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Good start then

I think so :-)

JB, we had already been talking on the phone a lot over the past week or so, so we knew enough about each other already to have a fair amount to talk about. But that only works with a few people, I think.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 30 November 2006 10:55 (seventeen years ago) link

I guess it's easier on the phone, but when the only contact you have is email+txting then it gets tricky. It's different meeting at FAPs or whatever cos there's no pressure. When you meet people IRL that you just kinda fancy based on their pic and a few paragraphs, and visa versa, then the pressure to have fun and get on seems to be magnified.

That's the thing I forogt abotu dating - the pressure to have fun and be likeable/witty/etc. I'm an easy going guy, I don't need pressure!

Johnney B has zeros off the line (stigoftdumpilx), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:02 (seventeen years ago) link

And yay to crushes and good gigs! (And I'm envious of that badge)

Johnney B has zeros off the line (stigoftdumpilx), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:06 (seventeen years ago) link

The one-on-one thing definitely adds pressure. A couple of weeks ago I was at a cocktail party sort of thing with a bunch of colleagues. One woman some how ended up standing all alone and she came over and sat down on the couch next to me (also alone). "Aha! I thought she wants to talk to someone." I got out about two sentences and got about two syllables from her, and then she got up and went to stand by herself again.

Pretty much shot the rest of the evening for me - burned in shame for about 30 minutes and then left.

substitute, mitya for him (mitya), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:07 (seventeen years ago) link

I googled "talk about on dates" on got this:

http://www.replieswanted.com/things-to-talk-about-on-a-date.htm

which all seems far too clinical for me, but I guess I'm after a clinical solution, so maybe I do need to go down the NLP route.

Johnney B has zeros off the line (stigoftdumpilx), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:14 (seventeen years ago) link

She said a very nice thing early on in the date. We were just sitting down in the restaurant, looking at the menus, and it all felt very awkward. She said: "Just think, in six months time we'll be sitting down in a restaurant and just ordering what we want, and it will just be ordinary. This is as awkward as it's ever going to be - from now on it's only going to get easier."

She had threatened to bring a crib sheet of conversational topics for me!

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:15 (seventeen years ago) link

Aaaah, very sweet. If a little pushy. ;)

Johnney B has zeros off the line (stigoftdumpilx), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:17 (seventeen years ago) link

I forgot about the badge, I have a badge it is so cool.

Ed (dali), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:18 (seventeen years ago) link

I've just sent an incomprehensible message to PBW which has probably made the situation worse.

But it's like... the only feeling in the world that actually means anything to me, is that sense of getting onstage and putting in a performance where you *REALLY FEEL IT*. That's better than sex, it's better than love, it's better than drugs, it's better than anything.

I have been phoning it in with this band for so long, going through the motions, wondering why I do it. And suddenly, last night, as I looked out in the audience and saw his face, it's like every stupid, trite cliche in the songs suddenly meant something again. I think that's what made the gig so good, and yeah, it was something special last night.

I don't get to have relationships or any of that crap, but this is what I *do* get - the ability to write songs and perform them. This is the only thing that has ever meant anything to me.

And it's like, he gave me that back last night.

How do you say that to someone, without sounding like a complete mentalist? I think I was talking drunken bollocks about him being my muse or something. But it's like... "I look at you, and I hear music!" How can you put something like that into words? Just hope a fellow musician understands?

It's not sexual, it's not like wanting to get with him or anything like that. I feel kinda like an emotional vampire, because I just want him to tell me stories about his life and put them to music.

masonic boom (kate), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:21 (seventeen years ago) link

See, all this is a good thing, but don't tell him all that - even if you don't mean it in a creepy way, it WILL come out as creepy. Am I the only one who thinks it might be an idea to keep this under your hat?

