like if I am just using one then my thumb on the space bar is tapping out the rhythms of the spheres
― the lubbock babes, Friday, 16 December 2011 02:01 (twelve years ago) link
TWO― ᶘ ᵒᴥᵒᶅ (~curious orange~), Thursday, December 15, 2011 8:37 PM (24 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink
― ᶘ ᵒᴥᵒᶅ (~curious orange~), Thursday, December 15, 2011 8:37 PM (24 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink
TWO― Illia Rump (emil.y), Thursday, December 15, 2011 8:38 PM (24 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink
― Illia Rump (emil.y), Thursday, December 15, 2011 8:38 PM (24 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink
TWO― surm, Thursday, December 15, 2011 8:38 PM (24 minutes ago)
― surm, Thursday, December 15, 2011 8:38 PM (24 minutes ago)
― k3vin k., Friday, 16 December 2011 02:04 (twelve years ago) link
i was raised on 2 and it just makes sense to me. i like a bit of a breath after a sentence. i don't really care to retrain myself at this point in time.
― surm, Thursday, December 15, 2011 8:53 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink
as somone who retrained myself not all that long ago i can assure you it's easier than you would think.
― cad, Friday, 16 December 2011 02:05 (twelve years ago) link
retraining = for brainwashed sheep
― if you ain't gonna wash it, i ain't gonna eat it, Friday, 16 December 2011 02:05 (twelve years ago) link
gonna space this motherfucker like two the hard way
― if you ain't gonna wash it, i ain't gonna eat it, Friday, 16 December 2011 02:06 (twelve years ago) link
― cad, Thursday, December 15, 2011 9:05 PM (2 minutes ago)
yeah this, surprisingly
― k3vin k., Friday, 16 December 2011 02:07 (twelve years ago) link
i used 2 for a while when i was younger, i don't know if someone in college set me straight or i just wised up on my own, but now i can't believe how dumb i was.
― some dude (Mr. Stevenson #2), Friday, 16 December 2011 02:14 (twelve years ago) link
i'm like two more '1' votes away from having a Braveheart moment
― if you ain't gonna wash it, i ain't gonna eat it, Friday, 16 December 2011 02:15 (twelve years ago) link
dude idgi you have no grounds to be upset, you're beyond a shred of a doubt wrong, no one's gonna make you change but at least dealw/it.gif
― k3vin k., Friday, 16 December 2011 03:26 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.yale.edu/spizzwinks/music/discography/2007/2007.jpg
― if you ain't gonna wash it, i ain't gonna eat it, Friday, 16 December 2011 03:28 (twelve years ago) link
I like how people say "2 because I was taught" as if it makes it less RONG
― tumblr whineys (Cuauhtemoc Blanco), Friday, 16 December 2011 03:31 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0WYjqu9QwE
― your voice of treason, Friday, 16 December 2011 03:35 (twelve years ago) link
I think it's like a month so 30?
― є(٥_ ٥)э, Friday, 16 December 2011 03:39 (twelve years ago) link
i was taught 2 but it was obvious even then that was wrong and i've always done 1
― Mordy, Friday, 16 December 2011 03:39 (twelve years ago) link
TOO BAD YOU CAN'T DO TWO SPACES IN ILX
uhm. huh.
― schalke nult fear (nakhchivan), Friday, 16 December 2011 03:47 (twelve years ago) link
― є(٥_ ٥)э, Thursday, December 15, 2011 10:39 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink
the dad joke force is strong in this one
― some dude (Mr. Stevenson #2), Friday, 16 December 2011 03:49 (twelve years ago) link
it's two spaces for fixed-width type. one space otherwise.
― www.myislamicdream.com (step hen faps), Thursday, December 15, 2011 7:37 PM (2 hours ago)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^x1,000,000,000,000
Have to admit, I get irrationally angry when people who use MS Word or similar to do most/all of their typing insist on using two spaces, which is why I'm not reading any responses in this thread because I love you all and I cannot handle the truth.
― wore glasses and said things (thejenny), Friday, 16 December 2011 03:53 (twelve years ago) link
This is strange. I was taught two and have never heard anyone say otherwise until, well, tonight.
