Magazine/website/record store BEST OF 2011 end-of-year list pile-up

I was agreeing with you tpp

ah sorry - having a bit of a bad day

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyS9kU4F9x4

:-) love that song

Machine Head will be Dom Lawson's number one I guess. Good to see him writing for the Graun. About time they had a dedicated metal writer.

That's cool. He used to write for Kerrang didn't he? and now Metal Hammer

btw as an aside doran, as you know I've been really critical of Metal Hammer in the past, but ive bought the last 2 issues (yeah im a sucker for lists) but they are covering some of the bands I like and its not bad, even if really expensive £4.75!!!! It's not as good as Terrorizer or ZT or Rock-A-Rolla for me but might pick it up again if there's someone i really like in it. Enjoyed the Subterranea section, wish the whole mag was like it though! and again it's nice to read a magazine with loads of reviews.

also it's first time since 2008 that hawtin/villalobos haven't taken the top 2 places of the RA DJ chart

*sigh*

To all the rockist complainers why don't you just accept that rock music is creatively dead and The Guardian writers are acknowledging that also proving they are not luddite old farts stuck in the past of rocks history like the great majority of posters here.
The only way this list could be ruined would be if a metal album was number 1. And I'd hope Guardian writers would have more taste than liking the whitest anti-minorities music of all time. Funny how black metal is played and listened to by exclusively white men. Metal is very much a whites only club so all of you whinging that there is no Mastodong, Wolves In The Bathroom or Shiturgy should go read kerrap or terrorizer with the other spotty oiks in their midlands estates.
I just wish Katy B or Beyonce had been number 1 to see all your collective heads explode.

if that guy is typical of the commentors on the site then fuck them

i might use wolves in the bathroom as a d/n though

Fair enough about 'lady gag'. Im not trying to be hipster. i just find her whole persona so empty and her songs more-so. I think for reading articles linked under culture in one of the most popular newspapers in the world we can do better.

I try to read this site so maybe i can find something inspiring that relates to my life, but with gaga its just insipid i find..there is nothing there.

Btw i dont hate pop music. Blondie are my favorite band, i just cant stand meaningless bland over-hyped pop, which i find gaga to be.

'all songs considered' listeners taking a stand

1. Bon Iver: Bon Iver

2. Fleet Foxes: Helplessness Blues

3. Adele: 21

4. The Decemberists: The King Is Dead

5. Radiohead: The King Of Limbs

6. Black Keys: El Camino

7. Wilco: The Whole Love

8. Florence + the Machine: Ceremonials

9. Beirut: The Rip Tide

10. Foster The People: Torches

11. M83: Hurry Up, We’re Dreaming

12. Feist: Metals

13. Iron & Wine: Kiss Each Other Clean

14. tUnE-yArDs: w h o k i l l

15. St. Vincent: Strange Mercy

16. The Civil Wars: Barton Hollow

17. Death Cab for Cutie: Codes And Keys

18. Tom Waits: Bad As Me

19. My Morning Jacket: Circuital

20. Bright Eyes: The People’s Key

21. Jay-Z and Kanye West: Watch The Throne

22. Coldplay: Mylo Xyloto

23. PJ Harvey: Let England Shake

24. Cults: Cults

25. James Blake: James Blake

Mastodong, Wolves In The Bathroom or Shiturgy

quite funneh actually.

forgot death cab even put out an album this year

i wouldnt go that far dog latin.

I think there are now plenty of indie/rock kids out there who are ready and willing to diversify and explore other styles, but for whom diving straight into the deep end of r'n'b is just a little outside their comfort zones. When an artist is presented in the way of Frank Ocean, it doesn't feel like such a leap and hopefully this will lead to further exploration: "Well I can deal with Frank Ocean, how about The-Dream" and onwards...

way late to this but sort of can't believe this kind of strawmanning still goes on. people are not genre partisans anymore, by and large. (except maybe rap and metalheads I guess lol)

it's really more that there are people who are genre partisans and people who aren't, regardless of genre

there are people who like to think they're not genre partisans (and genre isn't quite the right word tbh)

what is the right word

"aesthetic"? idk i'm multitasking right now

challops partisans

EVERYONE is an aesthetic partisan* though

Oh, I'm probably an aesthetic partisan - not that I like solely a single aesthetic, but that I can quite clearly partition 'my' aesthetics and 'not-my' aesthetics. But that has nothing to do with genre at all.

^ likes pizza aesthetics

Yeah, emil.y makes complete sense - that I think most ppl do have overt or otherwise aesthetic preferences which slot into distinct patterns, though whether that dovetails neatly with "genre" is another kettle of fish.

Fotherington T what did you mean by

This is where JR and I have ~differences~ but I am really uncomfortable with the way that "Metal" has been raised to that position of automatic rockist privilege that "Indie" used to occupy 20 years ago, now that "Indie" has become completely mainstream.