Johnney B has zeros off the line (stigoftdumpilx), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:26 (seventeen years ago) link

Or am I too late? ;)

Johnney B has zeros off the line (stigoftdumpilx), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:30 (seventeen years ago) link

Too late. I told him a rather simplified version of paragraphs 2 and 3.

masonic boom (kate), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:30 (seventeen years ago) link

I am stupid and selfish, but I love feeling like this.

masonic boom (kate), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:35 (seventeen years ago) link

I hope he takes it in the right way, Kate, because you're not a creepy person.

In other news, tonight, I am going on a photoshoot. As one of the models.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:36 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh, I am a creepy person, but just not particularly dangerous. I may be as mad as a box of frogs, but I'm harmless. Mostly.

Having ones photo taken is awful. I hope it's not too terrible. ;-)

masonic boom (kate), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:37 (seventeen years ago) link

http://shop.rpg.net/images/Mini/RPR02764.jpg
Forest Pines, today.

Sir Gregory of St.Kitts (g-kit), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:39 (seventeen years ago) link

I can't see the stupid/selfish thing here, somebody is making you feel good, which is . . . well, good. That's hardly selfish.

You're going modelling? Do report back with stories about prima donnas. I wouldn't mind trying that kind of thing, but I don't think my ego would be able to take it. And besides, my eyes invariably turn out like the eyes of a killer (see my MSF photo).

Johnney B has zeros off the line (stigoftdumpilx), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:40 (seventeen years ago) link

Check out the creepy comment about Emsk on my flickr before I delete it.

Ed (dali), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:42 (seventeen years ago) link

OK, that is creepy.

masonic boom (kate), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:42 (seventeen years ago) link

I think I'd really enjoy having my photo taken all day.

Sir Gregory of St.Kitts (g-kit), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:48 (seventeen years ago) link

Actually, I have just reread the email, and I don't think it's that creepy. I tried to be quite straightforward. But of course, now is the MySpace torture of whether he's read it, and whether he responds and... argh.

Fuck that. I'm happy for once, and I'm going to enjoy it. I'm in the best band in the world.

masonic boom (kate), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:53 (seventeen years ago) link

I will definitely be reporting back. I'm not sure the photos will be suitable for posting here, though.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:56 (seventeen years ago) link

Ow, this hurts. I can remember looking up at Nelson in Trafalgar Square last night and thinking "god, this hurts... but it's better than that awful NUMBNESS that I've been feeling for so long..."

Even pain can make you feel like you're alive, sometimes.

masonic boom (kate), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:57 (seventeen years ago) link

Wait, I'm in the best band in the world.

Sir Gregory of St.Kitts (g-kit), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:59 (seventeen years ago) link

That is, I'm told, the rationale behind a lot of self-harming.

(the other thing with both self-harming and masochism is that the normal response to physical pain gives you a kind of natural high - but also in some people a very bad comedown a day or two later)

((xpost))

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 30 November 2006 12:01 (seventeen years ago) link

I am breaking my Watercooler duck to apologise for the funny handshake bar. I am in extreme pain and I didn't even go into work today.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 30 November 2006 12:02 (seventeen years ago) link

What are you talking about? The funny handshake bar was GRATE!!! It was certainly better than my work bar which is where I took them before the funny handshake bar.

I suppose it's terrible, but the best thing about this is the sense of... *rightness*. I'm in love with a boy I barely know and can never have, and that's the way it should be.

masonic boom (kate), Thursday, 30 November 2006 12:05 (seventeen years ago) link

I have no idea what's going on right now. Did somebody tilt the world while I was asleep?

Sir Gregory of St.Kitts (g-kit), Thursday, 30 November 2006 12:06 (seventeen years ago) link

Brrrrr at creepy hair comments. That is SOME bright hair tho.

I wouldn't mind having my photo taken all day if I was just having my photo snapped to capture my day-to-day going ons, but I would imagine modelling being more hard work than that.

ha ha reminds me of that Black Books episode with the Greek photographer when Manny runs away. If there are any Japanese businessmen hanging round, run away quickly.

I'm not sure the photos will be suitable for posting here, though."

