rolling rap thread

http://www.cocaineblunts.com/blunts/?p=6908

lot of shit i haven't heard or don't remember, but fuck outta here with mean mugging drake and having your top 3 be a vanilla/chocolate/strawberry softserve twist like that

n in paris isn't really 'soft serve'

ball so soft motherfuckers wanna cuddle w me

i still don't even know how something like that happens, how they decided making that song was a good idea, how they picked it as a single, how it became one of the biggest songs of the year. like it's not terrible but there's not a single thing about it that makes me think ok i see how it blew up.

Am I stupid for kind of liking Ninja's verse on this?

http://vimeo.com/31730747

i still don't even know how something like that happens, how they decided making that song was a good idea, how they picked it as a single, how it became one of the biggest songs of the year. like it's not terrible but there's not a single thing about it that makes me think ok i see how it blew up.

― some dude (Mr. Stevenson #2), Thursday, December 15, 2011 9:41 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink

the beat is really really catchy. so is the hook. i don't love the song & it wont make my lists but idk it makes sense to me

"All my fucking life I lived a normal fucking life"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K075VpKzGbA

Like I know he's being all "lol hard rapping" but there's something kind of tight about his flow.

sorry, vimeo link has video, youtube does not. Also sounds better on vimeo.

but i mean were people really listening to the watch the throne album for the first time going yo that MEET ME IN THE BATHROOM STAWWWW song with the lol industrial drum machine fart breakdown, that's the joint? that would really surprise me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMklHRKpxl8

dame grease found his own white rapper o_O

ya that noz top 3 is retarded

feel like i barely paid attention to rap all year & yet ive heard a lot of those, obv mostly from having been posted itt. best juicy j song

smoke that bitch >>> imo

i don't really keep up with noz that much but that top 3 seems really out of character

not really, big charting crossover singles always top the list. this is either an exceptionally bad year for those & hes being stubborn or he likes some rap songs i consider to be awful. i guess you could argue either side

1. Rick Ross f/ Styles P – “BMF” (Def Jam)
2. Kanye West f/ Nicki Minaj & Others – “Monster” (Def Jam)
5. Waka Flocka Flame f/ Roscoe Dash & Wale – “No Hands” (Brick Squad/Asylum)
1. Lil Wayne – “A Milli” (Cash Money/Universal)*
1. UGK f/ Outkast – “International Players Anthem“* (Jive)
1. TI – “What You Know” (Atlantic/Grand Hustle)
1. Gucci Mane – “Wasted”

'n____s in paris' is not very good at all

all of those are varying degrees of amazing though

xp

i don't dislike "niggas in paris at all" but c'mon at least have the decency to pinpoint the t.i. remix

no one cares abt the t.i. remix though. its just the original that's a big cultural moment, which is what that reflects

the weirdest one to me on his list is the wiz khalifa, which is almost aggressively lame to me, and i don't really get pac div

i do think, considering the % of disconnected euros (no offense to ilx euros) who might think that, say, G-Side were as big a deal as "Spend It" by 2 Chainz, I get where he's coming from when he rallies around a few major touchpoint rap singles from the year. (although the "I'm On One" omission is pretty absurd)

oh my god your personal EOY list is not meant to be about "big cultural moments". what is this obsession with liking stuff other people like?

why even bother having your own taste? just do a list of that year's nig cultural moments. they were ~important~!

*big

rallying around bad hip hop singles for the sake of rallying around something is stupid tho. i disagree w lex & i'm sympathetic to the idea of putting something with wide appeal in the top position in theory but if you can't actually find a good song youre just halfheartedly fulfilling some dumb obligation to shit songs that dont deserve it

the thing is it shouldn't even be an either/or. when you have a song like "what you know", sure the fact that it becomes a wider cultural thing and provides those amazing communal moments that the best pop does enhances it, but it's because it's already undeniably amazing. first time i heard it i was obsessed with it, way before i knew it was gonna become a cultural thing.

so weird how everyone always says "g-side has loads of euro fans"?? is this even true?

is 'in paris' really a big cultural moment?

like if i was gonna defend "what you know" i wouldn't NEED to fall back to the "it's popular" defence because there's so much amazing about the music already - that's not the starting point, that's something that gets added on.