^ likes pizza aesthetics

― Minga Frump (Jimmy Riddle), Thursday, December 15, 2011 4:37 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink

aesthetic paisan

aesthetic parmesan

agree with the whole "aesthetics" thing, but really:

way late to this but sort of can't believe this kind of strawmanning still goes on. people are not genre partisans anymore, by and large. (except maybe rap and metalheads I guess lol)

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 15 December 2011 16:26 (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink

you're seriously telling me you never meet people any more who say they hate "all rap" or glorify rock music because "it's more real" or whatever? this is diminishing, which is what i was saying upthread, but it hasn't gone away.

I don't really want to get into it, JR, because this is not the place, and I probably shouldn't have brought it up if it was a challop I was not prepared to get into an argument of. But a lot of the dialogues that I see happening around "Metal" these days just remind me uncomfortably of the discussions around "Alternative" and "Punk" and whathaveyou back in the late 80s and early 90s, in terms of insider/outsider positioning and authenticity narratives.

But I am running on way too little sleep at the moment to pad it out into any cogent argument, so I'd really rather not.

ou're seriously telling me you never meet people any more who say they hate "all rap"

More common for me to meet people who like "all music except country."

you're seriously telling me you never meet people any more who say they hate "all rap" or glorify rock music because "it's more real" or whatever? this is diminishing, which is what i was saying upthread, but it hasn't gone away.

I literally cannot remember the last time anyone said this kind of thing to me. maybe in the 90s in lol college. certainly none of the kids I know talk this way.

you're seriously telling me you never meet people any more who say they hate "all rap" or glorify rock music because "it's more real" or whatever? this is diminishing, which is what i was saying upthread, but it hasn't gone away.

The 'i like everything except rap/metal/country/reggae/rave shite/opera/punk/modern rnb that isnt like the yardbirds' brigade have not gone away. They exist and sadly get younger every year.

modern rnb that isnt like the yardbirds

lol

the late 90s was really bad in the uk for "real music" type shite. dont forget 'classic songwriting' either. *shudders*

shakey you have no idea how many people still say " proper rnb is like 60s bands like the yardbirds or the who and not this modern shite"

Ha, I used to spout that kind of nonsense once upon a time, back in the mists of time. And then I grew up, phew, that was easy.

okay no one says "proper RnB sounds like The Who", at least not in the US

and funnily enough Dan I'm not in the US!

(Though TBH I'd have been more likely to say that R&B was stuff like The Supremes and the Ronettes and not that modern stuff they play on the radio. It's like talking to an alien, sometimes, the stuff I believed when I was younger.)

They exist and sadly get younger every year.

plural of anecdote is not data etc. but no one in the under 25-brigade that I know (which is maybe a dozen people or so) def don't espouse these attitudes. music is just EVERYWHERE to them, and as such they may have favorite artists but they don't have super-strong genre opinions - firm aesthetic divisions don't exist for them, there's just too much music around for them to even bother taking the time to establish personal aesthetic politics. I can play them whatever and they just think "eh yeah that's allright." they're more blase than anything else.

xp

Maybe you guys have a boogie rock equivalent?

xps

shakey you have no idea how many people still say " proper rnb is like 60s bands like the yardbirds or the who and not this modern shite"

this literally does not happen in the US. I can count on one hand the number of people I know who believe this and they are both 45+ old hipster geezers that are not representative of anything, they are total oddballs and they know it.

also yeah lol at calling the Who or the Yardbirds rnb gtfo

Though TBH I'd have been more likely to say that R&B was stuff like The Supremes and the Ronettes and not that modern stuff they play on the radio.

it's more likely/common that people would say they like that "classic" r&b stuff like Adele and not that weirdass obscure-o shit like the Dream!

but no one in the under 25-brigade that I know (which is maybe a dozen people or so) def don't espouses these attitudes.

urgh double negatives. fixed.

i think it's easy to get a warped sense of perspective, when speaking to relatively open-minded people on ILM, that the majority of people are very much open to pop, hip-hop, metal, dance and modern r'n'b that isn't the Yardbirds - but I think really you don't need to go too far outside the confines of this board to meet plenty of people who talk about "proper rock" and things. Just look at that Guardian Comments section for a start.

that guardian comments section is horrible , dog latin. PilkingtonsMagpie seems a not very nice guy for a start.

The comments ive read the past few days in that section have been race obsessed. Is it always like that? (yeah yeah welcome to the internet)

internet comments sections? really?

I'm talking about actual living breathing people I know and see on a regular basis, who don't know anything about ILM and tend not to have strong opinions about music. which is the vast majority of the music-listening and purchasing public.

xp

i dont like katy b but i approve of its placing just to annoy these people tbh

xp

fwiw one of my fave R&B albums of 2011 sometimes kinda sounds like '60s Who and Yardbirds:

http://thehurstreview.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/stonerollin.jpg

^^^ I was gonna say