― ᶘ ᵒᴥᵒᶅ (~curious orange~), Friday, 16 December 2011 04:29 (twelve years ago) link
two is dumb from a bunch of angles one of which that its clearly a hack
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Friday, 16 December 2011 04:31 (twelve years ago) link
One, definitely because 2 is an anachronism left over from typewriters and has no relevance in the word processor/digial age.
Heck HTML means any extras you type online are just gonna disappear anyway.
― Leave town with an orange, and pretend you're laughing at it. (Trayce), Friday, 16 December 2011 04:32 (twelve years ago) link
(unless you force a nbsp which I'm aware you can do with code)
Yeah see I learned how to type on a typewriter at my still in the dark ages all-girls catholic HS. LOL typing was called "business class". Anyway, I didn't even know it was a typewriter thing until tonight. I thought it was how it's done. IDK. I could probably retrain myself not to do it but I don't see why. Nobody's ever said boo about it irl so I figure it's not hurting anyone.
― ᶘ ᵒᴥᵒᶅ (~curious orange~), Friday, 16 December 2011 04:34 (twelve years ago) link
I never learned typing properly either way, Im a raggedy 2-finger typist which surely must be obvious from my myriad hilarious errors on here :D
― Leave town with an orange, and pretend you're laughing at it. (Trayce), Friday, 16 December 2011 04:35 (twelve years ago) link
it's hurting me just knowing
― Sandbox James Morrison, Friday, 16 December 2011 04:35 (twelve years ago) link
xpost
― Sandbox James Morrison, Friday, 16 December 2011 04:36 (twelve years ago) link
DEAL WITH IT
I type with all my fingers but not in the right places. I don't have to look at the keys but that's not from that the lol "business" class it's just from years of working in offices and sitting in front of a computer all day.
― ᶘ ᵒᴥᵒᶅ (~curious orange~), Friday, 16 December 2011 04:37 (twelve years ago) link
it's 24-28 days on average. i do tend to feel a bit spacey afterwards.
― sarahel, Friday, 16 December 2011 04:39 (twelve years ago) link
why would you care either way
― t. silaviver, Friday, 16 December 2011 04:42 (twelve years ago) link
I had the fastest typing speed in my third grade class FYI FWIW. just sayin that makes me the ultimate authority on typing.
― wow gould (step hen faps), Friday, 16 December 2011 04:46 (twelve years ago) link
I always go with <i>The New Yorker</i> style guide.
― Ryan LZA (Leee), Friday, 16 December 2011 05:13 (twelve years ago) link
Bah. The New Yorker.
I never learned typing properly either way, Im a raggedy 2-finger typist which surely must be obvious from my myriad hilarious errors on here :D― Leave town with an orange, and pretend you're laughing at it. (Trayce), Thursday, December 15, 2011 8:35 PM (37 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink
― Leave town with an orange, and pretend you're laughing at it. (Trayce), Thursday, December 15, 2011 8:35 PM (37 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink
WTF!!!?? I am massively disturbed, tbh!
Nobody's ever said boo about it irl so I figure it's not hurting anyone.
You have had the benefit of not having to worry about something you write being published, or else you have had copyeditors who are far more discreet and patient than I am/was.
― Ryan LZA (Leee), Friday, 16 December 2011 05:16 (twelve years ago) link
Like a lot of people I was taught to use 2 spaces. I stopped maybe 5-6 years ago and feel kind of dumb for having done the 2 spaces thing for so long.
― silverfish, Friday, 16 December 2011 05:23 (twelve years ago) link
I mean, once you read an explanation of why one space is better than two, it's pretty difficult to continue typing 2 spaces and live with yourself
― silverfish, Friday, 16 December 2011 05:25 (twelve years ago) link
why would you waste precious moments of your life typing all those extra spaces?
― silverfish, Friday, 16 December 2011 05:26 (twelve years ago) link
http://0.tqn.com/d/desktoppub/1/0/U/S/3/0112endspace.gif
Frankly, I don't think I can see the benefits of two spaces even in the monotype font.
― Ryan LZA (Leee), Friday, 16 December 2011 05:35 (twelve years ago) link
One. Two is abject nonsense. The fact that HTML rendering collapses whitespace has spared all of you two-spacers from embarrassment all this time, by the way.
― silby, Friday, 16 December 2011 05:38 (twelve years ago) link
That's right, you may be double-spacing after your periods but your browser don't care.