Oh, those kind of photos! Well, just pixilate anything unsavoury, I'm still intrigued!

I'm with you about the familiarity of being in love with someone you can't have being comforting. It's liek you were saying with depression being a cosy safety blanket you can wrap round yourself - endless crushes like that are exactly the same. And quite cool, in a way.

What KIND of funny handshake? Or would the bar stop being cool if you told the likes of ME?

Johnney B has zeros off the line (stigoftdumpilx), Thursday, 30 November 2006 12:08 (seventeen years ago) link

Who was I talking to, last night, about how it doesn't matter who you are, or what you do, it only matters what you look like?

Was that you, Gooblar? (Are you awake yet?)

I don't know. I'm still trying to work out whether I believe it or not. I'm not sure I was even talking about my plainness vs. the prettiness of the girl PBW went home with - or if I was talking about mine own shallowness (visual motivation? aesthetic motivation?)

PBW is totally right to be suspicious of my motivations - like he said, I don't know him, not at all. I've based my entire views of him on the observation that he *looks* like a bruised angel. It's all projection. But what things look like (sound like, the prettiness, aesthetically, of them) is really all that matters to me. As an artist, at least.

masonic boom (kate), Thursday, 30 November 2006 12:14 (seventeen years ago) link

And I'm selfish because, perhaps, maybe I don't actually *want* to know him. I just want to continue to project that bruised angel image on him.

masonic boom (kate), Thursday, 30 November 2006 12:16 (seventeen years ago) link

That was me (HI DERE). I still disagree with looks being preeminent, but I don't think that needs to conflict with an artist's fascination with aesthetics, etc.

It was truly a great gig last night, everything sounded (after the first song) all sparkly and right-on and together and world-conquering.

Not feeling too rough today, due to lots of water imbibement.

g0000blar (g00blar), Thursday, 30 November 2006 12:18 (seventeen years ago) link

i feel rough

Sir Gregory of St.Kitts (g-kit), Thursday, 30 November 2006 12:21 (seventeen years ago) link

I still can't see how preserving an image of someone is selfish. Seems better than trying to mould them into what your projecting in real life. And you know that as soon as you get to know him, he'll be anything BUT what you're projecting. I can't see the problem, myself.

Johnney B has zeros off the line (stigoftdumpilx), Thursday, 30 November 2006 12:23 (seventeen years ago) link

You're a smart person. I just kept hammering the double vodkas. But heh, at least I didn't fall asleep on the night bus and wake up in Essex like SOME of my bandmates.

But continuing on from the discussion last night, it is important, because it's about getting A Look and Working It. Which is sometimes more important than actually having the right bone structure.

I get upset because I cannot make my Self a work of art the way I've made everything else in my life (my flat, my songs) a work of art.

Oh, I don't know. I'll stop thinking about this, and go back to muddling along with my effects patches and Victorian novels.

masonic boom (kate), Thursday, 30 November 2006 12:25 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm getting a Wii for Christmas. What are you guys getting for Christmas?

Sir Gregory of St.Kitts (g-kit), Thursday, 30 November 2006 12:27 (seventeen years ago) link

I saw a Carlos Barat interview, someone (OK the NME) asked him if he'd best man Pete at the Wedding to Kate, he said sure, if asked.

Who'd get more excited, NME, Hello or Both the same?

M Grout (Mark Grout), Thursday, 30 November 2006 12:29 (seventeen years ago) link

But continuing on from the discussion last night, it is important, because it's about getting A Look and Working It. Which is sometimes more important than actually having the right bone structure.

Fixed.

I get upset because I cannot make my Self a work of art the way I've made everything else in my life (my flat, my songs) a work of art.

Ah, but you have! OK, so it may not be a work of art you're happy with at the moment, but that just means it's not finished yet, which is fine of course (whose is finished?).

(All of this is meant to be complimentary, but I'm worried it might not come off like that. My brane is broken.)

g0000blar (g00blar), Thursday, 30 November 2006 12:31 (seventeen years ago) link

x-post...

