sandbox pauline kael and 70s lookback book club thread

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Surely you would agree that you're in the minority in thinking that her '80s writing is the equal of her '70s (or earlier) writing.

clemenza, Thursday, 15 December 2011 17:25 (twelve years ago) link

I don't know! Like I wrote, we all agree Hollywood film wasn't as exciting in the eighties, but I can't remember anybody arguing that Kael's prose suffered a commensurate decline.

Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 15 December 2011 17:28 (twelve years ago) link

I guess I just have a hard time completely detaching the writing from the films themselves. I mean, obviously she didn't stop being a great writer--I'm not trying to say that. But for most of the eighties, I'm not as excited by her reviews of (say) Prizzi's Honor or Enemies: A Love Story or My Beautiful Laundrette as I am by those of Godfather II or Nashville or Invasion of the Body Snatchers because the films don't mean nearly as much to me. Now and again--Casualties of War would be the best example for me--we're back in sync. This is why comments of Kellow's like the Prizzi's Honor one above didn't bother me. I didn't even notice.

clemenza, Thursday, 15 December 2011 18:52 (twelve years ago) link

Saw Chinatown yesterday at the Lightbox, introduced by Adam Nayman, a local critic. The two endings--Towne's vs. Polanski's--came up, and reference was made to Kael's review. This is one time where I think she was completely wrong: her contention that Towne's ending, where Cross gets away with it but Evelyn leaves town, would have been better. Polanski's ending to me is perfect--and I agree with Nayman that it's not Polanski's "gargoyle grin" asserting itself, but rather a very anguished expression of his guilt over Sharon Tate's murder. (Supposedly he always felt guilty for not being there the night of the murder.)

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/arts/movies/brushing-up-on-roman-polanskis-downbeat-endings/article2271445/print/

clemenza, Monday, 19 December 2011 22:30 (twelve years ago) link

funnily enough, I vividly remember Kael writing approvingly that Jack's dopey hitman in Prizzi's Honor played like a cross between Ralph Kramden and Ed Norton.

Of course, I prefer Prizzi's Honor to the first Godfather film.

Dr Morbius, Monday, 19 December 2011 23:04 (twelve years ago) link

thx for reminding me that I need to see Prizzi's Honor

aesthetic partisan (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 19 December 2011 23:09 (twelve years ago) link

Huston had to explain to a flummoxed Nicholson that it's a comedy.

Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 19 December 2011 23:11 (twelve years ago) link

Something else came up yesterday that I'd never thought about, and I've probably seen Chinatown 15-20 times: Huston saying to Nicholson "Are you sleeping with my daughter" at a time when in real life he was.

clemenza, Monday, 19 December 2011 23:21 (twelve years ago) link

Huston supposedly said of P'sH, "Jack, everything you've done is infused with intelligence, and we can't have any of that here."

Dr Morbius, Monday, 19 December 2011 23:24 (twelve years ago) link


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