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Not a big NFL fan, but if the Packers go through one full season/post season undefeated, there's no valid way to question whether they would be among the best of all time. They just would be.

so it is v. convenient that a cal player will go down as the best qb of all time

― iatee, Saturday, December 17, 2011 2:43 AM (27 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink

slo ur roll doggie

ya I'm primarily a cal fan so it is v. convenient that a cal player will go down as the best qb of all time

haha 'all time'? i like the dude, but we'll see

it is, however, convenient that you've no other ties besides berkeley. i have problems with rapey ben; daria has problems with danny snyder. but if you get to pick and choose then god bless.

(fwiw i agree with you about green bay and socialism and suburbia and all which is why i wasn't crushed at the steelers' loss last year like i was against the fucking cowboys.)

at this point in time no ties but berkeley is pretty nice since a good amount of the fun characters in the league are cal alums - rodgers, lynch, jackson etc.

I would have given the niners a second chance if they went w/ the hunters point stadium...and now would be a good time to be a niners fan...but they fucked over sf and also fucked over santa clara so I'm okay w/ even rooting against them at this point.

I have been a Packer fan for like 15 years and I am from California! We got to pick and choose when the Rams and Raiders decided they did not want to play in Southern California anymore; at this point I think probably most people in LA/Orange/Riverside/SB counties have fallen in with either the Chargers or Raiders, but I've known a handful of other Packer fans, plus Bears, Vikings, Steelers, Niners, and Cowboys people, and a shitload of traditional SoCal fairweather fans and obviously a ton of people who don't really give a shit about anything other than the Lakers.

And I have been on a plane for the past two hours but I feel the need to say that I think it's basically possible to frustrate the offense with an effective front line (to stifle the run game and create enough pressure on Rodgers without needing to constantly pull guys out of coverage); a bunch of teams (most recently NYG) have done this for a while until the offense adjusted. It'd help if you get some drops and especially some flukey tip interceptions, also, but a special-teams play or two would probably do the same work to create extra points. The defense is beatable; generally either they're susceptible to deep passes or they're so worried about deep passes they'll play off receivers a little bit and allow for more sustained drives. It's obviously difficult to beat them this year but I think that if a couple of plays end up going a different way they could have lost to the Saints, the Giants, or the Chargers, and they might have been in more trouble against the Lions until the Lions beat themselves.

people would stfu about the Steelers being the current dynasty

never heard anyone say this.

i'd like to see them go undefeated if only so we never have to hear from those aging dolphins ever again

Sun-Sentinel did a story recently about how many of the 72 Dolphins team members are rooting for the Packers to go undefeated. I'm a Dolphins fan, but I want Green Bay to go undefeated, too. Something likeable about this team.

I don't think they will, BTW. Defense looks vulnerable (gives up to many points).

yeah, this is nothing like the 2007 Patriots where it made me sick watching them go 16-0.

in regards to Steelers being the 'current dynasty', since the Patriots last repeated in 2004, they have won the most SBs, although obv never two in a row. And had 3 appearances as well.

not really a dynasty by classic terms, but closest we've gotten since the Patsies.

man i wish you would stfu about the Steelers being the current dynasty

Your point? The Patriots had too, and ...then they lost that one game called the Super Bowl because they had a target on their back (that and Brady was a lot more hurt than he had let on after the Chargers game).

this is exactly what I'm arguing against. the 07 Pats didn't lose because they had a target on their back. they lost b/c the Giants defense was playing at a really high level and were able to harass Brady. also Asante Samuel dropped an easy pick late in the game that would have sealed it (plus, the whole helmet catch thing). that game was suuuuper close and was really one 'break' away from resulting in the perfect Pats season. same with the Packers. if they lose it's not because they "feel the pressure", it'll be because they got outscored, didn't get good breaks, etc. etc.

not sure who's going to stop the offense at this point - they average 33 points a game and that includes several games where they simply stopped trying to score after a certain point. best way to beat them is to just outscore them, which the Pats/Saints/Giants could probably do

the Giants defense was playing at a really high level, but Brady's body was also worn the fuck out from hits in the Chargers game, as well as hits over the body of the season. and players were hitting him after the whistle cuz he was the teams lifeblood.