"super bass" is kinda equivalent this year for me, but i know some of you don't really feel it, and if you only think it's a 7/10 or whatever i don't see why you should force yourself to rank it higher.

u make forming lists sound like some soul-searching pure honest expression of taste tho like its arguably not even normal to care about music in that way--its not like when u hear a song you love youre like "now THIS is the number one hip hop single of 2011"

um, i do think noz likes all the songs on his list, and i never claimed otherwise.

oh my god your personal EOY list is not meant to be about "big cultural moments". what is this obsession with liking stuff other people like?

― degas-dirty monet (lex pretend), Friday, December 16, 2011 3:48 AM (26 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink

why even bother having your own taste? just do a list of that year's nig cultural moments. they were ~important~!

― degas-dirty monet (lex pretend), Friday, December 16, 2011 3:49 AM (25 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink

you need to recognize context; for example, there's a movement in record collecting known as 'random rap' which is a bunch of dudes who collect late 80s hip-hop that make compilations & highlight "lost classics" that are in reality just watered down versions of stuff actually-popular artists had already done. It starts to impact people's perceptions of history. I think that a critic does have some *responsibility* to not pretend that his 'taste' exists in a vacuum wherein he can just completely ignore the popularity of artists. That doesn't mean always liking them! like, there are many very popular rap songs that didn't make noz's list

i just meant that I think that because for him & many other people writing about rap in the states theres a social element to be considered, and that while some of us might spend a lot more time hunting music online, entirely ignoring the social pathways by which ppl come in contact with v. popular artists is ignoring the artists that are most likely to have large influence on future generations of artists, etc

otm

"nig cultural moments" is the typo of the year

cultural moments in paris

lol

the beat is really really catchy. so is the hook. i don't love the song & it wont make my lists but idk it makes sense to me

― joey joe joe junior shabadoo, Thursday, December 15, 2011 9:48 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Permalink

this is totes otm

"bah so hard"/"that shit cray" is the good hook? ok...

btw just remembered that coicidentally song starts off with will ferrell saying "we're gonna skate to one song and one song only", which makes my http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/2/rap_roller.jpg comparison even more perfect

eh. nbombs in paris was a big track this year, and its success had a genuinely organic feel (I think moreso than "Otis" but this is entirely perception). Paris was up w/ racks & tony montana & i'm on one, one of those joints that just takes on a life of its own

i think i said to someone the other day that its kind of cute how excited kanye & jay are to have a legitimate hit

i mean lord knows they spent bank to find one, and the credit goes to hit boy, but still

excited enough to play it upwards of ten times in their recent shows

it's a legit hit? lol

i mean you should remember from a UK perspective there just aren't any "cultural moments" around hip-hop in the chart popularity sense. off WTT, "otis" got to no 28, and the beyoncé song spent a week in the chart, at no 48

i haven't heard ANY of it in the wild, so to speak

so don't you think its useful that Noz's list might seem informed by the way people are receiving it here?

i know we all agree about this so this kind of seems like a challop, but doesnt the black hippy crew (kendrick, schoolboy q, ab soul, jay rock) deserve like 90x the acclaim of odd future, when it comes down to it? what are sales figs like on tyler v. kendrick? why are the press so obsessed with the former but ignored the latter for a long time (& while they now follow kendrick, they treat him like a solo star & the trickle-down effect to schoolboy etc. is happening much more slowly than it did for i.e. mellowhype)

i compare them because they're both crews with breakout stars from LA, and black hippy are just better rappers period

Black Hippy don't really have a hook like Odd Future (being "young", controversial lyrics etc.) did i guess?

but black hippy are young! they don't have the controversial lyrics but thats a plus. they also have better songs

That's why i put young in quotes. The youth aspect of Odd Future was exaggerated cos Earl was 16 but it was definitely a major thing in most of the initial coverage of Odd Future. I agree about Black Hippy being better btw

If you haven't heard Ab-Soul's tape you should. It's of a similar level of quality to Setbacks