See, JB, that is the problem. I kinda want to hang onto that precious image of him, because I suspect *that* is my muse.

Problem is, the more you get to know someone, the harder it is to keep the mental image of them. Maybe he'd become someone to talk with down the pub about guitar pedals and why Country is good and Rock is good but Country Rock is BAD. But it's like... do I really *want* that, or do I want the Bruised Angel Muse?

This is why I don't want a relationship with him, or to sleep with him - or maybe even to hang out with him after gigs - because that kind of mental image doesn't survive such commonplace wear and tear.

masonic boom (kate), Thursday, 30 November 2006 12:31 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm gonna wait till February then get a wii - all depending on other people not saying that after the novelty wears off, it's actually shit. I'll be lucky getting a mug for christmas :(

Getting a Look is VERY important. Our self-esteem is based upon people thinking we're looking good, so making sure that box is ticked has to be a major plus. Unless your self-esteem is based on something not reliant on other people, in which case it's less of a priority.

(and since you know what you want out of the fella [just to be the container for a muse and nothing else] then I REALLY don't see the problem. Esp. if you don't want to rip his clothes off/ chat over a handshake/ talk about country rock pedals. When it gets to this stage it's like crushing on a celeb, which is certainly no bad thing.)

Johnney B has zeros off the line (stigoftdumpilx), Thursday, 30 November 2006 12:36 (seventeen years ago) link

Except maybe I do want to rip his clothes off/ chat over a handshake/ talk about country rock pedals. I don't actually know what I want any more.

I know that what I want is unrealistic and unattainable. But that doesn't stop me from wanting it.

I fucked up the Great Lost Love Of My Life over this bullshit. That my idea of Being In Love doesn't survive the daily mundane bullshit.

masonic boom (kate), Thursday, 30 November 2006 12:40 (seventeen years ago) link

I want to Be In Love. With a boy, with a bruised angel, with The World, like Maggie Tulliver was afraid of.

masonic boom (kate), Thursday, 30 November 2006 12:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh, who am I kidding? I know I'm not actually ever going to get what I want, so I pretend like I don't want it.

And then turn it into something pretty, and call that justification.

masonic boom (kate), Thursday, 30 November 2006 12:46 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm having an 80s Movie Night Tonight. We're going to watch Weekend At Bernie's. Underrated classic.

Sir Gregory of St.Kitts (g-kit), Thursday, 30 November 2006 12:48 (seventeen years ago) link

Our self-esteem is based upon people thinking we're looking good

Eh, speak for yourself there, man.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 30 November 2006 12:49 (seventeen years ago) link

That would also have worked well as a direct reply :)

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 30 November 2006 12:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Of course what I *want* is to fall in love and spend half our time in bed and the other half of the time in the studio, writing beautiful ballads together like Emmylou and Gram.

But I'm not gonna get that. I'm gonna get snatched awkward conversations in the pub when there's no one more interesting for him to get in his urgent drunken conversations with, and watch him chatting up girls that are doing the same things I was doing 10, 15 years ago.

So I'd rather have nothing except an empty vessel, to fill up with my dreams and inspirations. Because that's what I get, oh-oh-oh, that's what I get.

masonic boom (kate), Thursday, 30 November 2006 12:56 (seventeen years ago) link

plz 2 have admin

Sir Gregory of St.Kitts (g-kit), Thursday, 30 November 2006 12:58 (seventeen years ago) link

OH, why do I do this? I've thought myself unhappy, when this morning I was spinning joy and happiness and glowing with crush.

masonic boom (kate), Thursday, 30 November 2006 13:02 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.erbsvillekartway.on.ca/56inches.jpg
Sorry, but you need to be at least THIS TALL to be acknowledged on this thread.

Sir Gregory of St.Kitts (g-kit), Thursday, 30 November 2006 13:04 (seventeen years ago) link


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