basically if we win tomorrow, this season suddenly becomes awesome. Also if we win tomorrow and Spurs do too, they go within 4 or 5 points from the top with a game in hand. When was the last time they were so close?

How much do you really fancy Arsenal to do City over tomorrow?

Honestly - and this is considering they only had 1 shot on goal in the Carling Cup and we beat them I think both times last season - it is ours to lose. Only place on the field I'd be genuinely worried is whether they play a proper winger v. whoever plays RB or whether it is Silva or Nasri because they won't make it hard specifically for Koscielny/whoever playing out of position.

One thing I'd love to see happen although it never will, is for Song to be pushed back at CH so Djourou* wasn't involved and play the Pong or Le Coq in the middle. (Or Coquelin at RB.)

*Ok darragh, you win. Ever since I went to the bat for him, he has been awful. I'd prefer Senderos back at this rate. It doesn't matter if I've seen him have perfect games in the past because he's never gonna have another one.

Based on what I saw last week you'll make chances, but unless they fall to rvp that may not get you anywhere. However I wouldn't be surprised if City rip you several new ones at the other end.

rvp em a new one

Song's no centre half either*

*i don't believe in allowing a stricken opponent recovery space

Spurs were in better shape last sat mornin tbh

I dunno. I really like 4/5 of our backline. Arteta and Ramsey should keep a marauding fullback and Barrylol in check. Song is a match for Yaya but also might pin him further up the field. Merte is shit but in the same way EBJT is, so as long as Djourou doesn't keep cocking up or is put at RB, I think we could keep Aguero quiet-ish. Also I think Stoke are gonna be the biggest influence on the football of the next 10 years with this four centre halves thing, even if managers won't admit it - so Verm (a LB at Ajax) and Koscielny (a sometimes RB at Lorient) should be ok with two of Balotelli/Silva/Dzeko/Nasri/Milner. Of course this is all 'on paper' and yes we could easily get slaughtered.

Also the only time they've played a proper attacking first team this season is Bayern when the Tevez thing happened, right? I think they have been so accustomed to teams sitting back and looking for the counter that it will be a genuine challange for them to be in a game where they will have less possession, have to track back constantly, be tight to stop throughballs etc.

we're an attacking team but not a good one at the time /crouch

so, 4-1 City then?

MOTD clearly forgetting that Hodgson was sacked after 14 games of his second season at Blackburn, and that 97/98 wasn't his 'only' season there.

Hansen's Wigan analysis wasn't really very interesting, while Lawro pointing out that Wigan had 2 up front in the 2nd half, when they had 2 up front in the 1st half, wasn't very enlightening. Nice to hear that Norwich decided to 'ave a go with 2 up top an' all.

this whole "2 up front = 'avin a go" is painful lately

Aye, it's always been there, but seems to have been even more out there in the last few weeks. Times Podcast had someone talking about 4-4-2: positive, 4-5-1: negative with regard to LFC v Man City. Phil Thompson on Soccer Saturday advising clubs near the bottom to stick two up top at home and 'ave a go. Pointless moaning about it, obviously, but it makes me feel better.

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Otm. That was a beauty, mostly because he was so close to failing miserably. That slight touch of the shin...

What are your thoughts on the Ivanovic penalty? I can see it's true that (a) he had his arms in front of him; (b) he couldn't've put them anywhere else, sort of; and (c) Cech would've got it anyway (maybe). But I'm not sure how any of that is relevant, clear penalty imo.

Chelsea were even worse on the highlights.

"I'm not sure what Cech's doing there"

I bloody hate this Shearerism - everyone says it now, for every mistake. Cech was trying to pick it up, you prick, don't make like he was off on some crazed frolic.

I'm not sure what IK's talking about there.

Ngh. I suspect my hatred of that way of putting things comes from a work function where I was cornered with an eminent old academic who kept telling me he didn't understand what I was saying, my response to which was to keep repeating my points in ever-simpler language while wondering why on earth I was unable to make myself clear to this guy - not comprehending that this was his way of telling me I was wrong. Not a great mingler, me.

up early for the world club cup. let's do this ganso

Damn, I forgot about this - I've arranged to go out for a bit now. Hoping for some tight 0-0 catenaccio 'til I get back late doors.

ivanovic ball to hand, hand not even out. Never a pen.

agreed