rolling rap thread

oh my god your personal EOY list is not meant to be about "big cultural moments". what is this obsession with liking stuff other people like?

― degas-dirty monet (lex pretend), Friday, December 16, 2011 3:48 AM (26 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink

why even bother having your own taste? just do a list of that year's nig cultural moments. they were ~important~!

― degas-dirty monet (lex pretend), Friday, December 16, 2011 3:49 AM (25 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink

you need to recognize context; for example, there's a movement in record collecting known as 'random rap' which is a bunch of dudes who collect late 80s hip-hop that make compilations & highlight "lost classics" that are in reality just watered down versions of stuff actually-popular artists had already done. It starts to impact people's perceptions of history. I think that a critic does have some *responsibility* to not pretend that his 'taste' exists in a vacuum wherein he can just completely ignore the popularity of artists. That doesn't mean always liking them! like, there are many very popular rap songs that didn't make noz's list

i just meant that I think that because for him & many other people writing about rap in the states theres a social element to be considered, and that while some of us might spend a lot more time hunting music online, entirely ignoring the social pathways by which ppl come in contact with v. popular artists is ignoring the artists that are most likely to have large influence on future generations of artists, etc

otm

"nig cultural moments" is the typo of the year

cultural moments in paris

lol

the beat is really really catchy. so is the hook. i don't love the song & it wont make my lists but idk it makes sense to me

― joey joe joe junior shabadoo, Thursday, December 15, 2011 9:48 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Permalink

this is totes otm

"bah so hard"/"that shit cray" is the good hook? ok...

btw just remembered that coicidentally song starts off with will ferrell saying "we're gonna skate to one song and one song only", which makes my http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/2/rap_roller.jpg comparison even more perfect

eh. nbombs in paris was a big track this year, and its success had a genuinely organic feel (I think moreso than "Otis" but this is entirely perception). Paris was up w/ racks & tony montana & i'm on one, one of those joints that just takes on a life of its own

i think i said to someone the other day that its kind of cute how excited kanye & jay are to have a legitimate hit

i mean lord knows they spent bank to find one, and the credit goes to hit boy, but still

excited enough to play it upwards of ten times in their recent shows

it's a legit hit? lol

i mean you should remember from a UK perspective there just aren't any "cultural moments" around hip-hop in the chart popularity sense. off WTT, "otis" got to no 28, and the beyoncé song spent a week in the chart, at no 48

i haven't heard ANY of it in the wild, so to speak

so don't you think its useful that Noz's list might seem informed by the way people are receiving it here?

i know we all agree about this so this kind of seems like a challop, but doesnt the black hippy crew (kendrick, schoolboy q, ab soul, jay rock) deserve like 90x the acclaim of odd future, when it comes down to it? what are sales figs like on tyler v. kendrick? why are the press so obsessed with the former but ignored the latter for a long time (& while they now follow kendrick, they treat him like a solo star & the trickle-down effect to schoolboy etc. is happening much more slowly than it did for i.e. mellowhype)

i compare them because they're both crews with breakout stars from LA, and black hippy are just better rappers period

Black Hippy don't really have a hook like Odd Future (being "young", controversial lyrics etc.) did i guess?

but black hippy are young! they don't have the controversial lyrics but thats a plus. they also have better songs

That's why i put young in quotes. The youth aspect of Odd Future was exaggerated cos Earl was 16 but it was definitely a major thing in most of the initial coverage of Odd Future. I agree about Black Hippy being better btw

If you haven't heard Ab-Soul's tape you should. It's of a similar level of quality to Setbacks

at the last second i removed webbie's 'whats happenin' from my pazz n jop ballot in place of some finney-recommended dance track; have i made a horrible mistake?

haha that songs in my top 5

yeah. i probably should have kept it. idk what i was thinking. more absurd is that i kept in shady nate's 'send it overnight' which is a dope song but totally more marginal ('random rap')

im a sucker for the zhane sample what can i say

i didnt listen to either the webbie or mouse tapes from this year despite loving whats happenin & others bc trill ent wo boosie is too sad to me

yr sleeping on Foxx imo

what are sales figs like on tyler v. kendrick?

don't have hard long term sales numbers at my fingertips, but their billboard numbers and first week sales are:

tyler: #5, 50k
Kendrick: #113, 5k

i doubt that they're much closer (i think tyler is up over 150) but kendrick has definitely picked up buzz as the year has progressed

right

hmm all that stuff about it topping the 'heatseekers' chart had me thinking it had done a lot better than that.

it spent 9 weeks on the r&b/hip-hop charts, peaking at #22

heatseekers = artists who have never placed in the top 100

track from brianna's mixtape dropping on christmas, featuring future and trina:

http://www.rap-up.com/2011/12/16/new-music-brianna-f-trina-future-hey-ho/

kendrick is at 28k

"say wassup" is one of the best song of the year

i kind of feel like sales don't matter in rap unless something is positioned as a blockbuster make-or-break record for the artist or preceded by a big radio single. like on the facebook sandbox when people were lolling or acting shocked about pusha t's "quickie album that's part 2 of a free mixtape" or w/e not selling much, it's not like when they release his REAL album they won't be saying it's his 'solo debut,' it doesn't count.

still so weird to me that ppl were actually arguing about rap (let alone pusha t) on the facebook sandbox

RIP Slim Dunkin :(

god dammit

his verse on BAYTL is so good

well one of them

well that was fun

holy shit!

oh wait nm

i read he was killed at a gucci mane "video shoot"

really diggin on some west coast coke rap right now

chilling final words

https://twitter.com/#!/SlimDunkin1017/status/147374297080537088

:(

damn rip

what are we saying about TM103 then goons?

it's pretty *big* as a jeezy album should be. normally takes me ages to properly get my head around. jamming the last track right now on repeat...

it's out? dang