WHy are you disturbed Leeeeee!~? Or am I missing some sark ;P
― Leave town with an orange, and pretend you're laughing at it. (Trayce), Friday, 16 December 2011 05:38 (twelve years ago) link
On the other hand TeX automatically inserts some amount of extra space after periods, I should look into adjusting that one of these days…
― silby, Friday, 16 December 2011 05:40 (twelve years ago) link
Apparently in TeX the \frenchspacing macro tells TeX to use the same spacing between words as between sentences.
So one space may be better, but it may also be French.
― silby, Friday, 16 December 2011 05:42 (twelve years ago) link
xpost I thought you worked with computers!
― Ryan LZA (Leee), Friday, 16 December 2011 05:47 (twelve years ago) link
So glad I was never taught two. One for all-time.
― jaymc, Friday, 16 December 2011 06:06 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/technology/2011/01/space_invaders.html
― mookieproof, Friday, 16 December 2011 07:15 (twelve years ago) link
oh nm
― mookieproof, Friday, 16 December 2011 07:17 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grlOImCXqW0
― Angles that bitch (Julie Lagger), Friday, 16 December 2011 08:37 (twelve years ago) link
ONE
when i edited my student magazine i had to send round a very strongly worded email to all contributors telling them they needed to cut that two-spaces shit out
― degas-dirty monet (lex pretend), Friday, 16 December 2011 08:47 (twelve years ago) link
I'd never even heard of using two spaces (or the justification for it) before this thread, though I don't think I've ever used a typewriter either.
― Tuomas, Friday, 16 December 2011 09:15 (twelve years ago) link
ya me neith
― wil smif, Friday, 16 December 2011 09:23 (twelve years ago) link
Is this an American thing? Come to think of it, my ex-boss, who was American, used to do this all the time.
― Derek Pringles (Deep in the Tony Hart land), Friday, 16 December 2011 09:31 (twelve years ago) link
I'd never even heard of using two spaces (or the justification for it) before this thread
i am sure we have done this thread before.
i did two-spaces in school, and it was very satisfying to double-tap the space bar, but as it is wrong with variable-width fonts i trained myself out of it. One of the ways I recognised that it was wrong was that I noticed that html automatically stripped out the extra space. the other day i had to proof-read something for my momz and you could tell the bits i'd written apart from hers by my lack of extra space - she later went through and painstakingly added the extra space in, and then her editor went through and stripped all of the extra spaces out.
― c sharp major, Friday, 16 December 2011 09:52 (twelve years ago) link
To make the Klingons think they are travelling backwards.
― Y.O. Mini (MarkG oo la showaddywaddy), Friday, 16 December 2011 14:24 (twelve years ago) link
That is horrifying. How many spaces after a period is not something I care much about, but putting a space before a comma is MADNESS.
― Nicole, Friday, 16 December 2011 14:25 (twelve years ago) link
I want to start a poll on how people pluralize/use the possessive w/ nouns that end in s
My last name ends in -ss and I am a staunch advocate of 's because then I get -ss's. I want all the sss!
― wore glasses and said things (thejenny), Friday, 16 December 2011 14:32 (twelve years ago) link
kisses
asses
successes
― Y.O. Mini (MarkG oo la showaddywaddy), Friday, 16 December 2011 14:35 (twelve years ago) link
assesses
― Derek Pringles (Deep in the Tony Hart land), Friday, 16 December 2011 14:37 (twelve years ago) link
I never could decideSo I just stopped using punctuationAnd pressing return instead
― oPal, Friday, 16 December 2011 15:06 (twelve years ago) link
6/10/7
― Y.O. Mini (MarkG oo la showaddywaddy), Friday, 16 December 2011 15:07 (twelve years ago) link
Wait so what's the argument other than it's no longer necessary?
― ᶘ ᵒᴥᵒᶅ (~curious orange~), Friday, December 16, 2011 12:07 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Permalink
what it is is:
in typesetting, after a full stop (a full stop that ends a sentence - this does not apply to e.g. the full stops in e.g.) you have a slightly longer space than usual - an em-space. When the typewriter came in, using fixed-width type (i.e. type in which every character is one em wide), people evoked the longer-than-a-usual-space aspect of an em-space by using two spaces rather than one, the same way that people sometimes mimic an em-dash by using a double dash thus: --.