But in that Super Bowl, one constant was that everybody talked about how for three quarters, the Patriots didn't look like the Patriots. Yes, much of that was the Giants pass rush disrupting their timing, but even when the line was holding, the team wasn't gelling. They looked in their 'head', at least to me.

As far as "Who's gonna stop the offense", they said the same thing about the Pats in 2007...I mean ffs, they scored 589 points that year. Nothing anybody threw at them was working. Brady threw 50 TDs. and yet...the Giants did it.

physicality has a way of slowing down any offense. all it takes is one bad night. hell, not even a bad night. This Packers team could score 24 and lose. unfortunately the Packers don't have a defense that can compensate for their offense taking a night off.

I still think they're a favorite, but they're arguably not even as good as the last four teams to start 13-0 (2009 Indy, 2005 Indy, 2007 New England, 2009 New Orleans), and only one of them won an SB (2005 Indy lost in the divisional round!)

i'll give them better than 2009 Indy, which was on Peyton's back mostly...

to be fair to the 2009 colts, only one team could win the super bowl that year

well yeah

i do agree that they're not as good as the 07 Pats. but I would say they compare well to the other three.

i think in general the rest of the field is probably weaker than it's been for the last few years. Pats have an even worse defense then they have the last few years, Saints don't play well away from home, Steelers look unconvincing, Ravens seem handicapped by Joe Flacco, etc. etc.

I'm from california but I shifted loyalty from the niners when it became clear they were a. not gonna draft aaron rodgers and b. were gonna move to the suburbs

― iatee, Friday, December 16, 2011 6:28 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Permalink

also I mean they are on some level the only defensible sports team in the country, so everyone should be a fan

― iatee, Friday, December 16, 2011 6:29 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Permalink

but they fucked over sf and also fucked over santa clara so I'm okay w/ even rooting against them at this point.

― iatee, Friday, December 16, 2011 7:20 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Permalink

I kinda hear you, but, as a Niner fan, I can't bring myself to support a team where Favre made his name.

Also, didn't the team and SC work out a plan so that if SC can't get a certain amount of funding, the team would step in cover the rest? (But yeah, I was pissed at the move, even though it puts them CLOSER to where I live.)

yeah the deal coulda been worse for SC as far as financing goes, but there still is some taxpayer money being spent along the way and in the long-run stadiums just aren't worth it for small towns. all this trouble so a buncha people to drive in 8 days a year? it's ultimately bizarre town-pride vanity thing. and iirc there are ways for the niners to get out of that guarantee w/ a future ownership or when they decide to move back to sf in 10 years when nobody wants to drive 50 miles to see a football game anymore. whereas hunter's point redevelopment coulda led to great things for the area, is on transit etc. etc.

TBF, there's transit to the SC location, but yeah, overall the deal's a stinker.

Oh wait there's something else I want to mention:

ya I'm primarily a cal fan so it is v. convenient that a cal player will go down as the best qb of all time

Tim Tebow has something to say about that.

lmao

lol is right, a team lost a game today, wau man Packers fans must be devastated by being only 13-1

it's sad it was a perfect perfect season.

cell phone records show 6 calls back and forth between an "M. Morris" and subject A. Rodgers on the evening of 12/17

Hoping this is just "sometimes you play crappy and a bunch of dudes are injured" and not "Hey everybody we solved the Packers!" It felt more like the former, at least.

and that's the way it goes

anyway - two bright sides to this loss: one, if the 49ers lose tomorrow, the Pack get the no. 1 seed, so they can start resting guys because they really won't be playing for anything

two is that I was kinda terrified of having this team be remembered like the 2007 Patriots. maybe it's different because public opinion isn't completely against them like it was on the Pats, but I would hate it if the 2011 Packers were known as the undefeated regular season team that blew their last game