Using a variable-fixed font, the full stop crowds close to the word it follows, giving the impression that there is an em-space following the sentence-final full stop. Some word processors may even impose an em-space after a sentence-ending full-stop in the same way that they impose a capital letter.
They are thus both approximations toward the typographical norm but at present the one-space approximation is more close an approximation.
― c sharp major, Friday, 16 December 2011 15:09 (twelve years ago) link
From the unofficial Typographic 'bible'" The Elements of Typographic Style by Robert Bringhurst he has the following to say:
“In the nineteenth century, which was a dark and inflationary age in typography and type design, many compositors were encouraged to stuff extra space between sentences. Generations of twentieth century typists were then taught to do the same, by hitting the spacebar twice after every period [full stop]. Your typing as well as your typesetting will benefit from unlearning this quaint Victorian habit. As a general rule, no more than a single space is required after a period, colon or any other mark of punctuation.”
― Chewshabadoo, Friday, 16 December 2011 16:16 (twelve years ago) link
Sorry for my as usual unchecked first sentence!! I'm sure people more concerned at proof-reading that typography will be hating me as much as using 2 spaces annoys me.
― Chewshabadoo, Friday, 16 December 2011 16:17 (twelve years ago) link
He goes on to say:
"Larger spaces (e.g. en spaces) are themselves punctuation.
The rule is sometimes altered, however, when setting classical Latin and Greek, romanized Sanskrit, phonetics or other kinds of texts in which sentences begin with lowercase letters. In the absence of a capital, a full en space between sentences may be welcome.
― Chewshabadoo, Friday, 16 December 2011 16:21 (twelve years ago) link
"quaint Victorian habit"? lol I am a steampunk!
― clay/tone herbskirt nut/mother, Friday, 16 December 2011 16:24 (twelve years ago) link
I was taught to use two spaces, which I did up until a couple years ago when I successfully started using only one.
However, this thread is seriously making me think about switching back to two.
― well in (advance johnson), Friday, 16 December 2011 16:32 (twelve years ago) link
Knock yourself out, if I ever have to set your copy I know how find and replace works.
― Chewshabadoo, Friday, 16 December 2011 16:35 (twelve years ago) link
FIND: ". "REPLACE: "big fat hairy penis"
― Fozzielad, Friday, 16 December 2011 16:59 (twelve years ago) link
These arguments all boil down to "let us not forsake the gods of our fathers" vs. "god is dead, you silly geese".
― Aimless, Friday, 16 December 2011 17:00 (twelve years ago) link
When learning to write with a pen(cil) while in very early years at school, I remember vaguely being taught one finger width after a comma, two after a full stop. Not with typing though.
― Banned socks (Osoby), Friday, 16 December 2011 17:04 (twelve years ago) link
That's all very well, but what if you are an elephant?
― Y.O. Mini (MarkG oo la showaddywaddy), Friday, 16 December 2011 17:06 (twelve years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.
― System, Friday, 30 December 2011 00:01 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFpsDAL4oKE
― another suggestbanite (rusty flathead screwdriver), Friday, 30 December 2011 00:14 (twelve years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― System, Saturday, 31 December 2011 00:01 (twelve years ago) link
Poll ResultsOption Votes1 762 12
About what I expected.
I use 1 space. In typing class we were taught 2 spaces (1991, on typewriters) and I kept doing it until ~2005 when I was SCHOCKED to learn that the rationale behind 2 spaces didn't apply to most typing on a computer.
It was not difficult at all to retrain myself, though the double-tap on the space bar did feel really satisfying.
― Sandbox Jesse, Saturday, 31 December 2011 16:35 (twelve years ago) link
Double-tapping two-space trogs is equally satisfying, imo.
― IEEE (Leee), Sunday, 1 January 2012 19:42 (twelve years ago) link
I am thinking this poll solves nothing. nothing. the bleak futility of it rises up and threatens to engulf me.
― Aimless, Sunday, 1 January 2012 19:58 (twelve years ago) link
i just got an iphone and i'm worried the period trick is gonna bring back some old habits
― k3vin k., Sunday, 1 January 2012 20:06 (twelve years ago) link